Burning wood is a mortal sin

[Franco malgarini]

Because with the dry distillation of wood it is possible to obtain:

charcoal
gas poor
tar
methyl alcohol
acetic acid
acetone
derivari of the products of fractional distillation

[tachyon]

And with "wood pellets" made out of garbage you can produce biodesiel , fertilizer or building blocks if you sterilize it using a HV electron discharge.

[velacreations]

Well, technically, you can produce those things, but it is not nearly as easy as that. Have you ever made biodiesel from bio oil derived from wood? Hint: you need a LOT of wood.

The nice thing about pyrolysis of wood is that it is self sustaining, so you can get heat and charcoal from the same wood (and a tiny bit of wood oil).

Still, the contraption is a lot more complicated than a 3 stone fire.

[tachyon]

I'm not talking about wood.. I'm talking about organic garbage. It's all about electron orbits , getting the right components to react properly instead of heating up the garbage tremendously, pressure and temperature control rather than mechanical oil extraction.. the hard thing to do in terms of funding is construct the garbage processing line, it costs a little more than the average DIY budget.. ready made pellets are processed in a way that they will not yield much biodesiel or fertilizer , it has to be done during the processing of garbage.

[Franco malgarini]

Tar distillation
The tar obtained by dry distillation of wood, can be distilled to obtain:

Light oils from which to further adjustment is obtained Benzene, Toluene, Xylene and naphtha solvents. For treatment respectively with solutions of caustic soda and sulfuric acid of the crude products can be separated also phenol and pyridine bases, which are, however, more abundant in the second fraction of tar distillation constituted by Medium oils, from which is obtained also, for cooling, the mothballs.
The fractions following are the heavy oils used for the impregnation of wood, such as liquid absorbent for debenzolaggio gas or as fuels, oils and anthracene used as colorants.
The distillation residue is the tar pitch used for the production of agglomerates of coal, electrodes or various pieces of graphite.

Do you think that all these products sell only from the distillation of tar, obtained as a byproduct of the distillation of wood:
DISTILLATION OF WOOD AND 'AS OIL INDUSTRY.

[tachyon]

Yes ............................ and then we will have no forests left because we used them for making solvents e.t.c... we can use garbage distillation.. to obtain CH4 e.t.c.

[Franco malgarini]

Oh no, you're primarily charcoal to burn in the fireplace and gas to power the distillation ...






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[tachyon]

Oh no, you're primarily charcoal to burn in the fireplace and gas to power the distillation ...

But you can burn pellets made out of garbage to burn in central heating as well.. you can use LPG or CNG for the distillation process of garbage or use special cycle system.. you can increase the kJ/mol content of the pellets by a special process and you can compress the garbage and manufacture building blocks by using similar processing.

Organic Waste Into Energy: Destructive Distillation | John Toman - YouTube

Producing charcoal as well

Hint: Search the other videos as well..

Forgot to mention the capital investment of the processing plant pays off in short time due to energy production from the garbage processed gas! Further processed gas could be sold as normal biodiesel or special biogas!

[Franco malgarini]

Charcoal
The charcoal produced in the dry distillation of wood, is the common charcoal which is located in the supermarket a few euro.
This is the primary source of coal in our experiments of self-sufficiency.
The charcoal can be used:

- In the fireplace or grill burns with little smoke and flame, and with a few ashes.
- It can be used in the blast in the home for producing iron and cast iron.
- Can be used to produce calcium carbide:
CaO + 3C = CaC 2 + CO
- You can prepare the water-gas:
C + H2O = CO + H2
- With the silica can be obtained either silicon carborundum:
SiO2 + 2C = Si + 2 CO
SiO2 + 3C = SiC + 2CO

[tachyon]

Ok have fun..

[Franco malgarini]

I think that there is nothing to play: they are burned every year thousands of tons of wood that could be used advantageously to create an alternative economy to oil.
Obviously this bothers to oil ....

[velacreations]

Yeah, you can use garbage, too, but is that very efficient? And what sort of oil product are you looking at? In terms of wood, or most plant things, we are talking tons to get a few gallons.

I don't have tons of garbage, but the organic garbage I currently produce goes to feed animals and/or composted.

I do think converting garbage to energy is beneficial in certain areas, as long as that conversion is efficient.

[tachyon]

It's super efficient.. but no government wants this , they will loose money out of petroleum taxes.. they can't tax fuel made from garbage can they? The story about wood is that you get a lot of by-products that you can use for the industry but you get no fuel out of it. The process for the garbage is heating a vacuum cylinder with garbage inside up to 1500C, from the distillation you get a similar gas to LPG and charcoal, moisture content and air must be kept out of the process. You shouldnt try to do this at home it's dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Most garbage plants that use this system use the fuel gas on site for electricity production.. but it can be processed for making biofuels!

[velacreations]

How efficient is it? How many tons per gallon of oil? And what is the quality of the oil?

Yes, they can tax fuel made from garbage. They tax fuel made from corn or soybeans or waste oil.... Why would garbage be any different?

You can get bio oil from wood, just not a lot. And you can get CO and H2 as well (wood gas).

But, getting something to 1500 C takes some energy. I think I see what you are talking about, now. This is syngas. And yeah, you can use anything to make it (even wood). But reforming syngas into liquid fuels is not easy, and requires catalysts and pressure.

You are right, it is not a backyard process, though if you knew what you were doing, you could probably do it in your backyard.

Wood distillation or pyrolysis is similar, but at lower temps (300C), and produces char as a byproduct, which is useful as a fuel and a soil amendment. You still get gasses (CO and H2) that could be converted to biofuels using the same processes (Fischer trope) as the syngas route.

Getting fuels from these gases is not very efficient, and you are better off just burning the gases as is (that's why the landfill folks do it).

[tachyon]

see the video that I posted above..