Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[Pinwheel]

That is an apt assesment. You, farmhand, h2ocommuter, raui - all seem to get it on some level.

Probably others.

[Pinwheel]

Perhaps I'm just trying to rationalize and justify my own inability to participate - and projecting that.

[Pinwheel]

I've also just purused Lamare's latest project and that seems legit as well. I think it's kind of a big project. I also liked the suggestion made to recreate Wheatstone's experiment.

[lamare]

I've also just purused Lamare's latest project and that seems legit as well. I think it's kind of a big project. I also liked the suggestion made to recreate Wheatstone's experiment.

Big, yes, in terms of it's potential impact.

In practice, it's not such a big deal to do, provided my design works as I think it will. The beauty of this project is that it can be done by just a few people. You need a radio amateur, a theorist and a craftman with some free time and the will to do it.

Add the beautiful instrument we have at our disposal at Dwingeloo, which is just a two hours drive from my home, and we have an opportunity of a lifetime:

Dwingeloo Radio Observatory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Pinwheel]

For arguments sake - this idea seems to have enough potential legs that if a proper proposal was written up, one might be able to get a small amount of grant type funding for it.

Not that one could actually get funding, but a truly professional and well thought out and planned proposal could stand on it's own as demanding some kind of recognition.

Just a thought.

[Aether]

I just think your negativity was a little rash and it was unwarranted to say this group of people can't succeed in reproducing Eric's work, or rather the technology Eric reproduced. You can't speak for anyone but yourself. I believe Eric has provided a great outline for what you specifically have to research, and I am very grateful for that. Now it's a matter of following through and thoroughly researching the subject at hand and eventually develop some technology based on it. There is nothing wrong with having a positive attitude about things, you just have to do something with that attitude to be productive. You have to do the work. Being negative or positive wont help anyone if you just sit there expecting things to happen.

[lamare]

For arguments sake - this idea seems to have enough potential legs that if a proper proposal was written up, one might be able to get a small amount of grant type funding for it.

Not that one could actually get funding, but a truly professional and well thought out and planned proposal could stand on it's own as demanding some kind of recognition.

Just a thought.

The point is that there is virtually no need for funding!

All we need is a few sheets of aluminum and a few copper tubes. Everything else is already there, including contacts with a radio amateur that regularly performs transverse moon-bounces with this instrument!

[Pinwheel]

I don't think I'm being that negative. As well, I still feel that arguments based on my own lack of understanding or my morally reprehensible negativity, designed to invalidate my arguments, are ad hominem.

Where's the Chris Carson device? Does it work?

Where's the Variable Reactance machine?

And who knows what else?

As far as I know, those old experiments haven't been expanded upon since the late 80's. 20/30 years give or take?

I mean, bounce a dielectric wave off the moon. Okay cool - it hasn't been done before. Seems legit.
Or, Dave is building an oscillating maganderson 2nd and 3rd harmonic etc etc. Okay cool - it hasn't been done before. Seems legit.

But I'm just "being negative", or I "don't get it", when I ask, "well, what about this other stuff that has already been done?"

And when I say this group hasn't done such and such a thing it's because it hasn't since 87-ish.

So yeah, I mean okay, maybe it's not that it (the group) "can't", but I'm pretty sure it "hasn't". Implying that it "won't"... after reading the mess in the Yahoo group... that's how I felt when I wrote it.... I like what Lamare's doing now I guess... meh.

I'll shut up now, I know I'm pissing you guys off. I'm not trying to be a troll or a douche. I was just discouraged by the shenanigans in the Yahoo group.

[Aether]

I was just pointing out what your arguments were in that first post you made, that doesn't detract from them at all, they stand alone on their own. My issue was mainly with this statement,

"I see little to no evidence that the members of this group will be able to capitalize on EPD's communications so as to come up with a device or even a thorough understanding of the theory. EPD's ability to even communicate is really substandard. Imagine you sent your kid to school to learn pre-calculus but the catch is that he/she has to learn this somewhat advanced subject via the exact same way that the 5 dozen or so of us are supposed to be learning arcane and extinct, actively suppressed, and dead technologies. Your child would not learn pre-calculus would he/she? You wouldn't even blame them."

it just seems like you don't want to put the work into it.

And I do wonder myself what has happened with devices, such as the ones you mentioned. Either way, it's your opinion, and I have mine, and this is starting to get off topic so I'm done with this too.

[Pinwheel]

it just seems like you don't want to put the work into it.

That's the ad hominem-ness I'm talking about. To paraphrase, "your own lack of moral characteristic 'X' (in this case laziness) is what is responsible for your poor point of view". Or, "your lack of moral upstanding = your invalid argument". Logical fallacy.


While this quote...

I see little to no evidence that the members of this group will be able to capitalize on EPD's communications so as to come up with a device or even a thorough understanding of the theory. EPD's ability to even communicate is really substandard. Imagine you sent your kid to school to learn pre-calculus but the catch is that he/she has to learn this somewhat advanced subject via the exact same way that the 5 dozen or so of us are supposed to be learning arcane and extinct, actively suppressed, and dead technologies. Your child would not learn pre-calculus would he/she? You wouldn't even blame them.

