Nuclear Thorium Plasma Battery Victim of Technology Suppression?

[Farmhand]

I guess my question would be how much would it cost to make a battery given
the price and availability of the materials or components ?

I guess my fear would be, if it was cheap and easy to do what would stop some
nutcase from putting together a huge bank of these things to power some kind
of weapon for free. Like a high power microwave emitter ?

I guess my skeptical side says that if it was made public and allowed for
manufacture and public use the people who control the raw materials would
most likely follow the supply and demand model (being mining companies) and
the
price of one or two of the raw materials like thorium would go through the roof
and be very heavily regulated by the very same or similar people that fix the
prices of fuel and energy now.

The problem is, the system that allowed this and other similar things to
happen is corrupt, it won't do any good to complain to one part of the system
about another part of the same system.

When we think about it if we don't want the government to regulate what is
dangerous to have then we all should be able to have anything we want if we
can get it or build it, anything from Battle tanks to nuclear reactors to free energy.

When is regulation too much, and when is it too little ? And who gets to decide that ?

What one person sees as a very real and dangerous prospect another person
might see as safe simply because they haven't considered all the angles.
"Yet".

Cheers

[Patriot]

Freedom First & Always! Thorium Plasma Battery Technology Can Wait!

Sorry friends, but I disagree with all you tree-huggers who don’t think national security is a good enough reason to protect certain technologies from falling into the wrong hands. As a submariner who just retired after 23 years in the Navy, I can tell you that if America ever goes to war against a country that has a respectable naval fleet, you will be damn glad we can sink ships faster and further away than the enemy! I am not at liberty to say what technology we do and don’t have, but I can assure you we have the best technologies known to man. So if you think green is more important than red, white, and blue, you might think differently when you see red on our shoreline. Read between the lines and stop *****ing about saving a few bucks in gas money. At least you have freedom to say, do, and drive what you please and high-technology guarantees you, me, and our grandchildren keep having choices in life.

BTW… the law ensures that the Department of Defense has preference over any and all technology as you can read for yourself at this link- Torpedoing "Submarine" Patents - Atkinson-Baker Court Reporters and this one-http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_181.htm and this one too - 35 USC § 181 - Secrecy of certain inventions and withholding of patent | LII / Legal Information Institute And If you think China or Russia plays by different rules guess again and read this - REGULATION ON NATIONAL DEFENSE PATENT I think anyone who thinks differently is lacking basic patriotism.

[Savvypro]

Sorry friends, but I disagree with all you tree-huggers who don’t think national security is a good enough reason to protect certain technologies from falling into the wrong hands. As a submariner who just retired after 23 years in the Navy, I can tell you that if America ever goes to war against a country that has a respectable naval fleet, you will be damn glad we can sink ships faster and further away than the enemy! I am not at liberty to say what technology we do and don’t have, but I can assure you we have the best technologies known to man. So if you think green is more important than red, white, and blue, you might think differently when you see red on our shoreline. Read between the lines and stop *****ing about saving a few bucks in gas money. At least you have freedom to say, do, and drive what you please and high-technology guarantees you, me, and our grandchildren keep having choices in life.

BTW… the law ensures that the Department of Defense has preference over any and all technology as you can read for yourself at this link- Torpedoing "Submarine" Patents - Atkinson-Baker Court Reporters and this one-http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_181.htm and this one too - 35 USC § 181 - Secrecy of certain inventions and withholding of patent | LII / Legal Information Institute And If you think China or Russia plays by different rules guess again and read this - REGULATION ON NATIONAL DEFENSE PATENT I think anyone who thinks differently is lacking basic patriotism.

Troll,

Oh and wake up and smell the bull sh*t.

That is all.

P.s.

The Muppet Show - In the Navy - YouTube

[Savvypro]

@Farmhand

A lot of stuff has gotten out, only thing is that very few people actually put the effort into doing anything with the information/knowledge they gain.

Take the atomic hydrogen information publish by William Lyne and the thread in this forum on that very subject. It puts the Thorium Plasma Battery to shame.

Heres the thing that we have to remember, those who want the status quo to remain as is (want people to starve, live in fear, poverty, and Tyranny etc), they are constantly facing an up hill battle.

When it's time for things to come out, you will find if you look back at history, that lots of inventions were invented by multiple people at the very same time. If I remember correctly, it's about 700 or so coincidences that have been recorded.

[Joit]

Savypro, should we report him or only ignore?

