Peter, whatever happened with Eric P. Dollard?

[garrettm4]

Capacity C, Elastance K, Enductance M & Inductance L

A primary coil of coax or braided wire would increase the skin effect via surface area and the capacitance would be the mutual link to the secondary coil of one with specific inter-turn capacitance and suppressed self induction. it would seem then that the goal is an oscillating Psi field of extreme frequency to raise potential while avoiding the magnetic field that would reduce the effect. a self induced capacitor with negligible resistance and FTL transmission.

I believe the secondary is made up of maximal inter-turn MUTUAL-capacity K not self-capacity C, hence why you get two resonant frequencies, LC and MK, when doing a frequency sweep of the coil. With special reference to Borderland Science - Transverse & Longitudinal Electric Waves [1988] (Specifically, about 7 minuets into the video)

I might be wrong but, you could look at the secondary coil's individual loops as isolated metallic rings in which there is a mutual capacity K between all of them where the lines of dielectric induction are cut buy the individual "rings"(essentially a giant "elastor") frequency is in "per radians" as opposed to radians, next all the winding can be looked at as a single wire and their lines of dielectric induction interacting with the "ground" as a capacitance C, frequency in radians.

Its EASY to CONFUSE the two because you can look at an elastor as a capacitor when viewed from coil end-to-end. The understanding of self-induction and mutual-induction is the guiding light that clears this up.

Now there is the self-inductance L which is distributed along the coil's length, seen as a single long wire, next there is a mutual-inductance M between the individual windings, seen as a group of separate shorter windings. The magnetic induction of the self-inductance, L, is 90 degrees spatially out of phase of the magnetic induction of mutual-inductance, M. The LOOPS of magnetic induction for L are only along the wire's surface the LINES of magnetic induction M cut, or terminate on, each separate loop, the frequency of L is in radians whereas M is in "per radians". That takes winding a "coil" to the "next level", quite interesting if you ask me.

M & K are aligned in the same axis of propagation, both cut, or terminate on, separate "repetitive metallic structures" of the coil (other loops), L & C are 90 degrees spatially out of phase with M & K, and being in the form of self-induction as opposed to mutual induction the whole length of the wire is considered in their calculation as opposed to the individual structures of the coil. Quite complex if you ask me.

A helpful reference to the above description is:
E. P. Dollard - Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers [1986] (With specific reference to "Analysis", Figures 6, 7 & 9 and pages 16-31)

Now we come to the quadra-polar view of "Voltage and Current" e & I and E & i. Note that Voltage is not the dielectric and current is not the magnetic. EACH TAKE BOTH FORM. The geometry of the space surrounding the ENERGY of DIELECTRIC or MAGNETIC determines whether they are seen as Volts or Amps. Confusing I know, possibly enlightening when fully digested.

Some more "food for thought" is looking at things as SERIES or PARALLEL (shunt) ENTITIES. Example; resistance, r, series element, inductance, L, series element, elastance, K, series element, conductance, g, parallel element, capacity, C, parallel element, enductance, M, parallel element. While you can "convert" a parallel element into a series element, such as an elastance into a capacitance, (by using its reciprocal) it doesn't change how the lines of induction are propagated in the element so the conversions are "mental gymnastics" that confuse the mind into thinking they are equivalent. Numerically they are equivalent, Spatially, in terms of axis of propagation, they are not equivalent.

In conclusion, an MK wave is different from an LC wave and theoretically you can have MC & LK waves as well. This probably predicts why you can have Transverse-Magnetic TM waves (with Longitudinal-Dielectric LD wave byproduct), Transverse-Electric TE waves (with Longitudinal-Magneto LM wave byproduct) and pure Transverse-Electro-Magnetic TEM waves. As for pure Longitudinal-Magneto-Dielectric LMD propagation, pure MK, little is known and even less is openly available on this subject, aside from Mr. Dollards work.

Hope this wasn't off the mark (I'm just a High School dropout so don't take my word for it), hopefully Mr. Dollard will point out any errors in my understanding (or misunderstanding).

Garrett M

[Kokomoj0]

M & K are aligned in the same axis of propagation, both cut, or terminate on, separate "repetitive metallic structures" of the coil (other loops), L & C are 90 degrees spatially out of phase with M & K, and being in the form of self-induction as a posed to mutual induction the whole length of the wire is considered in their calculation as possessed to the individual structures of the coil. Quite complex if you ask me.

