Donald Smith Meet Eric P. Dollard

[OrionLightShip]

This is not simple. The problem is to trap electrons because they will return to ground when you shut off positive HV . Ground connection must be controlled. Wasn't that the same which Don Smith stated ?

I don't remember him saying that but if I were to use this as an electron pump with controlled ground, I would use a synchronized pulsed mosfet to transfer the charges when the induced charge peaked on every cycle.

There is another way to take power off of this much more efficiently without a controlled ground and it is not so obvious as my crude drawing would have you think.

Electrons don't travel far in high frequency circuits, they are already in a trap of their own making!

Orion

[boguslaw]

Right. Electrons do not travel fast. I always make the same oversimplification - I meant - charge flow.

[OrionLightShip]

Right. Electrons do not travel fast. I always make the same oversimplification - I meant - charge flow.

[OrionLightShip]

REPOST FOR ZILANO

Don Smith meet Eric Dollard

There can be no doubt that Eric P. Dollard is a genius.
Don Smith has confirmed, for me, a theory I have had for a long time now and expressed in another thread by Armagdn about a capacitive spring.

This would be the full realization of my capacitive electron pump.
I believe I have found a perfect marriage of two technologies from Dollard and Smith.

Let's start with Dollard's analog transmisson model. A normal power transmission line has distributed inductance and capacitance. Dollard turned the distibuted inductance and capacitance upside down.



Not only is his new model a voltage multiplier but it phase shifts the current so that when the voltage is at its peak, so is the current.

This is the opposite of what happens in your house everyday where the voltage is low when the current is greatest and the current is low when the voltage is at it's peak.

With enough stages you have a high frequency, high voltage supply with properly phased current. Perfect for many things including banging electrons against a capacitor or tank circuit.

It might even be the best power supply for the Don Smith coil source replications everyone is building. I can't understand why no one
has developed this particular technology to it's full potential. If ever anything needs to be replicated; it is this.

In a Don Smith video, he demonstrates the use of high voltage connected to one of the large flat plates of a simple homebuilt capacitor. He shows that you can use a grounded wire and draw a brush discharge off of
the opposing plate.

He explains that all of the energy on the first plate stays on the first plate.
When you are building a transistor amplifier you design the dc blocking capacitor and bypass resistor so that the impedance due to capacitive reactance at the signal frequency you want to pass is less than the
bypass resistor.


The dc is shunted to ground and the signal, following the path of least resistance passes through the capacitor and is amplified by the transistor. WRONG!

What really happens is that the signal is induced onto the other side of the capacitor making a carbon copy of the signal on the other side. If it were any other way, the signal would be inverted.

Before you say it, the inverted amplified signal is a function of the transistor, not the capacitor.

A perfect example of induced charge can be seen by use of the electrophorous. Bringing a conductor in close proximity of a charged insulator will cause a separation of charge.


Touching the top of the conductor will remove one charge, the carbon copy. The opposite charge remains.

Raising the conductor will now raise the voltage according to the charge formula which equals C * V.

The capacitance lowers so the voltage goes up. In addition, the work done to raise the conductor is reflected by the energy formula .5 * C * Vsquared.

After discharging the conductor again, the process can be repeated over and over and over without ever changing the charge on the insulator.

The same thing happens when you connect a high voltage to one and only one plate of a capacitor. The electric field will be induced onto the other plate and a separation of charge will occur.

What happens if you place a third plate close to the second plate and then a fourth next to it and so on and on. The same electric field will be induced on each and every plate along with the inherent charge separation.

I thought Don Smith was a quack when I heard him say that with one plate as transmitter you could utilize the energy from as many receiver plates as you wanted to make and it wouldn't affect the transmitter plate.

I thought he meant to connect the same high voltage source to a plurality of capacitors and that simply won't work in a manner that will give you free energy.

Then the truth and meaning of what he was trying to convey finally sunk in. One plate charged with a high voltage source can induce that charge onto another plate which can induce it's charge onto another
plate...etc..etc..etc.


Perhaps, when you first look at the above diagram you will think that there is nothing to be gained here and you may be right. I believe there is a way to utilize this with great advantage.

Using an oscillator such as a hartley or negistor connected to Dollard's multiplier network, we allow the network to self-determine the the oscillator's frequency perfectly matching the resonant frequency of the
network.

And we all know what happens at resonance. For the most part the only energy used is due to resistive heating. The inductors and capacitors dissipate very little energy. It is a highly efficient, capacitor,
coil, or tank banging power supply.

