Eric Dollard

[David G Dawson]

EM vs LMD

Just a word again on the probe detector using the Germanium 1N34s.
This probe has the ability to detect EM by CONTACT and LMD by NO CONTACT.
Use this probe head to determine what you are transmitting either EM or LMD.
Have you made one yet as a part of your tool kit?
You need the high impedance headphones as well of 2,000 to 3,000 ohms.
Polish Dr Jan Pajek would be most inspired.

Will put up the schematic for the 1N34 receiver but deciding initially to build as a Crystal Set to ensure it works on a local EM station and then play with coils for best Cosmic reception without using batteries as I am sure Moray would have done:

High-Power Crystal Radio




These are the days of basket-weave type coils on insulators with ferrites down the middle and able to be tuned.
I have just received another box full from Ebay and another on auction.
This is where the photocell also comes into use as a front end receiver that can be used as a passive amplifier, detector and rectifier.

Of interest is the 90º placement of coils in this passive receiver which denotes to me something other than an EM energy is being utilised here and is an Aetheric amplifying component.

Show me a transistor that can display plasma?

Still working on powering up the CSI and adding a meter into the circuit. - had to review the size of transformer I was using.

Smokey

[dR-Green]

The whole concept was that the TRANSMITTER powers the remote RECEIVER. No CW radio should be required.

Like Smokey said earlier:

What is coming together on my bench is a radio receiver that uses the 1N34s and will power a 2" speaker without the use of batteries.

For a general view of the arrangement (in short the transmitter and receiver are connected through a bucket of garden soil):

Tesla Wireless Transmission Of Signal And Power Through Bucket - YouTube

After some upgrades and with a test receiver:

TMT With New Circuit Prototype Test Run-03 - YouTube

Not shown on video after the circuit upgrades was using the flat spiral coil as a receiver with 2x 2" 70W speakers and 8" 150W subwoofer load, although obviously not at full power because I'm not even using that much power anyway. Everything is powered remotely, from the transmitter. Signal or no signal, speaker or light bulb.

It doesn't make sense to me that you are complaining that microwatts (or mW or whatever) works, when it should be watts? If it works with a few mW then it will certainly work with watts of input power.

You are not going to transmit much of anything with a 2n2222. Yes there will be an EM, but Tesla coils are not very good EM radiators. It's Not how they were intended to work!

I didn't expect to, it was a very simple experiment not intended to transmit huge amounts of power over vast distances. Just enough to test.

I'm not claiming that the thing is radiating EM, you have been saying that, and disputing the idea of Telluric transmission.

The Transmitter and receiver were too close> there is a very good possibility of mutual induction

Except there's not, which is proven by the fact that the coils aren't moved, and the LEDs are on when there is 20cm between the earth rods, and the LEDs are off when there is 100cm between the earth rods. Equally the receiver earth rod can be pushed deeper or shallower and the output varied like using a dimmer, observable in real time on the bench. So as far as I'm concerned absolutely not mutual induction. That's not shown on any video but that's how it is nonetheless.

Here's a challenge:
Tesla transmitter on one end of a football field and the receiver on the other.
pump in a 100 watts. See how much power can be retrieved at the Tesla receiver.

There will be tests coming, but it's also not that simple because apart from the coils you'd need a good ground connection to expect any kind of efficient transmission. You can't just stick a rod in the ground and be done with it.

[jimm]

Proper scientific proceedure

Dr Green:

Just took a look at the URL Tesla Wireless Telluric Transmission Test-01 - In The Snow - YouTube

The Transmitter and receiver were too close> there is a very good possibility of mutual induction, not to discount the ground currents, but it could have been done in way that better exemplifies the effect.

Here's a challenge:
Tesla transmitter on one end of a football field and the receiver on the other.
pump in a 100 watts. See how much power can be retrieved at the Tesla receiver.

Lighting bulbs, running motors, watt meters etc would be proof positive of POWER transfer. Anything less is well....yaaaawn.... ZZZZZZZZ.
Been there, done that, with all of the other stuff...

[jimm]

Do you know the wire length of your coil? Calculate propagation velocity from that, not L and C.

