Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[Raui]

So much drama, so little results.

I think I'm joining the camp that acknowledges that the technology is dead. The bad guys won. Our champion is a crazy person. All is lost. This is not an awakening or some sort of revolutionary 2012 meme Morning Dawn. The bad guys won very thoroughly.

Plan B would be an escape plan rather than the prevention plan that would appear to be plan A.

Perhaps it was just my own misconception that made me think everyone was all about plan A. I have to readjust my own paradigm to realize that the strategy is about escape from captivity. "Operation Triage" - stop the hemorrhaging and treat the very worst first. Leave the dead.

I see little to no evidence that the members of this group will be able to capitalize on EPD's communications so as to come up with a device or even a thorough understanding of the theory. EPD's ability to even communicate is really substandard. Imagine you sent your kid to school to learn pre-calculus but the catch is that he/she has to learn this somewhat advanced subject via the exact same way that the 5 dozen or so of us are supposed to be learning arcane and extinct, actively suppressed, and dead technologies. Your child would not learn pre-calculus would he/she? You wouldn't even blame them.

But we're supposed to figure out aforementioned dead technology (with aforementioned active suppression) via this method of spotty and exclusively 1 way transmissions? I would hazard a guess that one way Morse Code that we were supposed to pick up during our dreams would be about as effective. It's a joke. Learning isn't just data availability - it's also facilitation of that data. That's why your school staff is called a "Faculty". EPD is actually incapable of effective data facilitation as it pertains to this current medium.

Perhaps I'm just in a depressed mood after reading the nonsense in the Yahoo group (which I unsubscribed from), but I find the over all scope of what I see here to be lame. I feel it prudent to acknowledge failure and move on to plan B. Cut your losses. Help EPD finish any valuable communications while he still has coherence (triage). Plan for escape from tyranny rather then the revolutionary 2012 blabla overthrow meme. Maybe in 30 years somebody will be able to have some very preliminary results.

Each to their own, but I feel your roll over and die attitude won't get you far. What we are trying to do IS 'escape from captivity' as you put it and just because you don't see results straight away does not mean nothing is happening. Trees don't grow overnight and our intelligence grows in the same way as a tree grows, slowly and with care. If your not willing to invest time into this you will never see fruits for your labor.

I do agree that we need to get a 2 way flow of information for us to learn correctly though, in the same way as living things don't live by only breathing in we don't learn without feedback. You don't need Eric for feedback though, it is very likely that if you actually read the publications Eric references to your understanding about what Eric is trying to portray would be better than what it is now and Internet Archive: Digital Library of Free Books, Movies, Music & Wayback Machine is as far as you'll need to go to get just about every one of these. There is a lot going on behind the scenes where a group of us are trying to correct the situation somewhat but for the time being Eric has said that if you write him a letter he will respond but it seems you've already made your mind up..

Raui

[Aether]

Please, speak for yourself and not myself! Honestly though, the information is there, pioneered by all the men Eric has referenced, it is all a matter of dedicating your time to it to understand what has already been established so long ago, being negative will only lead to one result. Do the work! Nothing is free.

[Pinwheel]

So much drama, so little results.

I think I'm joining the camp that acknowledges that the technology is dead. The bad guys won. Our champion is a crazy person. All is lost. This is not an awakening or some sort of revolutionary 2012 meme Morning Dawn. The bad guys won very thoroughly.

Plan B would be an escape plan rather than the prevention plan that would appear to be plan A.

Perhaps it was just my own misconception that made me think everyone was all about plan A. I have to readjust my own paradigm to realize that the strategy is about escape from captivity. "Operation Triage" - stop the hemorrhaging and treat the very worst first. Leave the dead.

I see little to no evidence that the members of this group will be able to capitalize on EPD's communications so as to come up with a device or even a thorough understanding of the theory. EPD's ability to even communicate is really substandard. Imagine you sent your kid to school to learn pre-calculus but the catch is that he/she has to learn this somewhat advanced subject via the exact same way that the 5 dozen or so of us are supposed to be learning arcane and extinct, actively suppressed, and dead technologies. Your child would not learn pre-calculus would he/she? You wouldn't even blame them.

But we're supposed to figure out aforementioned dead technology (with aforementioned active suppression) via this method of spotty and exclusively 1 way transmissions? I would hazard a guess that one way Morse Code that we were supposed to pick up during our dreams would be about as effective. It's a joke. Learning isn't just data availability - it's also facilitation of that data. That's why your school staff is called a "Faculty". EPD is actually incapable of effective data facilitation as it pertains to this current medium.