Garrett M

so are you implying that M,K and L,C should be designed to operate at the same frequency?

[garrettm4]

Not What I Intended to "Get" Across

so are you implying that M,K and L,C should be designed to operate at the same frequency?

If that is what you got out of what I wrote... then I feel as though I have completely failed in my "explanation"!

Note: I don't think it is possible to get LC and MK at the same frequency in the same coil, LC in Radians, MK in per Radians, one being TEM the other LMD. As for the intermingling of the two, if I am not mistaken, Heavyside's Telegraph Equation and the "wave factor", gamma, explains the situation quite well. This topic is treated for the alternating current case (uses a subset of the telegraph equation) in Mr. Dollard's book Symbolic Representation of Alternating Electric Waves, specifically pages 15-18.

LC = Transverse-Electro-Magnetic TEM

MK = Longitudinal-Magneto-Dielectric LMD

LK = TM & LD

MC = TE & LM

This may be wrong but, Ideally you would want ZERO L & C and only M & K for the propagation of a pure Longitudinal-Magneto-Dielectric Wave. Now that from an engineering prospective seems impossible so we will always have some L & C and thus Transverse Wave "residue" and the possible mixture of the two or LK & MC, both of which may or may not be desirable.

As for a Tesla transformer there are three separate coils, a terminal capacity and a ground connection that each focus on one of those four possibilities, (LC, MK, LK or MC) with a design emphasis on one form of induction (L, M, C, or K) per afore mentioned system element. In this case the LC configuration is not used, as far as I am aware, although the terminal capacity would be that of C (with reference to the ground) and the extra coil appears to favor L. Basically, each coil is designed to get rid of one form of induction in favor of another to reach its desired goal as a COMPLETE SYSTEM with the terminal capacity and ground connection. As of yet, I haven't devoted enough time to the consideration of EACH coil to give my opinion as to what coil favors what form of induction and their specific goal as a SYSTEM.

I don't claim to be the "master and commander" of the Tesla transformer, I've never built one (I do plan on doing so soon). When in doubt, refer back to the two amazing works by Mr. Dollard, Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers [1986] & Oscillating Current Transformer [1986]. These references fill in most of the missing design details.

If you listen to what Mr. Dollard says, you will start to see where I am coming from in what I wrote. Mr. Dollard says two big things, at least they seem quite important to me:

(1) There is a Quadra-Polar nature of VOLTAGE and CURRENT.

(2) MUTUAL-INDUCTION and SELF-INDUCTION are not the same thing.

Thus the dielectric is not voltage, the magnetic is not current, BOTH are SEEN as EACH, being dependent upon TIME and SPACE (geometry) of the METALLIC-DIELECTRIC boundary condition. The propagation of the differing "inductions" of the dielectric or magnetic are not on the same AXIS. Similar to the imaginary axis and the real axis, they coexist simultaneously but don't lie in the same direction, they intersect at 90 degrees. This doesn't mean that M K L & C have to all be in different directions only that the propagation of the two inductions of one form (Dielectric or Magnetic) are in different directions. So that is why I say that M & K lie in the same axis of propagation, whereas M & L do not (at least in the case of a Tesla Transformer Secondary). With reference to Figures 6 & 7 and especially Figure 9 in Mr. Dollard's Condensed Intro to Tesla Transformers.

I hope that someone else who is more "in tune" with these concepts will "chime in" and give their opinion on what I have said so that we can contrast what I have gotten from the T-rex writings with what they understand so we can clear up anything that is incorrect. Which is what collaboration is all about.

Garrett M

[garrettm4]

Question On Plank, Q with Respect to an Impulse Discharge of L or C into r

I don't believe this has been addressed yet, what is the relation of Plank, Q, during an impulse discharge of only one field energy i.e. DIELECTRIC or MAGNETIC? Where stored energy of a capacitor or inductor is discharged into an ohmic resistance.

Example for the Dielectric (with capacitor of "fixed" capacity):

Differential Voltage of Source via Law of Dielectric Proportion


Differential Current of Discharge from Source via Law of Dielectric Induction


Differential Current through Load resistance r via Ohms Law


"Time" found by setting both "currents" equal


When simplified


Time Constant, Tau


Tau Defined:

Its understood that the wave shape, of an Impulse Discharge, is that of an Asymptote, never reaching zero during discharge and never reaching 100% during charge. The TIME CONSTANT found in the above equation (rC) only relates to a graticule (one division) of time of this waveform, it does not represent the whole time, just a piece of time. It is considered that 5 of these pieces of time is the "practical" length of the discharge. Thus "time constant" tau equals rC and 5tau is the approximate length of the discharge in time, or 5 pieces of time (rC) is equivalent to the length of the discharge.

