Jes Ascanius Radiant collector

[Coastie]

Hi all!

I have a relatively high attitude house in the mountains (600m above sea level), and it's mostly dry through all the year. Plus, there's a small stream flowing nearby which I could use to moisturize ground for better earth contact.

Considering all I've read so far, I have a very good site to start experimenting with Jes' circuit. Getting components or assembling a PCB (even SMD!) is not a problem. But before I plunge into the netherworld, here are my doubtful questions:

- use plate as antenna, according to Jes Ascari's original plan, or
- use bi-fillar coil, as Tesla_ReGen advised

Is it really important to use solid wire from antenna, or a stranded can also be used? Maybe because the specifics of telluric currents require to use a solid cooper.

What about multiple grounds? Can you use a similar circuit connected between 2 distant ground points (instead of ground-antenna)..? Something like an extremely simplified Kapanadze generator.

Lastly, can an underground well/water deposit be used as a better ground point?

Greetings from Serbia

I also live in a high elevation.
On my second experiment I used a Satellite dish on a board as an insulator and it was set up horizontally. I used #6 stranded wire and the antenna was 15 feet high.
My ground is 8 feet in the earth. When I hooked another earth ground that was 50 feet to the aerial I got 6 volts.

[m00ny]

I was able to generate 10v in 30mins using the following circuit based on the original Tesla Radiant Energy patent:

Hi Kregus,
could you please tell something about the current at 10V ie.? And is the power endless the same or changing?

It is notable, that there is a voltage, so there must also be a (small?) current. But the power is interesting: voltage * current

[thx1138]

Dielectric properties of insulation

Insulate the Aluminum plate. I used wood.

The dielectric properties of the insulation you use will affect the outcome. You want an insulation with a high dielectric constant. That determines the insulation's ability to separate the positive and negative charges. You also want a low dissipation factor. That relates to how much energy is lost by conversion to heat in the dielectric. These factors can have a marked influence on your device. I used polystyrene sheets (not foam) and got a very good improvement. Do you know what kind of insulation is on the satellite dish?

An added benefit from the insulation is that the air around any points or corners on the plate will prevent those points or corners from ionizing the air near them which will help prevent lightning strikes. It is that ionization on the point of a Franklin style lightning rod that actually makes it easier for the lightning to strike the rod rather than the structure it is protecting. So completely insulating the elevated plate makes it much less likely that it will be struck by lightning. Your wood would do that but it wouldn't have the other beneficial dielectric proeprties.

I also live in a high elevation.

Would you mind revealing your elevation above sea level. I wanted to test at a relative's place last summer that was at 7000 feet but they sold the property and moved.

Also note the post above about the 1N34 diodes being photoelectric. Were your diodes in the sun light outside, inside the house with the lights turned on or lighted by light through a window, or placed in an enclosure to block the light from them? I think exposure to sunlight at high elevation would cause a stronger photoelectric effect from the 1N34 germanium diodes. I know it's easier to get a sunburn at higher elevations.

[thx1138]

Tomorrow

If you have one of these systems up and are able to, be sure to get readings beginning 2014-01-09 07:00 GMT through 2014-01-10 15:00 GMT.

It looks like there is a whopper of a solar flare coming - both high density and high speed.
Solar Wind Prediction

Usually higher density has lower speeds but this one is projected to be both high speed and high density. With the normal high density/low speed ones the voltage readings go down. I don't have a clue what will happen tomorrow and I'm not able to get readings.

With the high density area between the sun and earth right now I would expect the readings to be lower than normal.

[tgraca]

Alexkor Tesla Moray Aerial Systems

Tesla ReGen or anyone else - I am wondering if you tried The “Alexkor” Aerial System. It is similar to many other Aerial systems I have reviewed, but has minimal height in the Aerial - just 2 meters (6.6') - but 60 meters long (197'). At a minimum it is supposed to generate Generate 1.5V to 6V with an aerial wire 0.5 mm in diameter, and of course insulated from it’s supports (as usual).



I didn't have any way to get a single long Aerial, so I set it up with 8 winds over 8 meters each (26.5') and 2.2 meters off the ground, but am using a much thicker wire - 17 gauge (1.15mm), so I was expecting at least 6 volts, but got only 0.003 volts.