Perhaps I'm just in a depressed mood after reading the nonsense in the Yahoo group (which I unsubscribed from), but I find the over all scope of what I see here to be lame. I feel it prudent to acknowledge failure and move on to plan B. Cut your losses. Help EPD finish any valuable communications while he still has coherence (triage). Plan for escape from tyranny rather then the revolutionary 2012 blabla overthrow meme. Maybe in 30 years somebody will be able to have some very preliminary results.

[tao]

I made this image to show in better detail, what I was getting at with my prior post.


edit: I updated the image...

[tao]

Further parameter variations...

The Variation of Inductance and Capacitance With Respect to Time

We have heretofore established a new pair of dimensional relationships. These the magnetic inductance, L, in Henry, and the electro-static capacity, C, in Farad. Derived from these dimensional relations is a pair of electrical laws,

(I) The Law of Dielectric Proportion
The ratio of the quantity of dielectric induction, Psi in Coulomb to the magnitude of the electro-static potential, e, in Volt.

(1) Coulomb per Volt,
Or Farad

(II) The Law of Magnetic Proportion
The ratio of the quantity of magnetic induction, Phi, in Weber, to the magnitude of the M.M.F., i, in Ampere.

(2) Weber per Ampere,
Or Henry

Through algebraic re-arrangement a pair of secondary dimensional relations alternately define, in a new form, the total dielectrtic induction, Psi, in Coulomb, and the total magnetic induction, Phi, in Weber. For the dielectric induction,

(3) Coulomb, or Volt – Farad.

And for the magnetic induction,

(4) Weber, or, Ampere – Henry

Hence, the total dielectric induction, Psi, in Coulomb, is the product of the potential, e, in volt, and the capacitance, C, in Farad. Likewise, the total magnetic induction, Phi, in Weber, is the product of the M.M.F., i, in Ampere, and the inductance, L, in Henry

Psi equals e times C
Phi equals i times L

In the expression of the variation of the parameters which constitute the dimensional relations involving capacitance and inductance, two distinct conditions can exist. First is the capacitance and the inductance arfe time invariant, and the variation with respect to time resides in the relations of potential, e, and of M.M.F., i. Here derived are the suceptance and the reactance. In the alternate form of expression, it is the potential, e, and the M.M.F., i, that are time invariant, and the variation with respect to time resides in the relations of capacitance and inductance as geometric co-efficients. Geometry in time variation.

In general, time invariance of L and C, or time invariance of e and i each can be considered as a limiting case. Each can be in variation with respect to time at their own individual time rates. That is, for the dielectric both C and e can be in variation, and for the magnetic both L and i can be in variation. Consider the A.C. induction motor. Here is form of magnetic inductance in which both the inductance, L, and the M.M.F., i, are in time variation, L with the rotational geometric variation, and i with the rotational variation of M.M.F. The difference between the rotational frequency of i is called the slip frequency. The rotor continuously falls behind the rotation of the magnetic field, dragging energy out of this field and delivering it to the output shaft of the motor.

Considering the pair of primary dimensional relations, it is, for the dielectric induction.

(5) Farad per second, or
Siemens,

And for the magnetic,

(6) Henry per second, or
Ohm,

It is established that a distinct pair of conditions exist with regard to the variation with respect to time. Either the capacitance or inductance is in variation, or the potential or M.M.F. is in variation, with respect to time.

For the condition of time invariant L and C it is given,

(7) Farad per second, or Siemens,
The Suceptance, B,

(8) Henry per second, or Ohm,
The Reactance, X.

In the second case the L and C are in variation with respect to time. The forces, i and e, are held constant, or time invariant. Here the variation with respect to time exists with the Metallic – Dielectric geometry itself. This hereby produces a variation in the geometric co-efficients of capacitance or inductance. These relations are given as,

(9) Farads per second, or Siemens,
The Conductance, G

(10) Henry per second, or Ohm,
The Resistance, R

This CONDUCTANCE, G, and this RESISTANCE, R, represent the relations derived from the time variation of capacitance and from the time variation of inductance, respectively.

It is through this form of parameter variation that the energy stored in the electrical field bounded by the geometric structure is here given to an external form. This is to say, energy is taken out of the electric field and delivered elsewhere.

