What was supposed to come from Eric Dollards lab?

[albertMunich]

I have read thru many of the posts exposing the terrible mess about Eric Dollard and the campaign to get a lab for him.

I believe that the basic difficulty is that all the people who have participated in this have not sat together and set up a roadmap.Some very basic questions need to be answered and agreed upon before any campaign for fund raising is started. Some people have gone into this rather blue eyed...

Here are some of the questions people should have asked themselves.

What do we want to do?

We want to get E. Dollard out of his difficult situation and set up a laboratory for him where he can realize the technology he has so far only spoken about in theory.

If funds come in who is to " keep the bank" and be the bookkeeper? Has a company been set up and who are the participants?

You have to have some kind of framework for something like this, to protect your own involvement and also the interests of Mr Dollard.
Did he agree to do this work up front? Did he sign any contract with anyone?

Did any of you have a clear understanding of what you were gettin into?

You are dealing with a man who has by his long life experience become understandably very careful about sharing what he believes to be his secrets with anyone. If these secrets are of a disrupting nature all the more so. If he sits on an intellectual bombshell that is locked in his brain the resulting blowup will change ALL your lives. As it looks, this has already begun BEFORE any "secrets" or working prototypes were revealed or built.

What is to come out of this lab and the whole process?

A useable free energy technology- should this result be open source for everyone or will the people who donated the money have any rights to it? Will the donations be paid back if there are profits from the work of the lab?

Theoretical papers and BASIC research into the nature of electricity. Will these papers be published open source or again who will be the "agent" or the editor for Mr Dollard?
I believe that beside the personality clashes nobody had a very clear idea of what they were getting themselves into. Who has responsibility, who will profit from the whole thing and who will bear the load if the thing misfires?

Calling horse and rider is the only way to get out of this mess.
In the end it will be Mr Dollards decision what to do.
Even if he has alcohol and/or drug problems I believe him to be one of the brightest minds to have tackled the basic questions of electricity. His past posts in this forum show that to continue working with him will be worth the effort and the heartburns.

Remember that "good intentions" which have turned sour may lead to terrible feelings of hatred and enmity. I do not see a diabolically evil person at work here but clashes of personalities who try to do things their own way. Get your stuff sorted out!

I wish all of you the best and hope we will see a solution. There is work to do and time is running damn short. So you should try to find a solution soon.

[wayne.ct]

Wake up a smell the roses

Hi Albert,

I sincerely hope you yourself get your act together and wish you had put your comment in such a way that it did not make you appear to be a dope and/or a troll. When I read your post, it made me wonder who you are fronting for and what do you really want. The way you come across in your post, you are asking for a personal attack. So, let me get that part out of the way. You are a troll and you must be an idiot for putting together such an incoherent and forked-tongue comment. I will now put all that aside and put forth an answer to your comments and questions.

I have read thru many of the posts exposing the terrible mess about Eric Dollard and the campaign to get a lab for him.

I believe that the basic difficulty is that all the people who have participated in this have not sat together and set up a roadmap.

You are not going to see these participants sit down together because this is an online forum. What are you thinking? Such a group will not take responsibility to create a roadmap. Do you think anyone is going to easily dictate such a plan to Eric?

Some very basic questions need to be answered and agreed upon before any campaign for fund raising is started. Some people have gone into this rather blue eyed...

This sort of comment makes unwarranted assumptions. Each donor or investor needs to engage in a due process evaluation of the proposed venture and assess their personal motivation for participation. To expect or require some sort of agreement implies the participant desires to invest and not simply donate. Regardless of your personal motivation and selfish interest, some people will want to donate from altruistic motives. The perception here of you is that your are selfish and/or greedy. Good luck to you if all you can visualize is how you can personally gain from Eric's work.

Here are some of the questions people should have asked themselves.

What do we want to do?

Thanks for unselfishly (and hypocritically) including everyone else in your personal agenda. But, no thanks, I don't want to be included in your delusion.

We want to get E. Dollard out of his difficult situation and set up a laboratory for him where he can realize the technology he has so far only spoken about in theory.

