Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[vrand]

Wow! Great! What does the plate on device say ?

Great find! Let us know when you power it up!
Cheers Mike

[boguslaw]

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I agree, what a score!

Mike Klimesh

Wow! Great! What does the plate on device say ?

[mklimesh]

H2ocommuter

Fantastic find shown in you video – well jealous!

Regards

John

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I agree, what a score!

Mike Klimesh

[john_g]

H20commuter Motor Find

H2ocommuter

Fantastic find shown in you video – well jealous!

Regards

John

[Sputins]

wearing the stupid hat

I have a D.C. transmission line, the conductors are 2 inches in
diameter, spacing is 18 feet. How many ounces of force are developed
upon a 600 foot span of this line, for the following;
1. 1000 ampere line current.
2. For 1000 KV line potential?
I am waiting.

Tentative Answer:
I know I will be made to wear the stupid hat and have to stand in the corner. However considering the above problem, of how many ounces of force are developed, I would tentatively and cautiously answer that the are no ounces of force developed. I say this because in the post titled “ Variation with Respect to Time EF003” Dollard says, “ So long as there is no variation of the electrification, that is so long as it is static, no other phenomenon manifests”.

As the above problem concerns a D.C. Transmission line, there is no variation with respect to time. It’s DC. “D.C. has zero frequency hence it has no relation to time. It is eternal, invariable, constant. Direct current is a TIME SCALAR, no variation in time”

However there would certainly be an inductance component and a capacitance component of the transmission line. However since there is 1000M Watts of electrical activity Q, there are certainly a large amount of energy involved, which suggests to me that my answer is completely wrong?

As here Eric said “The metallic-dielectric geometric structure bounding the electric field of induction engenders the mechanical forces developed by this bounded field. Where E and I are strictly electric forces, e and i give rise to mechanical forces upon physical matter thru the dimension of SPACE. i and e are the seat of magnetic forces pushing the metallic and of dielectric force pulling the metallic. i is a pushing force, e is a pulling force”

“These represent the four terms of the “Telegraph Equation” of Oliver Heaviside in their primordial form”.

I’ll need to do some more homework, reading and study over the weekend, look up Heaviside’s Telegraph Equation, if I can find it, see if I can compute the maths.

[h2ocommuter]

Its not necessarily Greek as in Tesla but enjoy nonetheless

Please forgive me for wandering off course so far, I must to let you know I am still in the hunt no matter how far it looks I have strayed....

Please enjoy 2 links
Video The electrical engineer "in the Nicola Tesla folder"

Zane

Impedance and Admittance

At this point the next level of dimensional relations can be derived from the primary dimensional relations given thus far;

(I) The law of electro-magnetic induction, Faraday’s law, that is the electro-motive force E, in volts, is given by the proportionality (ratio) of the total quantity of magnetic induction Phi, to the time rate of the gain or loss of this quantity of magnetic induction, in per second. The voltage E is given by the rate of variation of magnetism. Change in magnetism is volts of E.M.F.
(II) The law of magneto-dielectric induction, Maxwell’s law. That is, the displacement current I, in amperes, is given by the proportionality (ratio) of the total quantity of dielectric induction Psi, to the time rate of the gain or loss of this quantity of dielectric induction, in per second. The current I is given by the time rate of variation of dielectricity. Change in dielectricity is Amperes of displacement.

In both cases “quickness” is the factor of direct proportionality. Example, 120 volts at 60 cycles per second applied to a transformer winding results in a greater rate of change in magnetism than 110 volts, 60 cycles applied to the same winding, despite both being 60 cycles. Why? The slope of 120VAC is greater than 110VAC. Try it on your oscilloscope and see.