Patriot you Hero, ever thought about it, WHO does cause the whole Wars and FALSE FLAG Attacks.
Its the fkin Goverment what we have anywhere and what is much worse as the Mafia and where you are proud of, to serve it.
In Case when you did forget it, its YOU what goes into the War, but not the Politican or Lobbyists what did decide and cause the War.
Wake up Boy and grow up. You are indeed only a Troll here. Go and get a Life.

[Joit]

I wonder anyway, how it is possible, that all time a Troll shows up when there is a unusual Thread.
Just shows how heavy monitored this Forum and the Web is.
Capitalism? Wrong. THAT is Communism.


Even more funny at this whole "National Security" Crap. NOT.

Dont you think, All Governement, no Matter if its Asia Russia Arabia do not know about Technologie, what is more efficient as the Trash what anyone get.
They Do. The Batterie above is the best Example, because its developed in Russia.
Anywhere in the World are such Devices, Turkey, Europe, elsewhere but they are kept in a Box, because of "National Security" Uh Oh. Yeah Sure.
So IF they would blow up an other Country the CAN!
Like a lot other Things what would Peoples help at Illness and psychical Problems, what you could heal a lot Peoples, but Lobbies dont want it.

But it even goes further, not only like this Example here, its the suppression about HHO droven Motors too, what are really NO Danger for the Public, only the biggest Danger for the Greed from certain Groups.


The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy - by John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
Keyword: USS Liberty

[Peculian]

patriotism = Cancer for society

Hi folks.
I couldn`t resist to not respond to this patriotic crap post at this topic by "patriot"
I do not know if it is a serious person or just a troll trying to get attention in these forums
or btw a high-paid person to distract what the serious researchers here
including me, are trying to do to liberate themselves from slavery.
patriot, if I was a staff member here you would already be banned without further notice.
No its not a joke.
I hate patriotism, it is like a fast-growing cancer in a human body.
That`s what patriotism is: A sure way to destroy civilizations.
You esentially adore a piece of cloth called flag which even poiliticians themselves
who made a promise to serve "their land" do not give a sh*t about it.
Let me ask you something: You were serving at the marine,right ?
Do you have your body as a whole yet ?
I mean your arms, your legs and etc are all ok ?
I tell you what actually you serve in reality:The Big Oil,fat guys
who have losed the number of their bank accounts,coz they have so much money, gold etc that you better start to investigate the case instead to just support them.
Oh, yes, I almost forgot: You are well paid by the Big Oil for serving them all these years
maybe, that`s why you support them.... Damn it
Congrats patriot : your kind of selfish people are succesfully killing mankind
Big Oil prices,Enormous Pollution creating hazards for people`s health,
Big drug prices,polluted foods;waters and loads of other evil things.

English is not my native language, otherwise I would write more info on patriotism.
Lamers=Money greed = patriotism = religions <- are the same thing
Someone explained exactly what patriotism is : It is a religion itself.

[Savvypro]

Time to point out the bull sh*t:

Sorry friends, but I disagree with all you tree-huggers

First were friends, then were tree-huggers.

I must have missed the invitation to go hug the nearest tree and hold hands and sing coumby ya with all my fellow tree-huggers.

Shoot, oh wait, we must be too busy discussing the suppression of technologically advanced energy generating methods, (everything beyond steam is technologically advanced in my book). And how to build our own.

who don’t think national security is a good enough reason to protect certain technologies from falling into the wrong hands.

Define: wrong hands.

For control freaks: it's those that don't agree with them or get in their way.

For those seeking total power, be it individuals, groups or Governments: it's those that don't agree with them or get in their way.

For brain washed individuals: it's those that don't agree with them (their indoctrination/programing) or get in their way (their indoctrination/programing).

For psychopaths: it's those that don't agree with them or get in their way.

So the definition of: Wrong hands - can be summed up simply as:
Those that don't agree with or get in the way of the person(s) or group(s), making up the definition of who is: the wrong hands.

Try disproving the definition above.

When it comes down to it: Governments are the wrong hands, statically and by sheer actual numbers. Governments kill more people than any single person(s) or event(s) all combined.


National security. Ha, what a joke, but I can solve that dilemma very easily.

A government is a single point of weakness, thus if you have an aggressor that puts enough pressure on the government of the target nation, it's just a matter of time before they buckle. And the aggressor takes over, using all the existing command, control and oppression organisations already in place: Police, security agencies etc.

Which means: you take over the government, you take over a country.
Try taking over a country where the people have disbanded all government departments and institutions at federal, state and local level (using the USA as and example). What you then have is 300,000,000+ people, which have to be conquered individually, one at a time.