I tested the standard ground connection, which was good (house ground). The test was volt meter connected between the Aerial and the ground. The only possible issue I can think of is that I used aluminum wire. If the issue is having a single long strand, I am not seeing that with other systems I have reviewed. Any comments?

The graphic shows the specifics of the set up. All lines horizontal to the ground. Insulated with PVC - at least 2.5" from the wood mount. I would think PVC would be a good insulator. Wire not touching other wire - 1/2" to 5" at any given point - single strand of wire 212' long.

Note: I have second story an aluminum roof, which is about 16' off the ground and sloped (not horizontal). Tested in the same way, it gives 300-550 mV consistently. I may elevate the new Aerial and see if that helps, but am still wondering if anyone can provide some OTHER ideas. Maybe 7' (2.2) is just not high enough as Alexkor states.... Thanks!

[thx1138]

Caution!

Note: I have second story an aluminum roof, which is about 16' off the ground and sloped (not horizontal). Tested in the same way, it gives 300-550 mV consistently.

I would advise against using the roof. I imagine it is not insulated so what you are doing is making the roof a lightning rod. Any sharp points at cuts or corners will ionized the air around the point and give lightning an easier path to travel to your roof rather than somewhere - anywhere - else. Ditto the end of your elevated wire. Make sure the loose end is insulated from the air.

This is why you should not connect it to the grounding system of your home but run a separate ground for this system.

In general, the higher the antenna the better, the larger the antenna the better, and the larger and deeper the ground connection the better your results will be. Your environment also plays a major role in your results, i.e. height above sea level, humidity level. The higher the elevation the better and the lower the humidity the better. Read the previous posts.

[Fel]

Modules: Series VS Parallel

I constructed the circuit per the instruction on Patrick Kelly's page,
and I'm at the point where I must connect the modules together.

I have 12 modules, so far I have connected the aerial in parallel
and grounds in parallel. I'm at the point where I must choose to
eighter connect the modules in series ( more voltage )
or in parallel ( more amps ) I've hear from other users that they where
getting better results from connect modules in series.

I was wondering if the voltage has to be higher than the battery being charged,
or it does not matter because were dealing with another form of energy.
Or is there spikes in the voltage that a voltmeter can't detect?

I also was wondering if the circuit needs the battery bank in order to work,
as if it creates a "dipole" that is needed.

About the excitation of the aerial / ground, it is similar to Stan Deyo patent and the "TREK" described in the aerial chapter of PK's website.

You can also email me directly at: felaudet@gmail.com
Thank you.

All the best.

[thx1138]

I have 12 modules, so far I have connected the aerial in parallel and grounds in parallel. I'm at the point where I must choose to
eighter connect the modules in series ( more voltage ) or in parallel ( more amps ) I've hear from other users that they where getting better results from connect modules in series.

Try both for your own information.

I was wondering if the voltage has to be higher than the battery being charged, or it does not matter because were dealing with another form of energy.

Yes, the voltage needs to be higher than the battery you wish to charge. This is probably why Jes Ascanius was only charging a cell phone battery.

Or is there spikes in the voltage that a voltmeter can't detect?

I don't think this is normal but I have seen spikes. One night I was taking readings and since my elevated plate is covered in white polystyrene it reflects light quite well. While I was taking the reading a cloud to cloud lightning event some miles away occurred which lit up the elevated plate very brightly. The voltage I was reading jumped to 4 times the previous reading and then subsided back down to the previous reading over a number of seconds. I wasn't quite sure what I was seeing so I didn't get good measurements of how far away the lightning strike was or how long the pulse lasted. A little research did confirm that lightning emits X-rays and gamma rays as well as visible light and, as visible light doesn't really affect the readings from daylight to dark in that way, I've concluded that the surge was related to either those emissions or what is now being called "dark lightning" - all of which are radiant energy. Since the lightning strike was cloud-to-cloud I don't think the circuit ground played much role in the surge other than to give the energy collected in the elevated plate somewhere to go.
Scientists detect 'dark lightning' energy burst linked to visible lightning

One of the other things I've found is that the density of the solar wind has an inverse relationship to the readings - the higher the solar wind density, the lower the readings. It's like the mass in the solar wind is absorbing the energy before it gets to the earth. Kind of like a cloud passing between the sun and a photovoltaic solar panel.
Solar Wind Prediction

I also was wondering if the circuit needs the battery bank in order to work,
as if it creates a "dipole" that is needed.