E and I are not to be considered opposites of each other, but they exist in a COMPLIMENTARY-SYMMETRY form. The four pole archetype of electricity shows itself in that there is E and e or I and i. This leads to the answer for our second question, the null force condition, that is what ratio of E to I, and thus e to i give rise to a cancellation of “e pulls” and “i pushes.” Another ratio to be investigated.
Taking the ratio of the E.M.F. E, and the displacement I, that is E over I, we have evoked “Ohms law”: The dimensional relation of E.M.F., Phi over T; divided by the dimensional relation of displacement, Psi over T. This results in a new dimensional relation. This relation is known as the IMPEDANCE Z, in OHMS. E per I is Z. For a given product of E and I in Watts. We may have a large E and a small I, a high impedance, or we may have a small E and a large I, a low impedance. Hence, a unit of power (activity) in Watts may be in the form of a high impedance (12KV, 1 Amp) or a low impedance (1KV, 12 Amp), both the same power (12 KVA). Think of the transmission in your car. The engine is delivering 20 horsepower (activity) and this is delivered to the wheels. The engine is running 1800 R.P.M. (volts), but the drive shaft is running 180 R.P.M. (volts). The engine is a high impedance, the driveshaft a low impedance, but the power is 20 HP in both. We call this an IMPEDANCE TRANSFORMATION and this is effected by what is known as a TRANSFORMER, (the transmission, it has a RATIO of ten to one).

The dimensional relation of impedance, Z in Ohms, can be expressed in an alternate manner from the primary dimensions. E divided by I equals Z, Ohms law. But we have dimensionally that the E.M.F. E in volts is given by Faraday’s law

Webers per second

Likewise the displacement I in Amperes is given by Maxwell’s law

Coulombs per second

Taking the ratio of E over I and substituting, the impedance is given by

Weber-second per
Coulomb-second = Ohms

Here, dimensionally speaking, we have second per second which is thus dimensionless, or scalar, a TIME SCALAR. Hence the primary dimensional expression for impedance, Z in Ohms, is given

Weber per Coulomb
Equals Ohm.

Hereby the impedance of the electric field of induction is defined as the ratio of the total magnetic induction to the total dielectric induction, Phi over Psi gives Ohms Z. This is known as the characteristic impedance of the electric field of induction.

It must be remembered that the scalar term of seconds per seconds expresses the hysteresis angle between the time frame for E and the time frame for I, as the pair weave their dance thru the dimension of time (note, get that 2D or 3D out of your head, we are in the dimension of time!) The ratio Z, the impedance, is therefore a “directed quantity” in the dimension of time. This is to say the impedance has magnitude and a position in time. Listen to Bach organ music for further as this is too complex for now.

Since arriving at the concept of impedance it may be asked what results from its inverse I over E, the ratio of displacement current to electromotive force. This ratio is called the ADMITTANCE Y of the electrical system. Following the same path dimensionally as was done with impedance it is,

Coulomb – second
Per Weber – second

Hence the admittance Y is given dimensionally by,

Coulomb per Weber
Equals Siemens.

Admittance Y in Siemens is the ratio of Psi to Phi, the ratio of the dielectric field to the magnetic field of the electric field of induction. This is called the characteristic admittance of the electric field.

As for the scalar term of seconds per second the same situation exists as with the impedance Z in Ohms. It is however that there is also a time “angle” between the time frame of impedance Z in Ohms and admittance Y in Siemens, just as there is with Volts and Amperes. Hereby results that the impedance is NOT just the inverse of the admittance, that is, Z is NOT one over Y, they are MIRROR IMAGES. Look in the mirror. Your head is up, your feet are down, but your right is left and your left is right. This is much too complex.

In conclusion, the impedance and admittance serve as proportionality factors between the magnetic and the dielectric, or the dielectric and the magnetic, fields respectively.

73 DE N6KPH

[lamare]

So then what I'm thinking is licence to freely distribute, but not to modify, or add to. That way you can always keep modified versions to be known as just that - modified.

Because if I can add to a paper and distribute it then what keeps me from taking away from a paper? In that sense this is different than a linux distro. With linux you can add to the thing to try and make it better, or take away from a thing and make it better. If you do that with EPD's stuff then you could (most likely will) end up being in the same boat we already currently find ourselves in.

IE: it is suggested that we currently have a distorted view of electricity, partially due to erroneous additional info about the nature of electrons. Or, we have a limited understanding of Tesla circuitry due, in part, to our ignorance (lack of info, or info taken away) of the Displacement current and the dielectric field.

