High Frequency Horticulture

[sucahyo]

@Sucahyo,
I know what you mean about finding a HF free spot.
I just put mine in the same window so they are getting equal everything after the treatment.

I think you should have a standard size comparison from place further from you house too. Maybe by ruler or by weighing.


I never notice that the plant is giant until I visit my brother in law in different city who happen to have same plant that I remember being the same size last year. All of his plant leaves are still as big as the smallest leaf on my wifes plant.



A radiant circuit will not just provide HF (ie, speaker as radiant coil), it can also provide the HV and the ion (IMO even without HV output).
Can negative ions really help the growth of plants?

[jeanna]

@Sucahyo,
I agree that I should put them in a better place, but then I would forget them and they would dry out, so this is the best for now.
It is probable that ions also make a difference.

I am especially wanting to see if I can help plants with a joule thief secondary since it seems I should.
It has such high frequency and high voltage skinny spikes.
I do not actually know what it is producing in the middle of the toroid where I put them for treatment.
I suspect something in the magnetic arena, but since it is a toroid, maybe not.

Anyway,
The untreated mung bean sprouts have made up some of the difference today.
There are now 10 mung bean sprouts (out of 18) with leaves beginning to form.

The treated group saw some continued growth in length of root and leaves and only 2 more showed the beginnings of leaves today. The total is 11 out of 18.

I am skipping the pix tonight because the words are close enough.

jeanna

[sucahyo]

I am especially wanting to see if I can help plants with a joule thief secondary since it seems I should.
It has such high frequency and high voltage skinny spikes.
I do not actually know what it is producing in the middle of the toroid where I put them for treatment.
I suspect something in the magnetic arena, but since it is a toroid, maybe not.

I would use the rectified version of it. The modern version of what I use is from Robert Beck: Positive for infection, negative for regeneration. Killing disease vs growth.

Looking forward for more result .

[Jetijs]

Another update:


The difference is quite big. I cut those sprouts off and measured their weight. The weight difference is 21%. Pretty good results Now I will try different seeds

[theremart]

Hey Jetijs

How did you apply the HV? was it for a short time or are you continually hitting the plants with HV.


What is your method of applying are you putting two probes at either side of the soil and hitting it with HV?

Curious about your methods.

[sucahyo]

Nice results jetijs .

[Jetijs]

Thanks sucahyo
Mart, I used a small plastic container that is used for microwaving food. I glued aluminum foil sheets on top of it and on the bottom. Then I covered those aluminum sheets with several layers of tape to prevent arcing or ionization and for safety. The wires from the sheets were connected to a flyback transformer. The plates were charged up to about 20kV, the negative electrode was on the top and the positive on the bottom. I used a PWM circuit to limit the current from the battery, the PWM ran at about 100Hz and limited the current to about 100mA. The oscillating frequency of the flyback driver was about 50kHz. So it ran for three days and then the seeds were put into ground

[IndianaBoys]

Jetijs,

Great work!
If you are open to a sugestion, introduce a Masaru Emoto technique of writing a command on each of the growing boxes such as "I love you" on one and "I hate you" on the other as well as 2 watering cans that have the messages on them along with the electrostatic treatment and watch the differences manifest.

IndianaBoys

[sucahyo]

The plates were charged up to about 20kV, the negative electrode was on the top and the positive on the bottom. I used a PWM circuit to limit the current from the battery, the PWM ran at about 100Hz and limited the current to about 100mA. The oscillating frequency of the flyback driver was about 50kHz. So it ran for three days and then the seeds were put into ground

isn't that high voltage experiment and not high frequency experiment? where the plant act as capacitor?

But that still informative experiment .

[jeanna]

I had to go for the weekend last week just at the time the first plants needed to go into earth, so I buried them all.
But I was in a hurry and might not have buried the seeds evenly because when I got back a couple of the untreated plants looked taller.
I waited and now a week later they are evening out.

What I think I see is that while the treated seeds are not taller, they have bigger leaves than the untreated ones.

I think that I should do this again just as I did it before but I should do it for 3 days. Then they will be more like yours, jetijs.
Then, I will try the ends of the HV wires onto aluminum plates as you did.

Anyway, this is not finished, yet. It is just a little slow.
The real leaves are not coming out yet on either set of plants.

more later
thank you,

jeanna

(I could never tall a plant I hate it. Someone else will have to do that part!)

[jeanna]

damping off!

Well, the sad news is that all my seedlings have got the damping off rot.

I will need to start this over.
But I already know that the center of the toroid was not very promising after a day, so I will use the high voltage secondary more like what jetijs did, but even this will have to wait for a quieter time. Things are busy now.

thank you,

jeanna

[sucahyo]

Well, the sad news is that all my seedlings have got the damping off rot.

I will need to start this over.
But I already know that the center of the toroid was not very promising after a day, so I will use the high voltage secondary more like what jetijs did, but even this will have to wait for a quieter time. Things are busy now.

Sad news, but very interesting. I thought that a boosted growth would also have better protection from illness. Maybe half in dark and half in sun is better than sunny in 24 hour? A little bit of bad energy instead of good energy without interruption?


Would your secondary connected to the primary (having common leg)? Because I am now believe we can get different effect from connecting the secondary to different primary terminal.

[Jetijs]

Ok, a little update.
I think it could be important if there is water in the seeds when you treat it with HV. Some seeds are dry, like spinath and redishes, some are not, like beans and small onions. Bean experiment deat all my expectations and worked great. Now I work with dry radish seeds, dry spinath seeds and small onions. They were treated each in separate platsic container, the dry seeds were put in containers with very small thickness - about 20mm, the onions had about 40mm from foil plates. All three containers were put in parallel and to about 40kV. I could hear the dry seeds bouncing around in the containers when the HV was applied first time. Might be that the treated seeds can be damaged this way. Anyway, all the seeds were planted some days ago. All the groups have their control groups planted on a separate pot so that I can see the changes. So far radishes are the first to reach the surface and sprout, unfortunately the untreated ones are twice higher and sprouterd in higher numbers. Maybe I damaged them with that high voltage. The spinath hasn't sprouted yet. The treated onions seem a bit more sucessful than the control group, but at this time it is hard to say. Time will tell.