I have notes, but my interest was only recently rekindled, so find them and let you know.

Yes but I'm not talking about the distance between the "antennas" as you say. I mean the distance between the earth terminals.

Earth terminals, top caps, whatever. where there is one, you must have the other, right? According to Tesla, POWER should be able to be transmitted through the earth and "rarefied air" over "great distances" ( hunreds, or even thousands of miles with very little loss). He also had a plan for "denser media" such as at Wardenclyfe. Read the patents, it's all there.

When Tesla spoke of power, he was referring to something like the being able to light a small bulb on the beach to demonstrate WATTS in the Tesla receiver rather than micro watts or maybe picowatts.
The whole concept was that the TRANSMITTER powers the remote RECEIVER. No CW radio should be required. In fact even a watt output would have fried the radio's front end.

Have you watched the video in question?

Tesla wanted to transmit INDUSTRIAL QUANTITIES power without wires. Certainly a scale model could be made to muster a watt or two.

I believe it was Tesla who claimed 98% or so efficiency of his own system.

I don't see what lighting bulbs on the beach has to do with it? If you can receive a signal, then just increase the power and a bulb will work, the principle is the same.


If you have coils then you should be able to do it and see it all yourself. Any old coil will work to demonstrate the basic principle, it's the basis upon which the whole thing works so it's not an elusive thing to discover. Apparently it doesn't need VLF or millions of volts, this was done using a very experimental arrangement with a 2N2222 transistor amplifier and not even a heatsync.

Yes it was Tesla. That's who's system we are talking about , right?
Getting an RF signal from point A to point B with massive losses is Marconi EM radio.

You are not going to transmit much of anything with a 2n2222. Yes there will be an EM, but Tesla coils are not very good EM radiators. It's Not how they were intended to work!

[dR-Green]

Dr. Green,

It's great to have diagrams to accompany an explanation!
It all looked pretty good for a basic test setup. The weakest link is the generator used. The diagram does not indicate a frequency counter, so I assume that your measurements relied solely on the dial calibration of the signal generator? It could be off...

I have used similar methods, but also use square wave "ringing" tests with resistive coupling rather than capacitive. The wave form is monitored with an oscilloscope using 17pf probes that are clipped over the insulation of the coil or lain close to the coil, further minimizing capacitive loading.

That's Eric's diagram for the general test setup. Personally I'm using a DDS signal generator with frequency display.

Do you know the wire length of your coil? Calculate propagation velocity from that, not L and C.

I agree with you. ( attenuation by the inverse of distance squared).

Yes but I'm not talking about the distance between the "antennas" as you say. I mean the distance between the earth terminals.

You said:

E.D's demo on the beach was just the reception of an RF carrier. The tone was produced by the radio's BFO. It's just a radio hooked up to a novel tuned antenna, nothing special. At that distance a coil of wire and a ground would have had the same result.

By your thinking, why would it matter whether I have the earth terminals 20cm apart, or 100cm apart? What difference would it make?

However , E.D. claims that the Tesla systems (EricAnderson too!) were nearly lossless and instantaneous. His demo failed to show that. It was just EM radio 101 with the well known losses, otherwise he would have lit the bulbs on the beach.
I have never seen a demo where lossless instantaneous transmission has been accomplished, although I would like to. Lots of talk about telluric this, dielectric that, etc, but nobody to my knowledge, has made it work to date.

I'm on the fence about whether this is promoted by snake oil salesmen to get money donations,sell books, etc. or if there MIGHT be something to it.

I believe it was Tesla who claimed 98% or so efficiency of his own system.

I don't see what lighting bulbs on the beach has to do with it? If you can receive a signal, then just increase the power and a bulb will work, the principle is the same.

If you have coils then you should be able to do it and see it all yourself. Any old coil will work to demonstrate the basic principle, it's the basis upon which the whole thing works so it's not an elusive thing to discover. Apparently it doesn't need VLF or millions of volts, this was done using a very experimental arrangement with a 2N2222 transistor amplifier and not even a heatsync.

Tesla Wireless Telluric Transmission Test-01 - In The Snow - YouTube

The other holes in the ground are a result of testing various distances and observing the difference in the receiver output. A very curious effect if one is under the impression that the energy is going through the air...

