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  • #31
    Cosmiculture, groovy ;-)

    I too have tried growing "lettuce" under the LED's. Got these strips of 12 led's from china and used 3 red strips for each blue one. about 100 strips per board. I dont know if its sacriligious or not but I called it my "Electric Jesus", because thats all I could think of when I saw it turn on. Maybe it would save me ?

    In early growth, the plants were VERY satisfied with the light. Healthy, quick. But in mid growth and flowering, I had to keep raising up the light board and I could tell the bottom of the plant wasnt getting enough, so I added a cheapy grow light from the garden store, and it seemed in the area where the incandecant light and LED light mixed, it would confuse plants. they would grow away from that hemicircle, and the plants there looked either burnt or tired. I dont think they liked the mix. Also all I was giving em was miracle grow, that magic NPK firespitting technology which I know now is trash.

    They did well but I have seen better with real HPS lights. One month, when I was away and my room was on autopilot and both EJ's running, my electricity bill was only 12 dollars. about 300 watts for 2 EJ's, compared to the theoretical 1500 watts of (1 big and 1 small) HPS light.

    But personally, to have a room where soothing violet light brings up some plants, works very relaxing. I do not think I saved "MONEY" by 'brewing my own' , seeing how the lights were a thousand and the rest of the expenses might be around 500... Would have been cheaper to get my "FOOD" from the supermarket... but I did get alot of knowledge and experience which you couldn't have bought. and I still have my EJ!

    It seemed after 1 year of use, 1/5 of the blue light strips had faults. They would flash on and off, and that cyclic nature prob. burnt them. They would always flash before they burnt out, but only the blue ones. The blue LED's used about .4 v more then the red ones.

    So, yes, LED's work well. You either pay money in the beginning for better lumen producers, or pay money later for oversized electric bill.

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    • #32
      I read in one of Viktor Schauberger work that leaves has color that filter the most unwanted color for it's growth. green on tropical forest, red/yellow on northern/southern part. Would the red and blue work for every plant?

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      • #33
        Hmm. Actually, only specific acid loving plants work with the 3/1 ratio. Other plants would require different proportions, But to be honest plants are living things with multiple inputs. If one is unsatisfactory, it will try to live off of what it has.

        I know a friend of mine has a red painted party light used to grow plants, and he says it works... I don't know if that plant is loving life as much as it could, but its still getting bigger. I would say a majority of garden plants would thrive under LED's but each species likes different proportions. I would imagine that green leafed plants would work great under the purple light, but the fancy plants in the desert might not like it as much, or require less blue, or something.

        Only one way to find out
        "Heibi international" sells cheap led solutions. The price is good but I'm finding some LED's failed after a year.

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        • #34
          Hi guys, nice reading about LED.

          I believe Red-Blue is the way to go, so this using full-spectrum is kind of strange, you do know, of course that chlorophyll gets damages in certain spectrum.

          About plants growing taller or wider, I'm amazed that you don't nip the buds. I practice that, and it ensures plants grow as I want them, and planned correctly they plants grow healthily, and bloom vibrantly.

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          • #35
            white leds

            Hi guys what about white leds? Are they good to grow plants?
            Thanks

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            • #36
              Its all in the frequencies. The plant drinks up the blue and red, while white I am not sure of , however blue and red are inside of white if you split it.

              All I could say is maybe, try it. I would think they wouldn't get enough though...

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Guruji View Post
                Hi guys what about white leds? Are they good to grow plants?
                Thanks
                might want to check that, i read a few days ago somewhere while reseraching LED's that TRUE WHITE LED's don't exist, something about the blue's becoming whiter and whiter but not actually evern being truly white, yet.

                I could be wrong but something to look into if your trying for some prue white.

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                • #38
                  white led

                  The white led's are good enough to have a positive effect and there is a
                  very, very specific application of them with red and blue for plant growth.
                  I sent a message to my friend that did the studies to see if I can post the
                  protocol, which is SOOO simple but makes a big difference. As soon as I
                  hear back, I'll post it if he doesn't mind.
                  Sincerely,
                  Aaron Murakami

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                  • #39
                    white, red/blue leds for plants

                    Ok, with the white led's.....

                    Use white LED's for 5 minutes on the plant,
                    turn them off then use only red and blue.
                    For the last 5 minutes, turn off the red and
                    blue and do just white for 5 minutes.

                    white 5 minutes > red blue however long > white 5 minutes

                    The white light "WAKES UP THE PLANT" if using
                    white for 5 minutes before doing red/blue, then
                    the red/blue are much more effective. I have the
                    pics somewhere showing the difference. May post
                    them if I can find them.
                    Sincerely,
                    Aaron Murakami

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Aaron View Post
                      Ok, with the white led's.....

                      Use white LED's for 5 minutes on the plant,
                      turn them off then use only red and blue.
                      For the last 5 minutes, turn off the red and
                      blue and do just white for 5 minutes.

                      white 5 minutes > red blue however long > white 5 minutes

                      The white light "WAKES UP THE PLANT" if using
                      white for 5 minutes before doing red/blue, then
                      the red/blue are much more effective. I have the
                      pics somewhere showing the difference. May post
                      them if I can find them.
                      Thanks Aaron for the info. Is there a time how much one should use blue and red?
                      Thanks

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                      • #41
                        light cycle

                        For example, if you have something that blossoms or fruits, you keep the
                        lights on for about 18 hours on and 6 hours off.

                        Then, whenever you want the plant to believe it is time to start
                        blossoming and fruiting, cut the light to 12 hours on and 12 hours off.

                        That will almost always cause it to start budding.
                        Sincerely,
                        Aaron Murakami

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Aaron View Post
                          For example, if you have something that blossoms or fruits, you keep the
                          lights on for about 18 hours on and 6 hours off.

                          Then, whenever you want the plant to believe it is time to start
                          blossoming and fruiting, cut the light to 12 hours on and 12 hours off.

                          That will almost always cause it to start budding.
                          Aaron,

                          Are you referring to the LED (White - Red/Blue - White) sequence or just to normal light usage.
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                          • #43
                            light cycle

                            Either one.

                            With normal light, same.

                            And with the white led before and after the red/blue, the
                            total light time should be the same as what you'd do with
                            normal light.

                            By cutting back on the light to 12/12, the plant thinks it
                            is getting to the end of season and the sun is getting less
                            and less and starts to bud.

                            I'll ask my friend if there is any reduced light time with the
                            led's but I don't think so.
                            Sincerely,
                            Aaron Murakami

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                            • #44
                              Wow, this is excellent.
                              Thank you Aaron and everybody.
                              I think I will use a joule thief in one room and a regular 2 batteries with resistor circuit type deal in another.
                              I am about to buy some fresh air plants (for air for me to breathe) and this is well timed.
                              I have extra reds but not extra blues. Hmm OK.

                              How nice to be able to combine my interests of biology, energy healing, and joule thief in one project.
                              This makes me smile!

                              thank you,

                              jeanna

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                              • #45
                                light spectrum and plants

                                Hi Jeanna,

                                Yeah, all this fits nicely together.

                                For light colors and plants, there is a great video by Dr. Ott, the father
                                of "full spectrum light" called "Exploring the Spectrum". I just found my copy
                                a couple weeks ago - thought I lost it.

                                Anyway, here is a 7-8 minute clip from it:
                                YouTube - John Ott - Exploring the Spectrum, Pioneer in Time-Lapse Photography, Photo-Biology

                                I couldn't find the full length online but it may be at libraries. It is one of
                                those rare older gems of info on light and health, plant growth, etc...
                                Sincerely,
                                Aaron Murakami

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