Union of Phi & Psi:

With the shape of the wave and the constants (r, C & tau) and variables (t, psi, e & I) considered, you will find that the field of MAGNETIC INDUCTION (phi) is nowhere to be seen. Thus Plank Q the unit of ELECTRIC Induction, or total electrification (union of psi and phi), is a perplexing quantity. Meanwhile, we still have Power P in watts and even energy in joules (if time is considered), all of which the plank is measured in.

So on to my question, am I a fool who can't see whats going on correctly or is an Impulse Discharge a "special" event where there is still Q in planks but in another form? Also, would I be wrong in calling this type of Impulse Discharge (C into r or g) a Transverse-Electric Impulse-Wave? If true, this would predict the existence of a Transverse-Magnetic Impulse-Wave (L into r or g).

Two Measurements of Power:

Usage of time with respect to power (shows the plot of the impulse discharge)
(eq1)

When expanded to show all terms
(eq1a)

Average Power (with respect to the whole discharge period, or 5Tau)
(eq1.1)

Where via the Law of Dielectric Induction with respect to the Time Constant, tau and Ohms Law
(eq1.1a) and (eq1.1b)

No time with respect to power
(eq2)

My next question comes from the second equation for power (no usage of time) which most people are familiar with, is this the sum of all stored power (with time taken into account) or is it the peak magnitude of stored power? I don't seem to get the same answers for both equations, maybe because we are dealing with asymptotes where we arbitrarily cut its length short due to it being infinitely long (in theory).

I hope I'm not crazy in asking these questions and hopefully Mr. Dollard or someone else smarter than me, may make some of these perplexities clear.

Garrett M

[madhatter]

I believe the secondary is made up of maximal inter-turn MUTUAL-capacity K not self-capacity C, hence why you get two resonant frequencies, LC and MK, when doing a frequency sweep of the coil.

I might be wrong but, you could look at the secondary coil's individual loops as isolated metallic rings in which there is a mutual capacity K between all of them where the lines of dielectric induction are cut buy the individual "rings"(essentially a giant "elastor") frequency is in "per radians" as opposed to radians, next all the winding can be looked at as a single wire and their lines of dielectric induction interacting with the "ground" as a capacitance C, frequency in radians.

Its EASY to CONFUSE the two because you can look at an elastor as a capacitor when viewed from coil end-to-end. The understanding of self-induction and mutual-induction is the guiding light that clears this up.

Now there is the self-inductance L which is distributed along the coil's length, seen as a single long wire, next there is a mutual-inductance M between the individual windings, seen as a group of separate shorter windings. The magnetic induction of the self-inductance, L, is 90 degrees spatially out of phase of the magnetic induction of mutual-inductance, M. The LOOPS of magnetic induction for L are only along the wire's surface the LINES of magnetic induction M cut, or terminate on, each separate loop, the frequency of L is in radians whereas M is in "per radians". That takes winding a "coil" the "next level", quite interesting if you ask me.

M & K are aligned in the same axis of propagation, both cut, or terminate on, separate "repetitive metallic structures" of the coil (other loops), L & C are 90 degrees spatially out of phase with M & K, and being in the form of self-induction as a posed to mutual induction the whole length of the wire is considered in their calculation as possessed to the individual structures of the coil. Quite complex if you ask me.

Now we come to the quadra-polar view of "Voltage and Current" e & I and E & i. Note that Voltage is not the dielectric and current is not the magnetic. BOTH TAKE EACH FORM. The geometry of the space surrounding the ENERGY of DIELECTRIC or MAGNETIC determines whether they are seen as Volts or Amps. Confusing I know, possibly enlightening when fully digested.

Some more "food for thought" is looking at things as SERIES or PARALLEL (shunt) ENTITIES. Example; resistance, r, series element, inductance, L, series element, elastance, K, series element, conductance, g, parallel element, capacity, C, parallel element, enductance, M, parallel element. While you can "convert" a parallel element into a series element, such as an elastance into a capacitance, (by using its reciprocal) it doesn't change how the lines of induction are propagated in the element so the conversions are "mental gymnastics" that confuse the mind into thinking they are equivalent (numerical they are, in terms of axis of propagation they are not).

