Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[stonewater]

my compliments to peter for his lecture at the conference

hi Peter,

I wanted to thank you for your battery lecture at cour de lane. it explained so much about lead acid battery phenomena. I know it was recorded, when it is released it needs to be purchased by anyone who uses LAB's.

I could have sworn Eric Dollard was there. the gentlemen was a spitting image of him, albeit a bit older than I remember him looking. Peter, was that him? John B semed to think so. I asked him if he was, he said no..... and smiled
Tom C

[Ras]

I just wanted to say that I am honored to be a part of this group, as I find Eric's work fascinating, but also some of his statements meant a lot to me, especially two of them:
1. Eric advised everyone to eat 'live' food. I understand this as a mostly vegan diet, consisting of fresh fruit and veggies. I have been doing this for a little over a year, helped a lot with my health.
2. Eric also said that the music of S. Bach contains clues about electricity and that it is very important for understanding the science of electricity. I still don't know what he meant exactly, but I have found lately that only Baroque music is acceptable in larger quantities for me, everything else has too much emotion (including the rest of classic music) at the expense of spirit. I know he meant this probably in a different way, so I will try to study Bach more.

Therefore, Eric Dollard is a unique, original thinker, who actually owes the rest of us peasants a book on the topic of "nature of electricity". Our poor brains need healing from the wrong concepts, so we actually need a fresh start to learn electricity and nature once again. This should go hand in hand with the "Electric Universe" theory of "electricuniverse.info", but I find Eric to be the one with more authority simply because he has true experimental evidence, rather than just theoretical.

Also, I am not very much fond of Yahoo as it is a mean corporation, just like any other, but I will still enjoy being a part of this fascinating group of researchers.

[wizofid]

I have some old radio gear laying around. Been 40 years since I worked with some of it. I believe, that I came across the piece that Eric is talking about. It is just as simple - as he says it is, And looking at some 50 yr old relays and such, I do understand how they can get messed on dwell and just plain crap.

It is the dwell angle - that sets the timing. This is similar to the things you might recall - if you had every worked on manual distributors - or old mech - advance distributors.

regards

[MJL]

Not sure if you were asking me or Eric, the device and the speech before it are all Eric Dollards I'll link the video if your interested, its posted elsewhere as well. He talks about it at the end in Q&A

http://research.borderlands.com/wiki...y_(SBARC_video)

[dharma-practitioner]

A very crude device, it consists of a vibrator which charges two 12v capacitors in parallel at 12v and discharges them in series on 24v. If the dwell angle on the contacts in the vibrator get screwy, when you turn the switch off the thing just sits there and keeps humming, powering the 327 pilot lamp for a period of about 2 minutes. But of course, that’s impossible, it’s like all Tesla's work, it’s all impossible. It's like the transformer; it’s why the lights should go out right now but their still humming away.

Could you provide more specifications on your vibrator device?.

What is a 327 pilot lamp, can you provide detail description, model number etc. I believe that the 2 minutes of extended energy is a result of the Q dielectric energy that was stored in counterspace being converted into magnetic current by the vibrator. It only manifest when there's a change in ratio of velocity to time.

We should do more than sitting idle, who knows how long Eric will be around, let's get the ball rolling and get to the bottom of this.

[dharma-practitioner]

Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance. The waveform of electron flow is the same waveform produced when you slam on the brakes and hear that horrible screeching sound. It’s not a nice harmonic sine wave it’s a very bitter horrible sound of energy dissipation and material flying everywhere. Electricity flows in the space between the wires. This has always been known by Electrical engineers. For example you short out a major electrical circuit you will see the cables violently repel each other as the electromagnetic force tries to escape from the boundaries in which they are contained between the so called bounding conductors. But most people are not electrical engineers and don’t deal with the situation. I have to deal with it every day, I had a welder run away on me at work a couple of days ago every wire and every conduit tried to escape the conduit. The noise was horrible everything repelled everything rattled all the lights flashed and all the computers failed … I love it! ....... I have a little device in my car where I operate my 24v military field radios off 12v. A very crude device, it consists of a vibrator which charges two 12v capacitors in parallel at 12v and discharges them in series on 24v. If the dwell angle on the contacts in the vibrator get screwy, when you turn the switch off the thing just sits there and keeps humming, powering the 327 pilot lamp for a period of about 2 minutes. But of course, that’s impossible, it’s like all Tesla's work, it’s all impossible. It's like the transformer; it’s why the lights should go out right now but their still humming away.