It's something or it's nothing....you tell me! My first priority is to figure out how to make the right value components to make the Dollard network resonate at audio frequencies so I can use a frequency generator
on my computer with my bridgeable power amp to see if it does what I think it does to those plates.

OrionLightShip

[ewizard]

Not sure how relevant this is but it's a cool MIT demo that I was reminded about after reading your paper. Leyden Jar retains charge on glass alone Skip forward to about 1:15 if you like as the part before that is not important if you've seen a Wimhurst and Leyden jars. But what follows that is still amazing to me.

[boguslaw]

The essence is here : whenever you have separated charges you have energy! However we don't know other methods of using that energy except by killing this dipole.

[john_g]

Hi OrionLightShip

Great PDF, for the last few months I have been thinking about pumping earth electrons, just a couple of thoughts.

If the + capacitor plate is surrounded by 2 – plates, do we get twice the electrons drawn up to the -ve plates for the same charge on the +plate?

If we have 2 charged bodies, and we touch them together they will equalize their charges, so can we create useful “current flow” say between a set of negative plates of different capacities?

Regards

John

[OrionLightShip]

The essence is here : whenever you have separated charges you have energy! However we don't know other methods of using that energy except by killing this dipole.

Perhaps you are right, but I shall endeavor to prove you wrong anyway.

No dipoles will be harmed, but hopefully I may cause them some degree of embarrassment.

[OrionLightShip]

Hi OrionLightShip

Great PDF, for the last few months I have been thinking about pumping earth electrons, just a couple of thoughts.

If the + capacitor plate is surrounded by 2 – plates, do we get twice the electrons drawn up to the -ve plates for the same charge on the +plate?

I have a hard time visualizing other peoples thoughts, but to go out on a limb here.... If you control the setup so that electrons from the earth are used to neutralize the positive charges on two identical plates instead of one, then the answer is yes. Now what will you do with those electrons, that is the question.

If we have 2 charged bodies, and we touch them together they will equalize their charges, so can we create useful “current flow” say between a set of negative plates of different capacities?

For any current to flow from one negative plate to the other requires for their to be a potential difference between them. Sizes or orientation of the plates do not matter in the simple case.

I am again unable to be certain what your setup is, however, I can tell you that discharging capacitors into each other is not a fruitful endeavor...to this date....to my knowledge.

Regards

John

ten letters

[OrionLightShip]

Not sure how relevant this is but it's a cool MIT demo that I was reminded about after reading your paper. Leyden Jar retains charge on glass alone Skip forward to about 1:15 if you like as the part before that is not important if you've seen a Wimhurst and Leyden jars. But what follows that is still amazing to me.

Yes, that video was an eye opener for me when first I saw it. I have studied capacitance for a good long while now and yet there is much I still have to learn.

Faraday once made a statement about capacitance which I am now unable to find. He said basically that if there were magic in the universe, it would be found in capacitance. He was probably as confused by it as we are!

[mr.clean]

Some ideas seem too simple. Hook your capacitor to the ground, pump the high voltage/high frequency to one side of the capacitor and collect the dividends out of the ground? It is like finding free money. it couldnt be that simple could it?

yep, that works, thats Don "commercial model" board (with no coils

(and yes ive tried it)

[Armagdn03]

yep, that works, thats Don "commercial model" board (with no coils

(and yes ive tried it)

Here is an entire thread on the situation were we explored this concept in good detail and how it can be used.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...sink-hole.html

[madhatter]

Just wanted to share some input on Capacitors, condensors and electrostatic optics. I stumbled across an internal book for RCA engineers on vacuum tube design. It's full of loads of useful data and mathematical formulae used to calculate electron flow and charge.

Hoop over to Archive.org, Vacuum Tube Design : RCA Manufacturing Company, Inc. : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive

It's written in way that explains and can be used by someone who may not grasp differential calculus but with the explanations and diagrams the formulae can be worked thru.

While the focus is on electron flow and tubes it is relevant to what happens in capacitors and their behavior if your dealing with parallel plate capacitors.

Also look into walton-cockcroft HV generator, similar design without the 'inductance'.

[boguslaw]

Perhaps you are right, but I shall endeavor to prove you wrong anyway.

No dipoles will be harmed, but hopefully I may cause them some degree of embarrassment.

One way to do this is by induction.....creating copy of dipole...

[rmotley]

This is not simple. The problem is to trap electrons because they will return to ground when you shut off positive HV . Ground connection must be controlled. Wasn't that the same which Don Smith stated ?

that's what diodes are made for. Or just let them move back and forth through the primary of a transformer and used the energy off the secondary.