Eric Dollard

[mikrovolt]

dR_greene uses the long hand approach which is used to verify if his
replication matches. When he asks questions and there is no reply we wonder
if the steps taken to solve this are identical ? This is why we watch how this is done.
I am not sure if there is another hang up? Is this so difficult ? Is it because the test points
and the test set up are in question ? Possibly dR-greene needs to publish an illustrated guide
on the specific steps he used to derive his replication?

In Bolinas the offensive mentality had no right to damage the artifacts. It appears that the real estate development company claims it was for a cancer support center. This is a question of intent that has not been satisfied. It appears the next generation were bound by loyalty that disregards the advancement of technology. Truly a waste of very unique and valuable equipment. Something like an RCA making a trust that specified the complex use. Dollard remained at the main site during the demolishion. The other radio sites recieved help and went along with this ?

Concidering the hierarchy of Mathematics domain such as Berkley. Not being on a level playing field can be a challenge.
I wonder if Dollard's equations will simply remain as an archive. Possibly a Matlab version would be ignored for the same
reasons ?

[orgonaut314]

Personally I am working on the understanding of the tesla coil simplified to differential equations and lumped circuits.

This is the way Steinmetz saw the Tesla coil according to the book fourquandrantrepresentation from Eric.


I am trying to be absolutely sure that it simplifies to the shunt concatenated network. Eric says this in his earlier writings but I try to convince myself.


In the first picture we simple can spot K and there is no question that K is right in the second picture. But I am contemplating on M. In the first picture it is the trafo inductance between L1 and L2. But can it be represented by a simple coil M? My first feeling is yes it can and the shunt concatenated network is a correct simplification. Any thoughts anyone?

[orgonaut314]

Then we have the displacement current problem. Maxwell thinks that both a changing electric field and a moving charge create magnetic fields If we think about this for a second we can determine that it is false. Suppose you look at a charge moving inside a wire. According to Maxwell, that moving charge will create a current. Now let's also look at the electric field outside of the wire. According to Maxwell, if the electric field is varying, we'll see the exact same amount of current generated by the electric field around the wire... In other words, if what Maxwell says is true, then we'd be seeing twice the amount of inductance around a wire than we already see...

Hi Natusake. Your points are generally right about using models. However spice does not use maxwell. It sums currents and voltages like every engineer should do and calculates the results. Of cause it only works if we agree that a cap does not create energy or a coil does not create energy. Normally they do not so than spice is an advanced calculator to get some insight.

He but your point about Maxwell is interesting. I you allow me to give my point of view on this read on. Maxwell describes the magnetic field as a result of both displacement current and normal current. You have to realise that there is a direction of those currents involved. The normal current runs along the wire and the magnetic field is around the wire according to Maxwell. The displacement current is in the direction of the electric field of the wire so it is directed at right angles to the wire to where the electric field of the wire points. generally it is to the opposite wire carrying the back current. So the displacement current is at right angles to the wire and the magnetic field that is associated is in another direction than the magnetic field around the wire. At very high frequencies this displacement energy is radiated away because we have an antenna.

So your experiment is based on a wrong assumption of the displacement current being in the same direction as the normal current.

However it is interesting to investigate the magnetic field in a capacitor. According to Eric energy disappears into counterspace and oscillates back inside a capacitor. So that would make the remaining transversal energy much less than expected and actually the magnetic field seems less than expected but the accuracy of the measurements is poor and my sources of info are not very reliable. To bad I do not have equipment to do measurements myself with squids (super conductive elements).

[BroMikey]

But the easiest way to disprove this is to simply test it yourself. Take a capacitor and place an inductor between the plates. Then measure the magnetic field of the inductor. Then replace the capacitor with a wire and put the wire inside the loop. Measure the magnetic field again. Maxwell predicts these currents to be equal. If you see a substantial difference between the magnetic field between a capacitor and the magnetic field around a wire, then congratulations, realize Maxwell and the physicists are nuts and don't even fully test their own theories.

Now that makes me LOL. The scientific University level of understanding

is = to monkey's counting apples and oranges while fighting over them

and throwing them at one another. That is so simple it is funny.

[Natusake]

To be honest it does not even take the magic away as the lefthanded network is interesting to study. I believe it models the longitudional transmission of a wave in the Coulomb lines like Eric mentioned. I have not discovered counter space yet but I do see that that the wave in a left handed transmission network has a reverse relation between frequency and wavelength. It can be described with the Maxwell equations using a negative mu and negative epsilon.

Here's the problem with using simulations. Because we don't completely understand electricity, our models are incomplete. As a result, our simulations will only correctly map what we've correctly modeled. But we haven't correctly modeled everything, and there are numerous effects which Maxwell's equations simply do not account for, or just get completely false.

For example, you cannot take the self-inductance of a single loop of wire using Faraday's Law. It simply isn't possible. This is pretty important, because if you can't take the self-inductance of a loop, then you can't take the self-inductance of anything accurately without using some sort of erroneous mutual inductance model. Not to mention that Faraday's Law and Kirchoff's Law contradict each other.