Do you have personal knowledge that all he has is theory? At a surface level, why would his lab be vandalized if all he has is theory? Again, do you have personal knowledge of this? Or, are you exaggerating for effect?

If funds come in who is to " keep the bank" and be the bookkeeper? Has a company been set up and who are the participants?

Has Eric asked for investors? How can you invest if he has not asked for investors? Is Eric ready for investors? It seems like some of the people that are around Eric at this time are trying to take advantage of him instead of helping him. It seems that they are actually trying to cheat him and destroy his reputation. He seems to be trying to repair his operation so he can do the things you suggest. I don't see how you are helping him. Therefore, it would seem you would harm Eric more than help him.

You have to have some kind of framework for something like this, to protect your own involvement and also the interests of Mr Dollard.
Did he agree to do this work up front? Did he sign any contract with anyone?

At this point it does not seem to be an issue of protecting you or me or what you or I may have or be able to contribute. If you are so concerned about protecting yourself, you may simply stand to the side. It is not the right time for this attitude. Where does this talk of agreements and contracts come from? Did he ask you for money? The way I hear it, it was some of his associates that are trying to cheat Eric that were asking for money.

Did any of you have a clear understanding of what you were gettin into?

Some people, it seems, have become involved and will end up losing some money if they actually thought they were somehow investing. If they were intending to donate, however, they probably intended to donate to Eric. If their donation was stolen by some con men, the money was indeed wasted. If you have some money to donate, spend or invest, it is always your responsibility to know who you are giving to. If fraud, theft or negligence can be proven, then the criminals need to be prosecuted.

You are dealing with a man who has by his long life experience become understandably very careful about sharing what he believes to be his secrets with anyone. If these secrets are of a disrupting nature all the more so. If he sits on an intellectual bombshell that is locked in his brain the resulting blowup will change ALL your lives. As it looks, this has already begun BEFORE any "secrets" or working prototypes were revealed or built.

Do you have personal knowledge of this? How do I know you are not lying? He has written a book and spoken about his theories and his experiences. All in one paragraph, you build him up and tear him down. Indeed, I don't see how your claims and statements add up. You are certainly mistaken!

What is to come out of this lab and the whole process?

A useable free energy technology- should this result be open source for everyone or will the people who donated the money have any rights to it?

Here again, you are trying to tell Eric what to do and how to do it. Eric does not have to account to you, unless you have actually invested money in his work. Have you? Are you an investor? How can you demand him to reveal his plans? How can you presume to tell him what he should do? Why should donors expect to have rights to his work? Maybe you think the government should automatically have rights to his work and maybe you think the government should spread those rights around to all the people without compensating the inventor? Is that your thinking?

Will the donations be paid back if there are profits from the work of the lab?

Theoretical papers and BASIC research into the nature of electricity. Will these papers be published open source or again who will be the "agent" or the editor for Mr Dollard?

You are a bossy little creep! Aren't you? You talk like there is no difference between an investment and a donation. You talk like theories and basic research can be patented. Still, they can be copyrighted and open sourced at the discretion of the author. Let Eric decide what, how and when to reveal his notions.

I believe that beside the personality clashes nobody had a very clear idea of what they were getting themselves into. Who has responsibility, who will profit from the whole thing and who will bear the load if the thing misfires?

Calling horse and rider is the only way to get out of this mess.
In the end it will be Mr Dollards decision what to do.

There is an appropriate saying to repeat here: Let the buyer beware! And again, A fool and his money are soon parted!

Even if he has alcohol and/or drug problems I believe him to be one of the brightest minds to have tackled the basic questions of electricity. His past posts in this forum show that to continue working with him will be worth the effort and the heartburns.

How generous of you! (I intend that remark to be sarcasm.)

Remember that "good intentions" which have turned sour may lead to terrible feelings of hatred and enmity. I do not see a diabolically evil person at work here but clashes of personalities who try to do things their own way. Get your stuff sorted out!

Same to you, Albert!

I wish all of you the best and hope we will see a solution. There is work to do and time is running damn short. So you should try to find a solution soon.

I don't know to whom you are addressing this wish, but I at least can agree with that.