Again, try it both ways for your own education.

About the excitation of the aerial / ground, it is similar to Stan Deyo patent and the "TREK" described in the aerial chapter of PK's website.

The Stan Deyo patent refers to parametric oscillation, not radiant energy. The TREK refers to radiant energy but I don't see how it could ever work as described because he is talking about coupling to the energy in the ionosphere through some mysterious ionized channel. If you think about that, the "ionized channel" is ionized matter and between the ground and the ionosphere is the jet stream that has winds of ~250 MPH. What will that jet stream do to his "ionized channel"?

Tesla's wireless transmission patent referred to maintaining balloons at 30,000 feet but that was not the radiant energy patent. It was the wireless transmission patent. At that time the jet stream was unknown so that would probably have failed. But he learned on July 4, 1899 at his Colorado Springs lab that he could also transmit through the ground. But again, this wasn't about radiant energy but transmission - two different things.

[Fel]

Thanks for the info

Do you wire your modules in series or parallel?

Have you tried to charge a battery with higher voltage than what you can read on the voltmeter from the modules? Again, I don't want to know why it wont work, I just want to know if you tried.

Thank you

[thx1138]

Do you wire your modules in series or parallel?

Have you tried to charge a battery with higher voltage than what you can read on the voltmeter from the modules? Again, I don't want to know why it wont work, I just want to know if you tried.

Thank you

I use parallel. The circuit is just a voltage multiplier. Series doesn't really make any sense. If you want to make a stronger voltage multiplier you'll need a different circuit. "Search voltage multiplier circuit".

Yes, I tried a higher voltage battery and saw no change in 24 hours. In fact, a tiny loss but that might have been to due to circuit losses and my environment, i.e. elevation, humidity, etc.

I also tried voltage biasing, i.e. hook up only the negative terminal to the ground or only the positive to the wire coming from the insulated, elevated plate but then you're just boosting one charge or the other and the biasing battery will eventually run down.

There's nothing mysterious about "radiant energy". It is, literally, energy that is radiated. Here's the earliest Tesla quote I found:

“…streams resembling the cathodic must be emitted by the sun and probably also by other sources of radiant energy, such as an arc light or Bunsen burner.” - Electrical Review, May 22, 1896.

[Willie]

Hi
New to this site as a member but not as a guest.
I am a professional novice and love experimenting with anything that involves free energy.
After a lot of research I decided that rather than make a simple circuit, I would try Dragan Kljajic's multi module board and bought some software to help design the board so that it could be made for me. Did all the soldering myself and was rather impressed seeing as I had not done any for nearly 25 years. I have not tested the unit properly as I have just moved house and am in the process of starting a new business.

I have attached a picture and hope to start doing some testing soon

http://www.energeticforum.com/attach...1&d=1390743751

[ewizard]

Nice work Willie. For a minute I thought you were another Willie or maybe it was Willy who was on here in the past. A real heavy builder but crazy dude. Miss him in a way but he was hard to follow. Anyway to EF

[tgraca]

I would advise against using the roof. I imagine it is not insulated so what you are doing is making the roof a lightning rod. Any sharp points at cuts or corners will ionized the air around the point and give lightning an easier path to travel to your roof rather than somewhere - anywhere - else. Ditto the end of your elevated wire. Make sure the loose end is insulated from the air.

This is why you should not connect it to the grounding system of your home but run a separate ground for this system.

In general, the higher the antenna the better, the larger the antenna the better, and the larger and deeper the ground connection the better your results will be. Your environment also plays a major role in your results, i.e. height above sea level, humidity level. The higher the elevation the better and the lower the humidity the better. Read the previous posts.

Thanks thx1138 - I probably won't move the antenna until it gets warmer... maybe next month. Here are 2 pictures of it as it is now.


I know I need to smooth out the wire and tighten it up. Moving it as is won't be pretty... I may role it around a 5 gallon bucket for the move to the roof, and I have some ideas on how to mount it.
Regarding the current roof connection, yes. It is not insulated, which is why it performs so badly, but it does provide some power, and it is interesting how the power goes up and down regularly without any consideration to rain, sun, cold, warm, wind, etc.... I keep all this information in my notes. I can't make any sense of why the energy goes up or down.