You’re story is an archaic notion of Heavyside’s journals and Eric’s last lecture. We are told that all magnetic field lines closes by induction of “so called” conductors at relative time second as observed in natural time Plank in absolute state (vacuum medium at speed of light velocity)
1. The quantity of magnetic line force (length of each wave) is Q
2. The dimension of magnetic line force (number of units per relative time) is W

Taking Eric’s foot of lamp cord that holds 1 million Planks energy/ second. By conventional knowledge, this is impossible and a crackpot conception given the Watt laws, limitation and breakdown properties of lamp cord dielectric and conductor.

If we can produce the require parameters in real life, we can observe the “epiphenomenon” first hand. Drive a car at 600 mph, apply brake and come to complete stop in 1 second time, speed of light velocity. The Ghost will fly out of you and expose the real Primary Energy. If you Drive/Brake every 1 second interval, the Ghost will always be visible.

NOW, lets demonstrate his in a more practical way. If we employ your vibrator apparatus, then the Primary Force can be manifested and exposed in a more practical manner.

1. What is the input dimensional energy, Watt/ second?.
2. What is the Dielectrical capacity of the capacitors?.
3. What is the make/ brake or disruptive discharge rate of vibrator?.
4. What is the dimensional energy Wattage consumed by light, 3 minutes after?.
5. What is the quantity of electricity that was produced.

Can we Define the required criteria to manifest Primary Energy, Dielectricity, Plank energy or whatever one wish to call it.

[Raui]

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ranslated.html

Raui, I've started a thread for this recently translated article which Eric felt was important simply from analysis of the maths. Some of the explanations give wonderful insights if your familiar with Eric's work. Case in point, from the article, this might answer your previous question

"Let us briefly remind this argument for the case of self-induction change. Suppose there is current i in the oscillatory system having capacity C, ohmic resistance R and induction L at a period of time taken as the initial one. Let us change self-induction to the magnitude dL at this moment, which is equivalent to energy increase equal to 1/2 dL i(squared). Now we leave the system to itself. In a period of time equal to ¼ of the system proper oscillations period, the entire system energy will transform from magnetic into electrostatic. At this moment, when the current = zero, we return the self-induction to its initial magnitude, which obviously can be performed without an effort, and then leave the system to itself again. In the next ¼ of the proper oscillation period the electrostatic energy will entirely transform into the magnetic one again, and then we can start a new cycle of induction change."

Considering they are doing these experiments with "no obvious sources of electric or magnetic forces" they seem to be creating energy by periodic change of circuit parameters. The key they say, based on their mathematical analysis, is that the frequency of parameter change must be a harmonic of the "proper frequency of the system" . Outside these frequency bands, the oscillations cease. So we have an energy phenomenon that only manifests under precise conditions and seems to be the effect of parameter change. I would love to get my hands on some of the references in this article but I suppose their all in Russian. Translation is expensive

I can't see why a solid state device based on these principles can't be devised. This research was 1930's so something with transistors seems feasible. Ideas? This work reminds me somewhat of Teslas work with mechanical oscillators and a certain high rise building. I guess he considered mechanical and electrical systems as analogous in function as this article contends. That would seem discredit any notion of a single velocity of propagation of electric waves because like a mechanical system it all depends on system parameters and not some immutable dictum.

Very interesting article, hope you get something from it

Matt

Thanks heaps Matt! That paragraph definitley highlights the reciprocal nature of electrostatic and magnetic fields. Also if your after a solid state device based on parameter variation I'm not sure if your familiar with this thread; http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=6557 but it's a system I've done limited experimenting on and so far like what I see.