People shouldn't be able to add to or take away from Eric's stuff and then perpetrate that it's legit. They should do their own stuff, according to whatever, and then cite his work which then could be referenced and undistorted and reliable.

Good points. Creative Commons licenses come in a few different tastes:
Choose a License

This one may be the most suitable:
Creative Commons — Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported — CC BY-NC-ND 3.0

You are free:

* to Share — to copy, distribute and transmit the work

Under the following conditions:

* Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
* Noncommercial — You may not use this work for commercial purposes.
* No Derivative Works — You may not alter, transform, or build upon this work.

The reason I thought about being able to make derivative works is because I hope to get other people involved with the digitization process. For example, it would be very nice if some people were prepared to re-draw the pictures and we should be legally allowed to include those in the printed version I hope we can realise if enough people participate in the process, so Eric can finally make some money of his work.

So, the idea is to use freely distributable digital copies on one hand to distribute the information contained in the works, and on the other hand use it as an advertizing tool to sell a paper version (or versions) at some point in the future in order to generate some income for Eric.

Coming to think of it, it is not necessary to allow derivative works of the "official" completed pdf's (or whatever format), as long as the people that are willing to help agree that all commercial rights to their contributions go to Eric. Or something in that direction.

So, the idea is to setup a separate website for this project, where people can subscribe to and contribute to. So, all we need is to make sure that the people that subscribe formally agree to give Eric the commercial rights to all contributions they make to the website.

One of the questions is what would be the best collaboration tool to put on such a website. I am currently working with PmWiki, which is very flexible and there is a module that allows you to enable subscriptions with email verification. It also has a module that allows you to enter latex math formulas, which I have currently enabled at my wiki. It also allows attachments of files, such as images, etc. So, as far as editing goes, I think this is a very useful tool.

However, I have no idea what it would take to convert the pages on the wiki into a decent printed version, which could for example be published trough Self Publishing, Book Printing & eBook Publishing | Lulu.com . I would like to avoid hand-editing as much as possible. A quick look at the PmWiki "cookbook" suggests there is an easy solution: PmWiki | Cookbook / PublishPDF. However, it may very well be that this module does not like the math module, so that would have to be tested.

So far, so good.

Another point is how to make sure that any money that is being made with printed versions, and I would really like to see that happen, really goes to Eric and not to someone else.

My idea would be to ask the board of "Vrijschrift.org" foundation, of which I am a board member, to take care of managing any funds that result from the sale of printed versions and to make sure Eric gets his money:

https://scriptumlibre.org/About%20ScriptumLibre

ScriptumLibre.org Foundation is the international branch of the Dutch "Stichting Vrijschrift.org". ScriptumLibre creates awareness about the economic and social meaning of free knowledge and culture for our society. See our Objectives page for more information.

https://scriptumlibre.org/Objectives

ScriptumLibre works on creating awareness of the economic and social meaning of free knowledge and culture for our society. ScriptumLibre fulfills a protecting and promoting role. On the one hand free information ensures more competition and better market working because monopoly shaping is reduced. On the other hand, free knowledge and free culture offer unhindered access to that information, and that serves the development of mankind directly. Moreover ScriptumLibre is concerned about the erosion of privacy by legislators. ScriptumLibre cooperates internationally with the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure, Free Software Foundation Europe, Project Gutenberg, European Digital Rights and a lot of other organisations.

This foundation also manages the support fund for Brenno De Winter, a Dutch IT journalist that came into trouble while investigating the security leaks in the Dutch "OV Chipkaart", a digital access control system for public transport. See for example: Dutch reporter won't be charged for transit card fraud | InSecurity Complex - CNET News

Since Vrijschrift also hosts projects that fall within the objectives, I have already asked the board if Vrijschrift would be prepared to host a site for Eric, but we have to wait what the other board members think of this idea. I hope they agree to hosting as well as to manage a fund for Eric should we get that far, because that way we can concentrate on getting the digitization work done and won't have to worry about legal issues and/or making sure Eric gets his money if they project is as succesfull as I hope it will be.

So, this is what I'm thinking about. Any comments and feedback is welcome, of course. All I want is to do the right thing for everyone, including Eric.