Then we have the displacement current problem. Maxwell thinks that both a changing electric field and a moving charge create magnetic fields If we think about this for a second we can determine that it is false. Suppose you look at a charge moving inside a wire. According to Maxwell, that moving charge will create a current. Now let's also look at the electric field outside of the wire. According to Maxwell, if the electric field is varying, we'll see the exact same amount of current generated by the electric field around the wire... In other words, if what Maxwell says is true, then we'd be seeing twice the amount of inductance around a wire than we already see...

But the easiest way to disprove this is to simply test it yourself. Take a capacitor and place an inductor between the plates. Then measure the magnetic field of the inductor. Then replace the capacitor with a wire and put the wire inside the loop. Measure the magnetic field again. Maxwell predicts these currents to be equal. If you see a substantial difference between the magnetic field between a capacitor and the magnetic field around a wire, then congratulations, realize Maxwell and the physicists are nuts and don't even fully test their own theories.

[orgonaut314]

How does Spice work. Some of you might wonder if Spice is some evil machine that does things we do not understand for those some simple explanations.

Spice use Kirchhoffs laws and solves a great number of simultaneous equations.

If I draw a simple network like the longitudional network Eric showed Spice calculates the currents and voltages equations following Kirchhoffs laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirchh...s_circuit_laws

Now we could do that by hand by saying
"The sum of the emfs in any closed loop is equivalent to the sum of the potential drops in that loop."
and
"The algebraic sum of currents in a network of conductors meeting at a point is zero."

But the computer does this much faster. There is nothing more to it. No magic, no evil and much more accurate with less turds than a human can produce.

Oh and Tesla calculated a lot. Look at the Colorado spring notes. They are full of calculations that Tesla spend long afternoons on calculating. He would have loved Spice if it had been available.

[orgonaut314]

Hi Eric. You seem to be afraid of constructive criticism. I am glad you still read this and you should have seen my experiments and everything I say is based on experiments. By calling me names you try to make me less important. Does it hurt very much to see that you have made mistakes (little turds) in your writings? I have pointed out a few in the past. Even your design for the vacuum amp is flawed because it does not do 3MHz.

But put your head in the dirt again. You only friend dr-Green was never insulted by me. We had an experimental difference. My calculations using an advanced calculator (using only Kirchhoffs laws) showed my results to be promising. No structural comment from you I see. To bad. Back to hating everyone and turning friends in enemies by calling them names. When will you learn that that does not work? Is a coyote to old to learn?

But by now you will not be so angree anymore but you have to keep up appearance. I wish you no harm and am thankfull for the learning experience. I do criticise the mistakes and I do think we can go further than where you are right now. My study of the backward wave or left handed transmission line seems promising. These old 4th order differential equations (steinmetz) are solved these days for the both modes and that does not need versors

The fase speed is negative for a backward wave the group speed is positive. The wavelength is reverse depending on omega for a backward wave. The speed is a total weired number. But there is much more. See these publications made by a theoretical physicist living near me where I studied physics. Yeah now I am the enemy a physics guy lol Sorry for small typos tried to correct is not my natural language.

Best wishes and hope you find it to forgive me for bluntly criticising the work done here. My opinion is that the truth justifies this.
http://www.dspe.nl/cms_file.php?from...&forceDownload
In english
http://xlab.me.berkeley.edu/MURI/Kickoff/Jan25/Itoh.pdf

[t-rex]

Orgonut NFG 2324

I am not part of the Internem, people write me "question letters."

You seem to be letting your software do your thinking for you, and then demand answers of me on a media of which I am not part of. You do not seem to contribute any hardware or other tangibles, only abstractions & noise.

Moreover, you assail the most prominent experimenter on this channel; dR_Green, and ignore his observations.

Yet, your butt tightens up when you get a taste of your own medicine, such as your "Bolinas Name." Orgonut. Is it ever any other way?

dR_Green indeed has a cat turn stuck in his shoe!

When I return to the forest or start digging pole holes again, you have no meaning.

QRT DE N6KPH

[orgonaut314]

Ok I want to express what I have been doing one more time and perhaps more clearly because it seems there is some misunderstanding.

I have been reading this document: Pt.3 - Algebra - Eric Dollard SFTS Powerpoint
It can be downloaded after a search on google.

In this document very clearly Eric says the following about the Tesla coil being the shunt concatenated transmission network.



Eric refers to fig 4,5 and 6.

This is fig 5:


Now I have build this shunt concatenated network with 5 elements in the simulator program pspice.
PSPICE 9.1 student version

You can download spice and use it for free. The only limitation is the number of components you use but that is not important in this situation.

In spice I simulated the Tesla coil and produced exactly the same resonance characteristics as Eric has posted in fig 5. Look back in my posts to find it.