Raui

[7imix]

MJL,

I believe the book Eric was talking about is "Tesla on his work with Alternating Currents". Of all the Tesla material I have read, I find it to be the best, because it is Tesla's own words and he describes phenomena very accurately.

Nikola Tesla On His Work With Alternating Currents | ISBN-13: 978-1-893817-01-2 | ISBN-10: 1-893817-01-6

[MJL]

I think it is possible to reproduce the phenomena with solid-state components, but with much lower efficiency. Most solid state components will immediately be fried (I've fried tons) when switching an inductor with the change in voltage over time (dv/dt) required to produce the "opposite of dc" waveform, sharp impulses with a duty cycle as close to zero as practical. Components that are able to withstand the voltages required may not have the switching speeds needed to get close to the resonant frequency, much less the quarter wave. However components are continuing to improve and there may be a sweet spot of components -- a microcontroller, optocouplers or digital isolators, mosfet drivers and mosfets or IGBTs -- that will demonstrate the phenomena with less magnifying than the extremely high voltage spark gap setups.

I'm way out of my depth here but I'll have a stab. They say that the effect can be produced with either a periodic parametric change of inductance or capacitance. They used inductance in the experiment and tuned the circuit with a fixed capacity. They also state that the opposite is possible where periodic change in capacity holding the inductance steady will work (perhaps they hold one steady for simplification of analysis). Maybe this is the direction to move toward. What your describing they also describe in the article, the oscillations built up until the components of the circuit failed. All this without any "obvious" source of voltage or current?

Here's something interesting Eric Dollard brought up in his SBARC presentation,

Eric: Tesla was involved in a court case where he was fighting for the survival of his Wardenclyffe tower. The details of that court case were recently published by a person by the name of Leyland Anderson who apparently is a competent electrical engineer. And when you read through this you see Tesla say over, and over, and over again that his radio was "non-electromagnetic”.... Repeatedly ... but it all fell on deaf ears. Once physicists grabbed hold of electricity, all knowledge of it ceased. Electrons have nothing to do with the flow of electricity; electrons are the rate at which electricity is destroyed. Electrons are the resistance. The waveform of electron flow is the same waveform produced when you slam on the brakes and hear that horrible screeching sound. It’s not a nice harmonic sine wave it’s a very bitter horrible sound of energy dissipation and material flying everywhere. Electricity flows in the space between the wires. This has always been known by Electrical engineers. For example you short out a major electrical circuit you will see the cables violently repel each other as the electromagnetic force tries to escape from the boundaries in which they are contained between the so called bounding conductors. But most people are not electrical engineers and don’t deal with the situation. I have to deal with it every day, I had a welder run away on me at work a couple of days ago every wire and every conduit tried to escape the conduit. The noise was horrible everything repelled everything rattled all the lights flashed and all the computers failed … I love it! ....... I have a little device in my car where I operate my 24v military field radios off 12v. A very crude device, it consists of a vibrator which charges two 12v capacitors in parallel at 12v and discharges them in series on 24v. If the dwell angle on the contacts in the vibrator get screwy, when you turn the switch off the thing just sits there and keeps humming, powering the 327 pilot lamp for a period of about 2 minutes. But of course, that’s impossible, it’s like all Tesla's work, it’s all impossible. It's like the transformer; it’s why the lights should go out right now but their still humming away.

[dharma-practitioner]

Of course it feels real within the system of constraints we call physical reality. The point is that it is an epiphenomenon; it emerges as a result of change over time of other parameters within a certain system of constraints.

OK, lets clean the toilet with water an not mud.

1 - The epiphenomenon is the primary energy and not the other way around correct?.

2 - And what is the parameters required to manifest the primary force, the Q sum of electrical quantity of magnetic induction?.

[7imix]

Wonderful subjective thinking, so when I slam on brake, violent stopping from 60 mph to stillness at an interval of 3 seconds is false illusion?.