What were you trying to do with your coil?

Testing and gathering data on a small scale before getting bigger with specific applications.

[garrettm4]

Jimm,

Thanks for the informative reply!

You can actually eliminate the "primary" altogether and drive the extra coil with the balun directly called "base loading". Tesla used air core couplings with a k factor as high as 0.6 on his primary/secondary with excellent results. We can do a lot better with modern ferrites. You have to match the impedance of the secondary to the characteristic impedance of the coil at resonance for best results.

You can also drive the extra coil with just the "hot wire" of a high dV/dt source, such as an impulse coil or Guillemin line.

Using a balun does NOT contain all of the "voodoo" of the system, only in the balun torroid itself, the extra coil will radiate.
I suggest that you build a Faraday cage from chicken wire and Earth ground it to reduce or eliminate radio interference.

I agree that the coils on the other side of the balun will still radiate--not much a balun can do for that, my original reason to use the balun was to minimize the transmission line's stray radiation, from the RF source to the driving point, due to common mode currents appearing on the unbalanced line.

A sphere, plate or torrid, etc., in space with no nearby conductor to terminate the capacitor is referred to as an isotropic capacitor .

Awesome, I didn't know that's what they were called. Everything on the topic I've come across reefers to isolated conductor surfaces as "self-capacitance" ("mutual-capacitance" is then described as the charge shared between two or more surfaces) or "free-space capacitance", which is rather confusing when people use the same terms for other situations and meanings.

Without the very high voltage electrostatics at the top cap and VLF, all that is left is EM, IMO. That's why the "beach demo" was EM radio.

I think the point of the telluric system is "ground current", the "beach demo" was to show that this mode of RF reception is possible. However I could be wrong. The main modes of RF reception require either line of sight for direct transmission or through a system of refractions/reflections off of the various layers of the atmosphere and physical features of the earth. Also there are "ground waves" as well, which propagate close to the surface of the Earth ,not to be confused with the telluric earth currents. Subsequently, modern RF reception is due to "air waves" not telluric coupling through the earth "medium", which is what Eric is attempting to show. If you feel I'm misguided, feel free to call me out.

Also, I think the terminal capacitance, as dR Green has pointed out, is to contain the RF energy at the open end and assist in pushing RF current into the ground connection. Although I could be wrong here as well.

[jimm]

Here I am seeing the same old mind virus entering the organism again -
"Tesla Transmission is EM Radiation" but Tesla says otherwise. I guess Tesla was stupid, well is he?

(Note that a common frequency is 1860 KC, the one hundredth harmonic of Alexanderson's setup in Bolinas - KET)

Also, like a coyote, you cannot "cage" the unit, it must have a capacitance to outer space, not Earthly surfaces. I think Dr. Green shows this.

As a side note, my laboratory organization is being hi-jacked by Giant Negros From Mars, but I am trying to set it back on it's B.T. L. course. Wish Me Luck!

Mind Virus???

Without the very high voltage electrostatics at the top cap and VLF, all that is left is EM, IMO. That's why the "beach demo" was EM radio.
Tesla was rather specific on this. ( I read his works and patents, not just internet dogma)
Just because something looks like a Tesla coil, doesn't mean that it is operating as intended.
Yes, a rx/tx pair would need to be "uncaged" to work...or would they if they work on the aether rather than EM?

I am looking forward to seeing the elusive longitudinal mode in operation.

Good luck with the "martians"

[t-rex]

Here I am seeing the same old mind virus entering the organism again -
"Tesla Transmission is EM Radiation" but Tesla says otherwise. I guess Tesla was stupid, well is he?

(Note that a common frequency is 1860 KC, the one hundredth harmonic of Alexanderson's setup in Bolinas - KET)

Also, like a coyote, you cannot "cage" the unit, it must have a capacitance to outer space, not Earthly surfaces. I think Dr. Green shows this.

As a side note, my laboratory organization is being hi-jacked by Giant Negros From Mars, but I am trying to set it back on it's B.T. L. course. Wish Me Luck!