For a closed system, the energy stored within the electric field is lost, or dissipated, from this system. It is then ENERGY LEAKAGE from the closed system. Considering the condition of a time invariant, or stationary geometric structure, this structure exhibiting the dissipation of the energy stored within the electric field bound by the structure, the conductance, G, and the Resistance, R, are the representations of energy leakage from the dielectric and magnetic fields respectively.

For example, consider one span of a “J carrier” open wire transmission pair. Here the conductance, G, is the “leakage conductance” of the glass telephone insulator, the resistance, R, is the “electronic resistance” of the copperweld telephone wire. These represent the energy dissipation of one span of line.

This conductance, G, represents a “molecular loss” WITHIN the glass of the insulator. This resistance, R, represents a “molecular loss” WITHIN the metal of the wire. Hence it is the molecular losses of the metallic-dielectric geometry itself that gives rise to an energy leakage from a closed system. The molecular agitation and cyclic hysteresis exist within the molecular dimensions of the physical mass of the bounding geometric structure. These consist of a multitude of minute variations of the capacitance and inductance of the geometric form. On a microscopic level the material substance of this form is indefine, a kind of blur in space, due to the multitude of minute variations of positions in space. These tiny motions, hereby through parameter variation, convert the energy stored in the electric field into random patterns of radiation. By experiment it can be shown that this energy leakage exists in proportion to the temperature of the material form storing energy within its bound electric field. In general, the elecro-static potential, e, in Volt, renders the insulators hot, the magneto-motive force, i, in Ampere, renders the wires hot. Also, it is found that this heating increases with increasing frequency of the potential, e, or the M.M.F., i. It is here where the prevailing concept of the “electron” is to be found. Hence it is the motions of the electrons that give rise to the energy loss in an electrical system.

Electrons represent energy dissipation. However, the pedant, the mystic, and the dis-informer all tell us that the electron is what conveys energy, the complete opposite!

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An INCREASING INDUCTANCE OVER TIME is akin to a POSITIVE RESISTANCE
increasing dL/dt = R

A DECREASING INDUCTANCE OVER TIME is akin to a NEGATIVE RESISTANCE
decreasing dL/dt = -R

An INCREASING CAPACITANCE OVER TIME is akin to a POSITIVE CONDUCTANCE
increasing dC/dt = G

A DECREASING CAPACITANCE OVER TIME is akin to a NEGATIVE CONDUCTANCE
decreasing dC/dt = -G


Taking these much further...

Depending on the 'structure'/'shape' of the 'variations' in inductance and capacitance, you can produce many more relations.

For instance...

The second derivative of inductance L is akin to an ELASTANCE (inverse of capacitance).
d2L/dt2 = 1/C
so, an increasing d2L/dt2 = 1/C, a positive ELASTANCE
and a decreasing d2L/dt2 = -1/C, a negative ELASTANCE

Taking it further...

The third derivative of inductance L is akin to CAPACITIVE REACTANCE (ELASTANCE OVER TIME).
d3L/dt3 = 1/C*t = XC
so, an increasing d3L/dt3 = XC , a positive capacitive reactance
and a decreasing d3L/dt3 = -XC, a negative capacitive reactance


If it helps, you can view/relate the second and third derivatives in terms of motional physics. The second derivative could be viewed as the 'acceleration' of the inductance L, and the third derivative could be viewed as the 'jump/jerk' of the inductance L, and of course, the first derivativee of the inductance L could be viewed as the 'velocity' of L.

One interesting note, when upon pondering the above, you find that L could be considered the 'seat' or 'core' of all these parameter variations, and that, resistance, conductance, capacitance, elastance, etc can be viewed as CHANGES in L with respect to time, I find that rather interesting. Not only that, but that ELASTANCE fits more NICELY with the 'natural progression' in the complex changes in L with respect to time than does CAPACITANCE.

There are many other relations that can be made, whether ultimately correct or not, is still a work in progress.

Any insights would be fruitful Eric.

Thanks.

[Kokomoj0]

Thanks FH,

and someone wanted to know about prof wheatstones 288mps, it appears he was discharging a leyden jar over a 1/2 mile long wire.

So hie measurement would be the speed of static electricity.