Then they have to put in place all the command, control and oppression organisations in order to control the population.

Which is the easier option: conquer 1 government, or 300,000,000+ people one at a time.

You take over the government, you take over a country. Or you face an Afghanistan situation.

As a submariner who just retired after 23 years in the Navy, I can tell you that if America ever goes to war against a country that has a respectable naval fleet,

It's funny seeing as America only fights those less capable.

you will be damn glad we can sink ships faster and further away than the enemy! I am not at liberty to say what technology we do and don’t have, but I can assure you we have the best technologies known to man. So if you think green is more important than red, white, and blue, you might think differently when you see red on our shoreline.

Bull sh*t.
Ever heard of Major General Smedley Butler, you were in the Navy - he was in the Marine Corps. Do a bit of research on him and his book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket

Read between the lines and stop *****ing about saving a few bucks in gas money.

That few bucks = a billion $ a day just in the USA. Paying for stuff which is actually refinery toxic waste.

At least you have freedom to say, do, and drive what you please

No you don’t: truth is becoming illegal, people are being arrested for growing their own food in their back yard. You definitely can't go and buy a flying car which does unlimited miles to 0.00 gallons.

and high-technology guarantees you, me, and our grandchildren keep having choices in life.

That high technology, sooner or later get's turned on the people it's supposedly there to protect. As those in government start seeing the people as being in their way.

BTW… the law ensures that the Department of Defense has preference over any and all technology as you can read for yourself at this link- Torpedoing "Submarine" Patents - Atkinson-Baker Court Reporters and this one-http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_181.htm and this one too - 35 USC § 181 - Secrecy of certain inventions and withholding of patent | LII / Legal Information Institute And If you think China or Russia plays by different rules guess again and read this - REGULATION ON NATIONAL DEFENSE PATENT

My point stands: governments are the wrong hands.

I think anyone who thinks differently is lacking basic patriotism.

Pretty pathetic, your feeble attempt to shut down the conversation by trying to get people to have an emotional response, to fear being called and labeled unpatriotic.
Here's a little hint: it Won't work here.

[Leviathan]

"1. The U.S. government collects over $1 Billion every day in fuel taxes and these monies account for over 35% of the American government's operating capital. About 43% of the cost of gasoline at our pumps goes to pay taxes. Our already strained economy would go belly-up within a month if these fuel-tax revenues were lost. Imagine if American and global consumers buy an EV powered with one of these Thorium plasma batteries and do not have to buy a gallon of gas for the next 5 years? "


wow this makes so much sense, to bad its true the technology of the world really needs to progress, the only thing holding it back is governments and scientific dogma, such a shame

[Savvypro]

Has anyone figured out the oxygen consumption of all the cars in the world or even just 1/4 of the cars in the USA alone (as an example).

You'll be shocked at the numbers. Especially when you compare it to how much each car uses vs. a single occupant.

[jibbguy]

Another mis-direct attempt, imo. Linking Stanley Meyer to another thing, that can be easily exploded, in the hope of then explaining away Meyer's work (it's not that easy lol; but they never learn and keep trying anyway, because its "cheap" to do and may work with some people).

Dr. Eugene Mallove's work and the technologies he championed are well known. Why someone would claim without any proof at all that he "invented" a "thorium plasma battery" is rather bizarre. His REPORTING on plasma technologies were not in that vein, they were the Correas' abnormal glow stuff, and the Papp Engine. These technologies really existed (as did Meyer's). There are undeniable empirical proofs of their at least existing as physical facts, if not actually "working".

There are no proofs of this technology ever existing, of ever being seriously tried.

The other scientist who died in his car at the airport, was also known for another technology related to the semiconductor industry. Again, there is no evidence he had anything to do with this... claimed... tech.

"Thorium" is well known as a fission nuclear "alternative"; although it is lesser known, that it too has much of the same dangers as using other fission methods or "fuels". In fact the very first commercial reactor melt-down in history, that occurred in the Simi Valley outside of L.A. in 1959; used thorium. The area is still highly contaminated, and the corporation who once owned the property refuses to pay to clean it up (Boeing), even after being order to by the State of CA .

So we have these unrelated terms and inventors thrown together for something "new" that has zero proof of ever even existing. Claims that pretty much sound absurd to most folks and are easy to discredit; in the hope that the REAL technologies behind the "stolen" techs and names will then be ignored... tarred with the same brush.

This tactic is one of their "favorites", but it's sadly over-used and wearing pretty thin. Maybe some of you who agree with me can help me think of a name for it we can use as short-hand "red herring" is descriptive, but too cliche.