[jimm]

TC base loading

To Garettm4:

You can actually eliminate the "primary" altogether and drive the extra coil with the balun directly called "base loading". Tesla used air core couplings with a k factor as high as 0.6 on his primary/secondary with excellent results. We can do a lot better with modern ferrites. You have to match the impedance of the secondary to the characteristic impedance of the coil at resonance for best results.

Using a balun does NOT contain all of the "voodoo" of the system, only in the balun torroid itself, the extra coil will radiate.
I suggest that you build a Faraday cage from chicken wire and Earth ground it to reduce or eliminate radio interference.

A sphere, plate or torrid, etc., in space with no nearby conductor to terminate the capacitor is referred to as an isotropic capacitor .

[David G Dawson]

Tesla Magnification Receiver

Tesla Magnification Receiver:
I have made a correction to one of Eric's drawings which I find is not required:



This allows you to know that firstly your system is working as a 'Magnifying Transmitter' and secondly you do not require any attachment whatsoever back to the main setup and you can go wander in the woods without restriction.
In a passive mode my distance so far is 20" maximum for reception.

What we have here in this pickup head is the same as was developed by Dr Thomas Henry Moray as he used in his powered radio receiver when he invented the transistor.
His work with Germanium, Bismuth, Tin and other metals, led to the development of the transistor which was stolen from him and incorrectly accredited to others at Bell laboratories.
Consequently, we now forget his front end work as we have the Germanium 1N34s and similar to do the initial detecting, amplifying and rectifying functions.

What is coming together on my bench is a radio receiver that uses the 1N34s and will power a 2" speaker without the use of batteries.
This will make the front end of the Moray replication where NO batteries are being used.
However, Eric's 'Cosmic Ray Detector' may be a later and modified option to this means as both are utilising the same energy.

I have been collecting octal Vacuum Tube bases and now ready for an assault on the Moray project.

Smokey

[David G Dawson]

Cosmic Ray Detector

1. For small capacitance like 10 pico-farad the potential required to trigger tube will be kilovolts. The particles of radiant matter will be but a small fraction of a picofarad, but have a very high potential.

2. The shape of the curve for trigger voltage vs capacitance is very important for study.

3. The phototube may work better outdoors for certain experiments.

4. The Western Electric 313-C is similar to 0A4-G

OK, I understand and that is why you called for a 10kV source which had me puzzled but should have woken up.
Have the gear still set up and will retest.
The photocell environment had me also thinking and will take it out into the daylight for effect.

Smokey

[David G Dawson]

Karl Schappeller

The Physics of The Primary Sate of Matter - Karl Schappeller - first written in 1942:

http://free-energy-info.co.uk/Davson.pdf

Quick read sees sympathy with Walter Russell.

This is from Patrick Kelly's old site which has been closed down but this must be a mirror.

Lots of base material here:

Free-Energy Devices, zero-point energy, and water as fuel

Smokey

[garrettm4]

Madhatter,

I liked what you had to say in regards to everyone picking a single frequency and sharing results. Right now, I'm in the process of making a higher frequency test model, if you know of a good frequency to use, let me know and I'll build for it and map out its characteristics.

To everyone Else,

Does anyone drive their primary loops with a matching balun (also used to convert from unbalanced RF source to balanced primary--prevents inadvertently radiating RF energy and other voodoo)? I would recomend this as the impedance of the primary is usually nowhere near that of the driving source, also some stripline from the RF source to the balun / primary would be much better than using alligator clips or random wire. Just some thoughts.

Now some more rambling for anyone who cares:

I was doing some examination of coil properties and was thinking about how the jacket of the coax, used in the secondary and extra coil, decreases the spacial distribution of a traveling wave (contracts the wavelength while frequency remains the same--effectively slowing down the propagating wave) due to the energy being compressed by the jacket's greater than free-space permittivity. Does anyone take this into account when building a coil? As it would effectively make the coil appear electrically longer than a jacket-less counterpart. Also, the mutual capacitance in-between turns is modified by this as well, and it isn't an easy calculation to correct for--as you have a discontinuous medium with cylindrical geometry (would be much easier to calculate for a flat plate condition).