Chambers's encyclopædia: a ... - Ephraim Chambers - Google Books


The papers of Joseph Henry - Joseph Henry, Nathan Reingold - Google Books

[Farmhand]

Nice paper though if I am putting this together correctly it does not appear as if they paid particular attention to insuring 1/4wave resonance, good grounding, tuning etc? Do you know what frequency the tesla tower was intended to operate at that he felt he could transmit power any distance? Exponential transmission loss is not a very good showing.

Is this moon shot really going to take place? I would be very interested in the set up etc.

On the frequency I found this, it says about 25 Khz tops, no shorter.


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Cheers

[Kokomoj0]

Nice paper though if I am putting this together correctly it does not appear as if they paid particular attention to insuring 1/4wave resonance, good grounding, tuning etc? Do you know what frequency the tesla tower was intended to operate at that he felt he could transmit power any distance? Exponential transmission loss is not a very good showing.

Is this moon shot really going to take place? I would be very interested in the set up etc.

[lamare]

has the discussion moved elsewhere? or why is it so quiet in here?....just wondering.

I'm kind of busy with other things. It crossed my mind that indeed the propagation speed of longitudinal waves as well as the static electric field is pi/2 x c, and therefore a longitudinal moon bounce would be THE final blow against the great Einsteinan lie:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...e-history.html

So, I theorized a bit further on that idea and started contacting radio amateurs. Now I have an interesting discussion on the forum of a Dutch association of radio amateurs:
Zendamateur.COM - Toon onderwerp - Wie voert de eerste longitudinale moon-bounce uit??

It would be so cool if we could pull this off. It ain't a ride in the park, but I'm sure it can and will be done. It is just a question of time before someone pulls this off.

[viruskiller]

Message for Mister Lindemann

Hello, Mr lindemann,

I want to know, where i can have plans of the tesla coil on your book secret of cold electricity. Eric dollard don't sell the plans.

Because, I search to reproduct this coil.

Thank you.

[Web000x]

has the discussion moved elsewhere? or why is it so quiet in here?....just wondering.

I am reading everything that is posted and would love to spend my time discussing. But I'm busy building a synchronous belt driven power generation setup. I will have two alternators with pulleys of different ratios driving them so that I may investigate Eric's suggestion of using magamps for energy synthesis. I have pulleys for the alternators at a 2/1 and 3/1 ratio so that I may look into modulated an Alexanderson magamp at 2nd and 3rd harmonic. Eric told me that modulation at the 2nd harmonic represents power and at the 3rd harmonic represents energy. I shall investigate and report my findings.


Dave

[hoggel]

has the discussion moved elsewhere? or why is it so quiet in here?....just wondering.

[Aether]

@All,
Also I have looked high and low for a chapter in Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses and cannot find a section on Velocity Measure but I can swear I have seen it before. I have looked in a lot of his other works and cannot find it either. Does anybody have a copy of the edition with this chapter in it?

Raui

After doing a quick search on google I found this:

Lectures on Electrical Engineering - Charles Proteus Steinmetz - Google Books

Which is in the Chapter "Line Oscillations" in Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses on pg 83.

[t-rex]

The Variation of Inductance and Capacitance With Respect to Time

The Variation of Inductance and Capacitance With Respect to Time

We have heretofore established a new pair of dimensional relationships. These the magnetic inductance, L, in Henry, and the electro-static capacity, C, in Farad. Derived from these dimensional relations is a pair of electrical laws,

(I) The Law of Dielectric Proportion
The ratio of the quantity of dielectric induction, Psi in Coulomb to the magnitude of the electro-static potential, e, in Volt.

(1) Coulomb per Volt,
Or Farad

(II) The Law of Magnetic Proportion
The ratio of the quantity of magnetic induction, Phi, in Weber, to the magnitude of the M.M.F., i, in Ampere.

(2) Weber per Ampere,
Or Henry

Through algebraic re-arrangement a pair of secondary dimensional relations alternately define, in a new form, the total dielectrtic induction, Psi, in Coulomb, and the total magnetic induction, Phi, in Weber. For the dielectric induction,

(3) Coulomb, or Volt – Farad.

And for the magnetic induction,

(4) Weber, or, Ampere – Henry

Hence, the total dielectric induction, Psi, in Coulomb, is the product of the potential, e, in volt, and the capacitance, C, in Farad. Likewise, the total magnetic induction, Phi, in Weber, is the product of the M.M.F., i, in Ampere, and the inductance, L, in Henry

Psi equals e times C
Phi equals i times L

In the expression of the variation of the parameters which constitute the dimensional relations involving capacitance and inductance, two distinct conditions can exist. First is the capacitance and the inductance arfe time invariant, and the variation with respect to time resides in the relations of potential, e, and of M.M.F., i. Here derived are the suceptance and the reactance. In the alternate form of expression, it is the potential, e, and the M.M.F., i, that are time invariant, and the variation with respect to time resides in the relations of capacitance and inductance as geometric co-efficients. Geometry in time variation.