[john_g]

Light and Electricity

Hi All

I came across this article about Light and Electricity / dielectricty, which makes a few references to Eric, so may be helpful background reading?

True Nature of Light & Electricity

Regards
John

[Pinwheel]

So then what I'm thinking is licence to freely distribute, but not to modify, or add to. That way you can always keep modified versions to be known as just that - modified.

Because if I can add to a paper and distribute it then what keeps me from taking away from a paper? In that sense this is different than a linux distro. With linux you can add to the thing to try and make it better, or take away from a thing and make it better. If you do that with EPD's stuff then you could (most likely will) end up being in the same boat we already currently find ourselves in.

IE: it is suggested that we currently have a distorted view of electricity, partially due to erroneous additional info about the nature of electrons. Or, we have a limited understanding of Tesla circuitry due, in part, to our ignorance (lack of info, or info taken away) of the Displacement current and the dielectric field.

People shouldn't be able to add to or take away from Eric's stuff and then perpetrate that it's legit. They should do their own stuff, according to whatever, and then cite his work which then could be referenced and undistorted and reliable.

[Pinwheel]

I disagree at this point. (surprise! lol)

...any work others may add to it. I have to think about this further, but the idea is that anyone is free to copy the material and improve on it freely for non-commercial purposes, but such that a printed version can be made that still includes those voluntary additions...

This, quite easily I think, set's the stage for Eric's work to become hijacked by whatever lunatic want's to parasitically (intentionally or not) attach his nonsense to Eric's work.

For example: I have a large following of superstitious religious zealots that think that my interpretation of 11 dimensional quantum string theory means that aliens bla bla bla. I also have a popular show on the History channel. If I were to find some loose connection to EPD's work, via misinterpretation or whatever, then I could just piggyback my nonsense onto the back of Eric's paper leading thousands into a erroneous theory by hijacking EPD's authority.

I don't like the idea that any nutjob can come in and take EPD's work and do whatever and and up watering it down or any other "unintended" consequence.

[lamare]

You guys may want to check out this paper by Eric:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...20to%20JBR.pdf

It contains some very interesting articles on "The transmission of electric energy".

I am working on OCR'ing this one, but that is only partially finished:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Eric_Dollard_...ic_Dollard.pdf

A quote from that one:

Part I of "The Transmission Of Electricity" (Sept-Oct 1987 JBR) dealt with the nature of electric transmission along space bounded by a set of guiding wires. These wires were found not to be the conductors of electricity, but space itself is the electric conductor. In reality the so-called conductor material of which the wires are made are reflectors of electricity, analogous to the reflective metal coating on the back of glass (dielectric) mirrors.

Because the dimensions of the co-efficient of dielectric induction, or farads, is given by the inverse of the square of the velocity of light, the notion has occurred that these dimensions establish the propagation velocity of electric transmission, and thereby electricity and light are the same thing. This concept may have become the most significant obstacle to the understanding of electric transmission. In this part of the study of the transmission of electricity the conduction of electricity of space will be further examined through observation of the characteristics of radio transmission and reception in the medium frequency range, 300-3000 kilocycles pec second.
When the distance between the guiding wires of an electric system is significantly increased the electric field that is associated with these wires occupies a large volume of space which extends far beyond the vicinity of the guiding wires.
The expanded electric field of induction associated with the spaced apart guiding wires now cars combine with the electric fields of induction associated with more distant sets of guiding wires. This sharing of electric fields by two or more remote systems of wires is known as the mutual inductance of the systems. Through the process of mutual inductance electricity may be transmitted through space without the employment of a set of guiding wires to connect the transmitter to the distant receiver. Hence, the wireless" system of electric transmission through space.

The first article in the pdf, "FUNCTIONAL THINKING: An Interview With Eric Dollard" can also be found here:
Tuks DrippingPedia : Interview By Tom Brown

The last article in the pdf, "Introduction to DIELECTRICITY AND CAPACITANCE", can also be found here, without the illustrations:
Eric Dollard and Tesla


And finally, there is some good news. Eric gave me official permission to republish his material:

You have my official permission to publish whatever you want so long as you do not take credit for it, or do it for profit and exclude me from the returns.