[Farmhand]

Wayne.ct, I must say your response to Albert's post was bizarre to say the
least, here below is just two responses and the "Questions" that you responded to.

Here's an example, Albert asked two questions and you interpret that as Albert trying to
tell Eric what to do. How ? Then you go on to imply that Albert is making
demands and other strange things. I see questions from Albert.

Hi Albert,

Quotef albertMunich

What is to come out of this lab and the whole process?

A useable free energy technology- should this result be open source for everyone or will the people who donated the money have any rights to it?

Quotef wayne.ct
Here again, you are trying to tell Eric what to do and how to do it. Eric does not have to account to you, unless you have actually invested money in his work. Have you? Are you an investor? How can you demand him to reveal his plans? How can you presume to tell him what he should do? Why should donors expect to have rights to his work? Maybe you think the government should automatically have rights to his work and maybe you think the government should spread those rights around to all the people without compensating the inventor? Is that your thinking?

Same again Albert asked two questions but you abuse him ? Wow.

When people donate to any charity like a cancer charity they have every
right to know how much of their money will go into administrative or other
costs. It's nice to find out before but there is nothing wrong with asking after.

Quotef albertMunich
Will the donations be paid back if there are profits from the work of the lab?

Theoretical papers and BASIC research into the nature of electricity. Will these papers be published open source or again who will be the "agent" or the editor for Mr Dollard?

Quotef wayne.ct
You are a bossy little creep! Aren't you? You talk like there is no difference between an investment and a donation. You talk like theories and basic research can be patented. Still, they can be copyrighted and open sourced at the discretion of the author. Let Eric decide what, how and when to reveal his notions.

Seems like an emotional and irrational response to the questions to me.

An outsider looking in might assume that you personally have some kind of
involvement in Eric's affairs.

Cheers

[wayne.ct]

Innocent Albert

Wayne.ct, I must say your response to Albert's post was bizarre to say the least

You are too kind. I don't think Albert is the innocent that you see him to be. Albert is quite arrogant and does not show much, if any, sympathy for Eric Dollard. If he had shown any respect for Eric, and had any common sense, he would not be asking these questions. Most people learn to "read the instructions" before jumping to conclusions. I think Albert is being rude and I doubt my rant will have much effect on him.

Here's an example, Albert asked two questions and you interpret that as Albert trying to tell Eric what to do. How? Then you go on to imply that Albert is making demands and other strange things. I see questions from Albert.

You are exactly right! Albert is asking questions that will simply cause problems and result in nothing good. He suggests an answer to his first question, i.e. "useable free energy technology" and then uses the word "should" which introduces a moralistic notion the somehow Albert knows what "should" happen, regardless of the fact that Eric has been variously attacked and victimized in various ways over the years for his discoveries. I don't claim personal knowledge of Eric's work, but Albert is up to nothing good.

Same again Albert asked two questions but you abuse him ? Wow.

You are right on target. You are a better man than I am. Albert does not affect you the way he did me.

When people donate to any charity like a cancer charity they have every right to know how much of their money will go into administrative or other costs. It's nice to find out before but there is nothing wrong with asking after.

There are also many hands reaching out for money where it is easy to see they are crooks and up to no good. There is no need to look deeply into a cess pool to know it is not fit for swimming. Maybe Albert has good intentions, but he need to learn to show more respect. I think he knows exactly what he is up to. If he wants to help improve the state of affairs in regards to this forum, he still has the opportunity to do so.

Seems like an emotional and irrational response to the questions to me.

Emotional, yes. Irrational? I think I have good reason to doubt Albert is seriously interested in what this forum is all about.

An outsider looking in might assume that you personally have some kind of
involvement in Eric's affairs.

It would not be true, but I can see your point. I spent enough time reading about Eric Dollard and his troubles to develop some empathy for the bloke. I don't have first hand knowledge of his affairs, but it all looks very fishy to me. Eric should have the freedom to develop his ideas in his own way as long as he is not abusing the rights of other people. As it stands, people are abusing the rights of Eric Dollard and very few people are standing up for him.