Also, I came across "free-space" capacitance, capacitance of a single surface in empty space (for common example, a solitary sphere in space--having an outer sphere placed at infinite distance), and starting thinking about Eric's L, M, C & K coil parameters. Say you find the "free-space capacitance" [1] of a unit length of the coils wire and also find the unit length of the coils partial inductance (not "loop inductance"--as this is an open structure), where unit length could be (turn length)/10 or smaller, you could then define the straight wire impedance as sqrt(L/C). Next using Robert Weavers adaptation of Snows Helix formula for loop inductance, you could then calculate the total mutual inductance of the coil based on pitch, number of turns and length. Following that you find the inter-turn capacitance using the diagram that Weaver shows in his paper, where you cut the cylinder down one side and lay it flat to reveal an array of diagonal lines from which calculation of mutual capacitance would be pretty straight forward. The mutual parameters would yield an admittance sqrt(M/K). Since energy flows through both the impedance and the admittance of the coils geometry an angle is formed indicating the magnitude of energy flow through each. Very similar to the vector diagram for resistance and reactance used for finding impedance.

([1] Since mutual capacitance will probably overwhelm the value of free-space capacitance the mutual capacitance in-between a section of each turn could be used instead)

From what I understand, Eric designed the geometry of the test coils to get a pi/2 velocity factor--its not something that's intrinsic. Velocity factors in excess or less than this are easily obtainable. However, it would seem a Vf of pi/2 has certain properties that are desirable to implement. While I'm not certain of this, but it could be that when you have a Vf of pi/2 the energy flow across the coils two paths would be equal. Which, if Eric's theory of there being two rotating components of the Poynting vector, related to L, C, M & K distinct energy movements, then when this specific velocity factor is reached the two counter rotating Poynting fluxes cancel leaving a longitudinal component.

I want to remind everyone that this is purely my hypothesis of whats going on from what I've read and thought about.

[jimm]

experiments

Dr. Green,

It's great to have diagrams to accompany an explanation!
It all looked pretty good for a basic test setup. The weakest link is the generator used. The diagram does not indicate a frequency counter, so I assume that your measurements relied solely on the dial calibration of the signal generator? It could be off...

I have used similar methods, but also use square wave "ringing" tests with resistive coupling rather than capacitive. The wave form is monitored with an oscilloscope using 17pf probes that are clipped over the insulation of the coil or lain close to the coil, further minimizing capacitive loading.

You seem to understand how the signal was produced/transmitted, so what did you expect to be done differently in that respect? The coil is the same however you choose to power it. An unmodulated carrier is the transmission of power. I can't say what was done 15 years ago but I've sure seen enough in my own experiments through the fact that the amount of power received varies depending on the distance between the transmitter and receiver earth terminals. The coils remain in the same place the whole time, distance between the "antennas" makes no difference.

I agree with you. ( attenuation by the inverse of distance squared). However , E.D. claims that the Tesla systems (EricAnderson too!) were nearly lossless and instantaneous. His demo failed to show that. It was just EM radio 101 with the well known losses, otherwise he would have lit the bulbs on the beach.
I have never seen a demo where lossless instantaneous transmission has been accomplished, although I would like to. Lots of talk about telluric this, dielectric that, etc, but nobody to my knowledge, has made it work to date.

I'm on the fence about whether this is promoted by snake oil salesmen to get money donations,sell books, etc. or if there MIGHT be something to it.

What were you trying to do with your coil?

[madhatter]

Thinking out loud

I'm wondering about tertiary location, the earths capacitance and magnetic fields along with the solar location will have an effect. It may be small it may be enough to cause some adjustments to be made.

If everyone picked a singular frequency to work with and then reported the results along with the XYZ & t coordinates (t=time & date) then more progress could be made. Personally I found the higher frequency easier to build and test then a large 1 kilo cycle rig.

were dealing with the electrostatic field once the magnetic field is rotated. electrostatics is a field unto it's own. It may prove to be very difficult to build a rig to work on a small scale, Tesla was not working on small but large enormous amounts of power transportation. scale is indeed a factor here. that doesn't mean size scale but power scale.