It is also used in politics, often with great success. The one that is best known, happened during the bush re-election campaign. CBS News had FOUR legitimate witnesses (one a Harvard prof of Bush's who remembered him bragging about it to his face), regarding bush both getting into the Texas Air National Guard to stay out of Viet Nam by using his father's influence, and then ditching his National Guard duty and not showing up. The bush campaign then infiltrated a FIFTH, false claim... and then "exposed" it. The other four, LEGITIMATE witnesses were then completely ignored (and Dan Rather and his editor, who was the one who was fooled, were publicly fired and pilloried, bush got re-elected), and the subject was never brought up again. BRILLIANT, no? Unfortunately it does not always work

It really pisses me off when a genuine hero of our genre (Dr. Mallove), who is dead and cant deny these type of claims, is used in this manner. That's why even though i usually just laugh these off as lame (as i know many of you do), this time i'm calling bullsh*t.

[dutchdivco]

Devils advocate

IF you could 'outlaw' cigarettes, WOULD YOU? Sure, it would improve public health, etc. It would ALSO throw the world into a major depression, as Tobacco represents a significant portion of the 'world economy'.

And of coarse, not even addressing the 'black market' that would be created to supply the demand.

Similarly, If you COULD develop some kind of additive, that was cheap to produce, and would instantly multiply a vehicles mileage by a factor of say,...4. So, a car that gets 25mpg now gets 100mpg. The employment in the 'oil industry', from 'exploration' and 'production', to refineries to distribution, etc. would logically be reduced by approximately 75%. And, the price of gasoline and diesel would commesurately increase by what, 3-4 times?

Just saying, a technology that could truly give us cheap, safe, unlimited energy, and COULD BE 'INTRODUCED' and 'ROLLED OUT' quickly, and which would eliminate the need for the 'support structures' that have developed over many years to produce and distribute energy would have far reaching consequences, such as a worldwide depression which would make "The Great Depression" look like a picnic.So, this COULD be a reason why Gov't.'s might want to supress such technology, and MAY consider it a "National Security" issue.And, from a 'military' standpoint, you seek advantage. If your tanks, for example, can get significantly better mileage than your opponents tanks, YOU have an advantage. Your tanks spend less time re-fueling, and more time moving, and so can be where your opponent doesn't expect them. If the technology which gives you this advantage is 'made public', your enemy can develop the SAMT technology, and so you 'loose' the advantage.

Not DEFENDING such behavior by the Gov't, just saying "THEY" may feel like "THEY" have 'legitimate' reasons for suppressing certain technologies.

Oh, and by the by, the original poster mentioned her husband pointing out how G.Bush etc. are 'in bed with' (or whatever) the Oil industry. Don't fool yourself; there is no real difference between the parties; They both take $ from, and are 'in bed with' Big Tobacco, Big Oil, Wall Street, etc. Just look at the financial contributions from Freddie Mac, Citigroup, etc. to the DEMOCRATS in Congress, leading up to 2008. BOTH parties take the $, both are influenced, and both screw us eaqually. And both may well 'buy in' to the above rationalisations, for 'suppressing' certain technologies.Jim

[shawnnweed]

Sorry friends, but I disagree with all you tree-huggers who don’t think national security is a good enough reason to protect certain technologies from falling into the wrong hands. As a submariner who just retired after 23 years in the Navy, I can tell you that if America ever goes to war against a country that has a respectable naval fleet, you will be damn glad we can sink ships faster and further away than the enemy! I am not at liberty to say what technology we do and don’t have, but I can assure you we have the best technologies known to man. So if you think green is more important than red, white, and blue, you might think differently when you see red on our shoreline. Read between the lines and stop *****ing about saving a few bucks in gas money. At least you have freedom to say, do, and drive what you please and high-technology guarantees you, me, and our grandchildren keep having choices in life.

BTW… the law ensures that the Department of Defense has preference over any and all technology as you can read for yourself at this link- Torpedoing "Submarine" Patents - Atkinson-Baker Court Reporters and this one-http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/documents/appxl_35_U_S_C_181.htm and this one too - 35 USC § 181 - Secrecy of certain inventions and withholding of patent | LII / Legal Information Institute And If you think China or Russia plays by different rules guess again and read this - REGULATION ON NATIONAL DEFENSE PATENT I think anyone who thinks differently is lacking basic patriotism.