Now my conclusion was that the Tesla coil I have build would have a similar resonance characteristic as this simulation the only thing unknown would be the exact vallues for the coils and caps to use. A measurement of the resonance characteristic proved that to be true. Now drGreen steps up and says his coil does not behave that way but behaves more like a normal 1/4 wave that you can build by building a concatenated network of a normal transmission line with the coils in series and the caps shunted.

Now my suggestion is that dr Green might use to little inter capacitance thereby making the shunt capacitor to little. The coil would be reduced to a normal transmission line. I used litze he used small solid wires (not coax).

Now this suggestion is put to an end by Eric calling me a nut. To me it seems contradictionary to approve of the measurements of drGreen and not note that it contradicts Eric's earlier studies of the Tesla coil.

Now everyone is able to understand this check it and form your own opinion. With spice you can simulate the Alexanderson antenna Eric describes in the document too. He gives al values so you can see how it behaves before you build it.

To be honest it does not even take the magic away as the lefthanded network is interesting to study. I believe it models the longitudional transmission of a wave in the Coulomb lines like Eric mentioned. I have not discovered counter space yet but I do see that that the wave in a left handed transmission network has a reverse relation between frequency and wavelength. It can be described with the Maxwell equations using a negative mu and negative epsilon.

[orgonaut314]

Ok serious again. One question for mister Dollard. Should the electric and the magnetic field on a Tesla coil be in space conjunction or in space disjunction?

I am measuring the conjunction for which I am called a nut? drGreen is measuring a disjunction. With conjunction I mean electric and magnetic field are max on the top of the coil like in a longitudional network.

This single question was the origin of a dispute and I think it is not solved yet. Calling me names does not solve it too. If I happen to measure this as the only one should that not raise questions about how my coil was constructed? Or is your opinion that everything is known about the coils and that diverging results must be ignored and bullied away?

Here my coil is described, I used litz wires not many do so.
http://www.energeticforum.com/eric-d...ollard-46.html

Orgonaut secondary coil analysis

Diameter = 25.5cm
Height = 5.1cm
Number Of Turns = 20

Conductor length = 16.02 Metres
Luminal Wavelength = 64.08 Metres

Free Space Propagation = 102%
Measured Propagation = 68.62%

Free Space Frequency = 4771.345 kc
Luminal Frequency = 4677.789 kc
Measured Frequency = 3210 kc

Self Capacitance = 17.85pF
Burdened Capacitance = 39.43pF

Effective Capacitance for sine quarter wave distribution:
Steinmetz = 25.1pF
Miller = 31.96pF

Self Inductance = 154.45µH

Effective Inductance for cosine quarter wave current distribution:
Steinmetz = 98.32µH
Miller = 77.22µH

Characteristic Impedance:
Steinmetz = 1978.98 Ohms
Miller = 1554.28 Ohms

I use seven very thin wires hardly twisted so I would not call it litze. Because it is very thin I hope the skin effect will not slow the wave down. The total volume was matched to the primary, this way the surface area was larger than with foil but there is less dielectric material!

[orgonaut314]

Her pspice for Eric
The analoque computer version.

[orgonaut314]

To bad Eric starts calling names in stead of giving answers to the questions raised. The left handed transmission line is studied very well by mathematicians. I think these results could be used to explain the Tesla coil that is mainly a longitudional network. Or am I saying something nutty right now

Erics papers just stop at a certain point where he can not solve the equation for a lefthanded network it seems. But mathematics has evolved and the solutions are readily available to study.

Perhaps the only problem is that this all becomes so simple. You can even moddel it in pspice. You do not even have to build the coils to get some understanding.

Another point that I did not even publish on is the tube amplifier Eric advises based on the 6sn7 and the 6080 or 6az7. That thing won't do 3 MHz pspice tells me. Perhaps do some pspice modern analyses yourself Eric? Or just ****ing up the head of little students? The world is evolving further even if you stick your head in the eh...soil.

[Aaron]

ldrancer

If ldrancer posts in this thread one more time, I will ban him - this is the only warning.

[BroMikey]

Hi Aaron:
Please get rid of this "Idrancer" individual. He does not belong to this forum. He insults members and that kind of behavior has no place on our forum. Some members working very hard on different projects and they deserve help and positive feedback and not some negative pigeon English commentary.
This current tread is going on for over 4 years, so keep it going in a civilized manner.

Yes I agree that people should be warned and given ample time to

be civil then removed if all they do is disrupt but mental illness

is on the rise these days. Keep in mind that the young kids today

have no moral code of fairness or common curtsy and if that is not

an illness I don't know what is. Aaron like all others here need to be

encouraged and built up, myself included.

Eric and others have stated for the record that they are use to

their generation of men who are careful and operate with

common decency. Eric says these younger folks are barbarians.

The truth is they are full of unholy spirits.

It is truly a gut wrenching battle to endure.

We are highly scientific individuals here, so this display of

continued deliberate disruptive hate mongering is keeping

us from moving forward.

Aaron will as always do what is needed to stop this nonsense.

[mikrovolt]

I am fairly certain it is the conditions of daily life today.
The "Cantina Scene"