How do you explain the whiplash and the painful chest slap from the seat belt that caged me from flying out the windshield. They feel so real, heck they are painful.

So are you really saying that the counterspace force is an illusion.What you are really saying that only the primary force of Volt and Amp is real. Please explain yourself clearly.

Of course it feels real within the system of constraints we call physical reality. The point is that it is an epiphenomenon; it emerges as a result of change over time of other parameters within a certain system of constraints.

[dharma-practitioner]

Eric and Raui, thank you so much for the images your two posts put in my mind! The image especially of moving in the car and hitting the brakes creating the illusion of force and how that relates to the circuit "energing"

Truly beautiful. This matches exactly with the intuitive understanding I have been putting together through experiment but was unable to put into words. Thank you.

Wonderful subjective thinking, so when I slam on brake, violent stopping from 60 mph to stillness at an interval of 3 seconds is false illusion?.

How do you explain the whiplash and the painful chest slap from the seat belt that caged me from flying out the windshield. They feel so real, heck they are painful.

So are you really saying that the counterspace force is an illusion.What you are really saying that only the primary force of Volt and Amp is real. Please explain yourself clearly.

[7imix]

Considering they are doing these experiments with "no obvious sources of electric or magnetic forces" they seem to be creating energy by periodic change of circuit parameters. The key they say, based on their mathematical analysis, is that the frequency of parameter change must be a harmonic of the "proper frequency of the system" . Outside these frequency bands, the oscillations cease. So we have an energy phenomenon that only manifests under precise conditions and seems to be the effect of parameter change. I would love to get my hands on some of the references in this article but I suppose their all in Russian. Translation is expensive

I can't see why a solid state device based on these principles can't be devised. This research was 1930's so something with transistors seems feasible. Ideas? This work reminds me somewhat of Teslas work with mechanical oscillators and a certain high rise building. I guess he considered mechanical and electrical systems as analogous in function as this article contends. That would seem discredit any notion of a single velocity of propagation of electric waves because like a mechanical system it all depends on system parameters and not some immutable dictum.

Very interesting article, hope you get something from it

Matt

This matches my intuition about what Tesla was saying about 1/4 wave resonance in many of his patents. The russian paper provides a nice description of what is happening. When the driver circuit discharges into the oscillator with duty cycle approaching zero and at the resonant frequency of the oscillator * 4 (quarter-wave resonance) the process of the magnetic energy being converted into dielectric is replenished at the same frequency. Since the dielectricity has nowhere else to go, it is pumped outwards in longitudinal shockwaves along all conductors connected to it, including the earth.

I think it is possible to reproduce the phenomena with solid-state components, but with much lower efficiency. Most solid state components will immediately be fried (I've fried tons) when switching an inductor with the change in voltage over time (dv/dt) required to produce the "opposite of dc" waveform, sharp impulses with a duty cycle as close to zero as practical. Components that are able to withstand the voltages required may not have the switching speeds needed to get close to the resonant frequency, much less the quarter wave. However components are continuing to improve and there may be a sweet spot of components -- a microcontroller, optocouplers or digital isolators, mosfet drivers and mosfets or IGBTs -- that will demonstrate the phenomena with less magnifying than the extremely high voltage spark gap setups.

[7imix]

Eric and Raui, thank you so much for the images your two posts put in my mind! The image especially of moving in the car and hitting the brakes creating the illusion of force and how that relates to the circuit "energing"

Truly beautiful. This matches exactly with the intuitive understanding I have been putting together through experiment but was unable to put into words. Thank you.

[dharma-practitioner]

In the metal maggot, we are shield of the secondary primary (G-force) and our false sense (brain) think (Mach speed) and feed like another neural episode (TV). We only see the Velocity but never sense the ghost F, M, delta X and Q. To be aware of totality of E, we need a horned beast that can deliver the experience, travel at the speed of light and braking at rapid intervals of space (disruptive discharge) to make expose the ghost. For such planetary rush, I’ll happy pay in Q planks.

Good news, the whole series is at Google book, now I need to find a Math tutor.