Are you serious? I was in the Marines for 13 years and would love to see thorium battery technology be in every house in the US. If you think that we are not going to war with IRAN and IRAQ for weapons of mass destruction then you are asleep. We went to war with IRAQ because they changed the barrel of oil from the US dollar to the EURO. The first thing we did when we seized the land was change it back to the US dollar. At one time it might have been due to national security but now there is a larger issue...greed...simple unabated greed. My friends died over there. I went to their funerals. So don't come in here and tell me that OUR blood spilled on the FOREIGN soil of IRAQ was due to national security. They had the red, white and blue draped over their coffin, folded nicely and handed to their parents, I listened to taps being played as tears rolled down my cheeks. I listened to the 21 gun salute. So don't you dare lecture me on patriotism. My government owe's me and those that died, their posckets are plenty fat from oil and it's time they paid!
,Shawn
U.S. Marine

[dutchdivco]

Civil discussion?

First of all, Opinions are like *ssholes; eveyone HAS one! If we are secure in OUR opinions, we shouldn't be hostile to those expressing an 'alternate' opinion.
I REFINE my opinions and viewpoints of the world, when I discuss/debate with those who disagree with me; NOT when I dicuss them with someone who agrees with me.

I don't know if there is a textbook, standardised definition of a 'Troll', but I HAVE encountered several of what I consider to be 'trolls' on various forums; Invariably these were people who took contrarian positions, JUST to get into an 'argument', and REGARDLESS of HOW another member responded, the TROLL would reply in such a way as to keep the argument going. THAT, to me, is the essence of 'troll-like' behavior. the Expression "How do you deal with a 'Troll'; STOP 'feeding' them" is a recognition of this; doesn't matter WHAT your eesponce is; they 'feed' off any responce; Hence, the 'ONLY' way to 'deal' with them is with NO responce.
Since "Patriot" has only posted ONCE on this thread, I see no sign, as yet, of 'Troll-like' behavior.

What I DO see, in numerous threads on this forum, are posters who chastise anyone who disagrees with them, and posts an alternative opinion. Calls to 'BAN' such members, accusations anyone who disagrees with them are 'disinformation' agents payed by 'them',etc.

IF you are 'secure' in your opinions, why do you respond with such venom, to someone who presents an opposing view? Recognise; you COULD be 'wrong'
(regardless of the 'topic' or your 'position'). Read the opposing statements, think about them, and reply with intelligent, thought out counter arguments.

All this "Jane,you ignorant slut" kind of responce in un-productive, counter to the principles of debate, and a waste of words.

Coarse, this is just MY 'opinion',.....Jim

[Savvypro]

First of all, Opinions are like *ssholes; eveyone HAS one! If we are secure in OUR opinions, we shouldn't be hostile to those expressing an 'alternate' opinion.
I REFINE my opinions and viewpoints of the world, when I discuss/debate with those who disagree with me; NOT when I dicuss them with someone who agrees with me.

I don't know if there is a textbook, standardised definition of a 'Troll', but I HAVE encountered several of what I consider to be 'trolls' on various forums; Invariably these were people who took contrarian positions, JUST to get into an 'argument', and REGARDLESS of HOW another member responded, the TROLL would reply in such a way as to keep the argument going. THAT, to me, is the essence of 'troll-like' behavior. the Expression "How do you deal with a 'Troll'; STOP 'feeding' them" is a recognition of this; doesn't matter WHAT your eesponce is; they 'feed' off any responce; Hence, the 'ONLY' way to 'deal' with them is with NO responce.
Since "Patriot" has only posted ONCE on this thread, I see no sign, as yet, of 'Troll-like' behavior.

What I DO see, in numerous threads on this forum, are posters who chastise anyone who disagrees with them, and posts an alternative opinion. Calls to 'BAN' such members, accusations anyone who disagrees with them are 'disinformation' agents payed by 'them',etc.

IF you are 'secure' in your opinions, why do you respond with such venom, to someone who presents an opposing view? Recognise; you COULD be 'wrong'
(regardless of the 'topic' or your 'position'). Read the opposing statements, think about them, and reply with intelligent, thought out counter arguments.

All this "Jane,you ignorant slut" kind of responce in un-productive, counter to the principles of debate, and a waste of words.

Coarse, this is just MY 'opinion',.....Jim

You make valid points.
However, "Patriot" started off by insulting people, who don't fit the map and model of the world, that they are pushing as theirs.

Their whole post is basically nationalistic/patriotic propaganda, that's been used for the past 100+ years to scare people into doing or being a certain way.

Oh and I'll feed the trolls just for the fun of it. Especially in a fishy thread.

As Focus Fusion doesn't use Thorium. <-- If you understand this last statement, you'll understand why I think this thread is fishy.