What I intend to do is to release his work under more or less the creative commons non commercial license, but add a condition that allows Eric to get the returns of any work others may add to it. I have to think about this further, but the idea is that anyone is free to copy the material and improve on it freely for non-commercial purposes, but such that a printed version can be made that still includes those voluntary additions, while the returns do go to Eric.

[Pinwheel]

I feel silly now because I didn't mention that I was checking into permittivity because of what I saw of Coulomb's Law.

I got this: Electric displacement field - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia after a google search for "dielectric field density".

I assumed I was all wrong so I didn't pursue it further.

[Raui]

Lessismore,
I was looking for a book like that in my collection but I didn't have it so thank you! I do like that method better than mine (far far less complicated). Hopefully Eric can come in again and help us work this out or let us know if that answer is correct.

Eric,
Again thanks for everything your posting. I get excited every time I see your posts and they never fail to deliver brain food

Raui

[lessismore]

Hi Raui,

Got the same answer for #1: -6 2/3 N (repulsion)
used this site:
Forces between currents.

For #2 got something different.

Using:
V = 1000KV = 10E+6V
Radius = 1 in = 0.08333 ft
Seperation = 18 ft = 5.4864m
Length = 600 ft = 182.88m
e0 = 8.85E-12 F/m (permitivity of free space)
er = 1 (the dialectric constant for air)

Could not find an example either so I tried looking at it this way:

A. Determine the capacitance of the transmission line.
From page 23 in here: Dielectric phenomena in high voltage engineering : Peek, F. W. (Frank William), b. 1881 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
C = (2π x e0 x er x Length) / ln(Separation/Radius)
C = (5.5606E-11 F/m x 182.88m) / ln( 18 ft / 0.08333 ft)
C = 1.892E-9 F

B. Find a formula for the force on the plates of a parallel plate type capacitor in terms of voltage and capacitance. Hoping that it is a good enough fit for this transmission line.
Using the formula found here:
Force exerted by plates of parallel plate capacitor on each other Calculator - Eculator
F = (C x V x V) / (2 x Separation)
F = (1.892E-9 F x 10E+12VV) / (2 x 5.4864 m)
F = (1.892E+3 FVV / 10.9728 m = 172.4 N maybe :-)

[Raui]

The equation was looking me straight in the face. I can't believe I didn't work it out before. Using coulombs law;
F=(k*q1*q2)/r^2
Where k is coulombs constant ((Approximately 9*10^9 Newton.Meters.Meters per Coulomb
q1 = dielectric flux [Coulombs] on line 1
q2 = dielectric flux [Coulombs] on line 2
r = Distance between wires [meters]

Assuming the wires to be perfectly cylindrical and 1kV on line 1 and 0v on line 2.

The q on each line can be worked out using
q=C*v
Where
C is the Capacitance between wires
v is the potential difference between the wires.

The capacitance can be calculated by;
C=e0*er*A/d

Where
e0 is permittivity of free space (8.854*10^-12)
er is relative permittivity of medium (Basically 1 for air)
A is effective area between wires
d is the distance between the wires
Treating effective area as half the area of the curved part of the cylinder.


C = e0*er*(14.5952/5.4864)
C= 2.3554*10^-11 [Coulombs per volt].

Now back into q=Cv
q1 = 2.3554*10^-11 * 1000
= 2.3554*10^-8 Coulombs

Since the other line in a DC transmission line is the neutral the voltage relative to ground it will have induced in it an equal and opposite charge to the charge on q1 so.

q2 = -2.3554*10^-8 Coulombs

So now back to Coulombs law;
F=(k*q1*q2)/r^2
F = (9*10^9)(2.3554*10^-8*-2.3554*10^-8)/5.4864^2
= 1.6562799103328123*10^-7 [Newtons]

EDIT: This is not the right answer, I forgot to find the induced charge with Gauss' law which I'm not entirely used to using. If somebody could apply this law to get the charge on q2, I'll brush up on it when I get back home and see what I come up with.

Raui