... is more about how learning is achieved. You'd blame the kid for not learning pre-calculus in the above case? The above method for instituting learning, while cheap and popular in the modern age, has the least statistical probability of perpetuating learning. Our current situation being only very very slightly better than if Eric was not participating at all.


For the record, EPD refusing to interact with modern technology in any way is just as absurd as having the worlds last highly qualified pre-natal neuro surgeon refusing to do a complicated surgery because he doesn't believe in the new "robo-scalpel". Also, he won't teach it because the teaching tools use 24v circuits instead of 12v circuits.

Once upon a time there were probably people that thought that the phone was from the Devil - they continued to use smoke signals. Boats? Satan! Refrigeration? Lucifer! The cotton gin? The printing press? Gun Powder? Alternating Current!?!?!? You might kill your horse if you use alternating current! Satan would love that!

And the fallacy I'm using now is appeal to ridicule, I guess.

[Raui]

I'm really not meaning to blow my own trumpet here but Eric has said things like this in the past;
"Raui seems to be the one that is able to progress with this material."
"(Raui seems to "get it" the best)"

I really am not that far ahead of you guys at all and I have had all the information that you guys have but with one probable difference, I'm actually reading the references and it's as simple as that. There is so much to be learned from these references. I urge everyone to read Electromagnetic induction and its Propagation by Heaviside, I have gleaned the most from this and I haven't even finished it yet! Even just reading the opening chapters of Steinmetz books will give you a lot greater understanding.

Put aside for a second any conception of electricity you had so it does not interfere. Pretend that it's not electricity your reading about it's another phenomena of nature since you might as well, current theory is so different to this. This way is much more symmetrical and representative of both halves of electricity (the magnetic side and the dielectric side) So if you want to do what I do and read some of the material Eric has said to read then here is a list that will take you very far;
Electromagnetic Induction
Electric Discharges,Waves And Impulses : Charles Proteus Steinmetz : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Theory and calculation of alternating current phenomena : Steinmetz, Charles Proteus, 1865-1923 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Theory and calculation of transient electric phenomena and oscillations : Steinmetz, Charles Proteus, 1865-1923 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Electromagnetic theory : Heaviside, Oliver, 1850-1925 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Also read up on Goethe and his theory of knowledge as it also ties in big time, Man or Matter is a good place to start for that.

While Eric's writings are drying up for this short period of time if anyone wants to progress further with this material then please read them. If you don't read them then don't be too hard on yourself if your not 'getting it' because 'your doing it wrong'. You might think these are 'outdated' but you should never judge a book by it's cover, they are goldmines if you approach them properly. Anyway, back to exam study I go Good luck guys

Raui

[Armagdn03]

I'm really not meaning to blow my own trumpet here but Eric has said things like this in the past;
"Raui seems to be the one that is able to progress with this material."
"(Raui seems to "get it" the best)"

I really am not that far ahead of you guys at all and I have had all the information that you guys have but with one probable difference, I'm actually reading the references and it's as simple as that. There is so much to be learned from these references. I urge everyone to read Electromagnetic induction and its Propagation by Heaviside, I have gleaned the most from this and I haven't even finished it yet! Even just reading the opening chapters of Steinmetz books will give you a lot greater understanding.

Put aside for a second any conception of electricity you had so it does not interfere. Pretend that it's not electricity your reading about it's another phenomena of nature since you might as well, current theory is so different to this. This way is much more symmetrical and representative of both halves of electricity (the magnetic side and the dielectric side) So if you want to do what I do and read some of the material Eric has said to read then here is a list that will take you very far;
Electromagnetic Induction
Electric Discharges,Waves And Impulses : Charles Proteus Steinmetz : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Theory and calculation of alternating current phenomena : Steinmetz, Charles Proteus, 1865-1923 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Theory and calculation of transient electric phenomena and oscillations : Steinmetz, Charles Proteus, 1865-1923 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Electromagnetic theory : Heaviside, Oliver, 1850-1925 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
Also read up on Goethe and his theory of knowledge as it also ties in big time, Man or Matter is a good place to start for that.

While Eric's writings are drying up for this short period of time if anyone wants to progress further with this material then please read them. If you don't read them then don't be too hard on yourself if your not 'getting it' because 'your doing it wrong'. You might think these are 'outdated' but you should never judge a book by it's cover, they are goldmines if you approach them properly. Anyway, back to exam study I go Good luck guys

Raui

You are the man Raui, Keep up the good work brother.

[jarvamundo]

read Electromagnetic induction and its Propagation by Heaviside,

this...........

[Kokomoj0]

So if you want to do what I do and read some of the material Eric has said to read then here is a list that will take you very far;
Electromagnetic Induction
Raui

do you per chance have page 524?

[Raui]

You are the man Raui, Keep up the good work brother.

Still doesn't hold a candle to what you've presented!

do you per chance have page 524?

Yes it is on page 96/249 of the scribd document

Raui