In general, time invariance of L and C, or time invariance of e and i each can be considered as a limiting case. Each can be in variation with respect to time at their own individual time rates. That is, for the dielectric both C and e can be in variation, and for the magnetic both L and i can be in variation. Consider the A.C. induction motor. Here is form of magnetic inductance in which both the inductance, L, and the M.M.F., i, are in time variation, L with the rotational geometric variation, and i with the rotational variation of M.M.F. The difference between the rotational frequency of i is called the slip frequency. The rotor continuously falls behind the rotation of the magnetic field, dragging energy out of this field and delivering it to the output shaft of the motor.

Considering the pair of primary dimensional relations, it is, for the dielectric induction.

(5) Farad per second, or
Siemens,

And for the magnetic,

(6) Henry per second, or
Ohm,

It is established that a distinct pair of conditions exist with regard to the variation with respect to time. Either the capacitance or inductance is in variation, or the potential or M.M.F. is in variation, with respect to time.

For the condition of time invariant L and C it is given,

(7) Farad per second, or Siemens,
The Suceptance, B,

(8) Henry per second, or Ohm,
The Reactance, X.

In the second case the L and C are in variation with respect to time. The forces, i and e, are held constant, or time invariant. Here the variation with respect to time exists with the Metallic – Dielectric geometry itself. This hereby produces a variation in the geometric co-efficients of capacitance or inductance. These relations are given as,

(9) Farads per second, or Siemens,
The Conductance, G

(10) Henry per second, or Ohm,
The Resistance, R

This CONDUCTANCE, G, and this RESISTANCE, R, represent the relations derived from the time variation of capacitance and from the time variation of inductance, respectively.

It is through this form of parameter variation that the energy stored in the electrical field bounded by the geometric structure is here given to an external form. This is to say, energy is taken out of the electric field and delivered elsewhere.

For a closed system, the energy stored within the electric field is lost, or dissipated, from this system. It is then ENERGY LEAKAGE from the closed system. Considering the condition of a time invariant, or stationary geometric structure, this structure exhibiting the dissipation of the energy stored within the electric field bound by the structure, the conductance, G, and the Resistance, R, are the representations of energy leakage from the dielectric and magnetic fields respectively.

For example, consider one span of a “J carrier” open wire transmission pair. Here the conductance, G, is the “leakage conductance” of the glass telephone insulator, the resistance, R, is the “electronic resistance” of the copperweld telephone wire. These represent the energy dissipation of one span of line.

This conductance, G, represents a “molecular loss” WITHIN the glass of the insulator. This resistance, R, represents a “molecular loss” WITHIN the metal of the wire. Hence it is the molecular losses of the metallic-dielectric geometry itself that gives rise to an energy leakage from a closed system. The molecular agitation and cyclic hysteresis exist within the molecular dimensions of the physical mass of the bounding geometric structure. These consist of a multitude of minute variations of the capacitance and inductance of the geometric form. On a microscopic level the material substance of this form is indefine, a kind of blur in space, due to the multitude of minute variations of positions in space. These tiny motions, hereby through parameter variation, convert the energy stored in the electric field into random patterns of radiation. By experiment it can be shown that this energy leakage exists in proportion to the temperature of the material form storing energy within its bound electric field. In general, the elecro-static potential, e, in Volt, renders the insulators hot, the magneto-motive force, i, in Ampere, renders the wires hot. Also, it is found that this heating increases with increasing frequency of the potential, e, or the M.M.F., i. It is here where the prevailing concept of the “electron” is to be found. Hence it is the motions of the electrons that give rise to the energy loss in an electrical system.

Electrons represent energy dissipation. However, the pedant, the mystic, and the dis-informer all tell us that the electron is what conveys energy, the complete opposite!

Break – more to follow
DE N6KPH

[KurtNalty]

Online Equation Typesetter

Thanks for the link to the online equation typsetter.

In the meanwhile, I've posted a PDF for the math at

http://www.kurtnalty.com/ForceBalanc...issionLine.pdf