If you are interested, I put out a fun video that includes a summary of these variations in readings. It's pretty easy to take readings once or twice a day and only about a minute to test and document the energy from the roof. Radiant Energy Circuits - Tesla Patent No. 685958 November 5, 1901 - YouTube - enjoy!

[thx1138]

Something else to correlate with your readings

I can't make any sense of why the energy goes up or down.

I had a lot of anomalous readings too so I started looking for some correlation in the environment.

On one occasion I had readings from months prior and using exactly the same setup I got consistently lower, much lower, readings. I went through the circuit over and over and found no differences. It dawned on me that my consistently lower readings were during the day in the summer when the sun was directly overhead and the sun was shining on the ground where the ground system was installed. The previous, higher readings were taken in the winter when the ground system was in the shade - it's on the north side of my house in the northern hemisphere. My guess was that the direct sunlight, and thus the charged particles (or whatever they are) were charging the soil as well as the elevated plate, thus a lower potential. I insulated the 9' ground rod so that only the lower 3' were contacting the earth and the readings went up. I think that is because with a higher charge on the surface and penetrating somre distance into the soil, the charge was neutralizing before making it into the circuit. That's why insulating everything above ground is also important - you don't want the charge you are picking up in the metal plate neutralizing with the opposite charge in the air around the metal.

That got me to looking at the sun's emanations and I also found an inverse relationship between solar wind density at the time of the reading and the reading voltage - the higher the solar wind density, the lower the reading. It's like the solar wind absorbs some of the radiant energy before it gets to the earth just like a cloud between the sun and a photovoltaic panel. Out of around 80 readings there were 3 outliers so there is something else going on also but I was really surprised at the correlation. Also note there is a time difference (I don't remember how much right now) between the solar density reading and the voltage change in the correlation. I'm guessing that is due to the satellite taking the readings being in space, the atmosphere, the van Allen belts, etc. and the voltage reading being taken at ground level.

Here's a link to the site where I was getting the sola wind info:
SpaceWeather.com -- News and information about meteor showers, solar flares, auroras, and near-Earth asteroids

Here's another link that has an interesting perspective on the solar wind:
Solar Wind Prediction

I also had an interesting experience one night when there was a cloud to cloud lightning strike many miles away. I was taking a reading and my elevated plate was illuminated by the lightning. It's covered in white high density plastic so the flash was very obvious at night. The reading immediately jumped to four times the reading before the flash and then gradually subsided. I didn't know exactly what I was seeing so didn't try to estimate the distance to the lightning by waiting for the thunder. It only dawned on me later what had occurred. A little research suggests that lightning does emit xrays and gamma rays so that may be it. I did not find any correlation between UV light from the weather channel UV index readings for my location so I'm pretty confident it wasn't UV light from the lightning. And I don't think it was from the ground system because it was a cloud to cloud strike.

Also note that airline pilots carry dosimeters to measure their exposure to radiation because they travel at higher altitudes and are exposed to higher levels of radiation. So the height above sea level could have an effect like getting better reults at high elevations. Say 5000 feet or more above vs sea level. This is just conjecture on my part because I haven't been able to test it. I had relatives in Colorado at 7000 feet where I was going to test it but they sold the property.

[tgraca]

thx1138 - Thanks again!

So the height above sea level could have an effect like getting better results at high elevations.

- I am in the Shenandoah Valley, Luray at about 1076 feet above sea level. I wonder if sea level or tides could affect the readings. I'm over 100 miles from the eastern shore, and sea level is only few feet of change a couple times daily, and I don't see how this could affect the readings so much.

Studying the solar activity effects is a good line of thought, but I probably won't correlate the testing with what others report because I can only depend on data I collect myself. (believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see)... Also, just collecting usable radiant energy is my goal, so energy fluctuations will simply affect the amount captured, which I can measure daily. Maybe a tuning process would be a good phase 2 goal, which could ignore the cause of any fluctuations. An automated tuning process might be a good phase 3 goal. In any case, it's been a cold winter and I have limited my experiments to things I can do inside.