In conclusion an MK wave is different from an LC wave and theoretically you can have MC and LK waves as well. This probably predicts why you can have Transverse-Magnetic TM waves (with Longitudinal-Dielectric LD wave byproduct), Transverse-Electric TE waves (with Longitudinal-Magneto LM wave byproduct) and pure Transverse-Electro-Magnetic TEM waves. As for pure Longitudinal-Magneto-Dielectric LMD propagation, pure MK, little is known and even less is openly available on this subject, aside from Mr. Dollards work.

Hope this wasn't off the mark (I'm just a High School dropout so don't take my word for it); hopefully Mr. Dollard will point out any errors in my understanding (or misunderstanding).

Garrett M

Thanks, that's exactly how I understand it as well. You've done a great job of describing it better than I did.

[garrettm4]

Question On Plank, Q Continued

Upon further algebraic examination, I have found some fascinating insight into this problem:

When we expand (eq2) (where time isn't used) from my prior post we get
(eq2a)

And when we simplify (eq2a) (this being a more esoteric form of the power equation (eq2), using only the lines of dielectric induction and its geometric confines to define power stored)
(eq2.1)

Now the simplified form of (eq1a) (time considered with respect to power) from my prior post (this showing the lines of dielectric induction, with its geometric confines considered, moving in time to define Power with respect to time)
(eq1b)

As can be seen, the two "simplified" equations look very similar, but yield different results! One being Static, (no time) showing the total stored energy, the other Dynamic, (time moving) showing the release of stored energy. Where the number "1/2" comes from in (eq2) or when rewritten (eq2.1) I have no idea, its quite perplexing to me! If someone could direct me to the proof of equation (eq2) I would be much obliged!

For the case of an Impulse Discharge, we can use Tau to define differential time, dt, in the above differential equation (eq1b) and thus (n denotes the number of units of time in Tau or number of elapsed Time Constants (total time of event). n being defined as greater-than or equal-to zero and equal-to or less-than 5)
(eq1.2)

When we expand the above equation we find some interesting things (here is the Average Power of an Impulse Discharge of a capacitor C into a resistance r or the movement of lines of dielectric induction from its spatial metallic-dielectric housing through a load resistance as a displacement current)
(eq1.2a)

If C is assumed fully charged and of fixed capacity and r a fixed resistance, then n or number of elapsed time constants is the only variable used to define Average Power of the Impulse Discharge (this is the case with a fully charged capacitor and modified for anything less than 100 percent charged). Some interesting phenomena manifest in the case of infinite resistance r and its reciprocal infinite conductance g with a finite capacity C. In the first case you will have ZERO POWER with INFINITE TIME of discharge the other ZERO POWER with ZERO TIME of discharge, this being the case when n is greater-than zero and regardless of the finite value of C. This of course can only be considered if capacity C has zero internal shunt-conductance and zero equivalent-series-resistance. Interestingly, both cases have ZERO POWER, one with no movement of the lines of induction the other with instantaneous movement.

Personal Insight:

Into deeper theoretical considerations, one could think of a "Super Conductor" as a medium in which lines of Dielectric Induction are in infinite circulation unable to dissipate (from infinite conductance, thus ZERO POWER) having a mono-polar diamagnetic field produced from a ZERO TIME Discharge of psi (in a unique form of amperes) which occludes lines of Magnetic Induction from entering. If this idea is looked at from the point of a Transverse-Electric Wave, we would now interpret the ZERO TIME Discharge as an “Instantaneous Movement” of the lines of Dielectric Induction in (or around the surface of) the infinite conductance g (if L is absent, which is the case for a superconductor). This Instantaneous Movement cannot happen in a dielectric medium if the finite velocity of light and its interaction with a dielectric medium are considered. This could explain how you can vary the strength of the diamagnetic field of a superconductor thus the psi per time (amperes) is now possible to calculate, from the finite velocity of c and its speed through a dielectric medium. Also a superconductor can be looked at as a special form of Capacitor in which the lines of dielectric induction are in motion as opposed to being static. This may or may not be an absurd accusation on my part, but, within the considerations shown on (eq1.2a) and conclusions I have developed from them it seem plausible.

With the above exercise, I have come to the conclusion that the measure of an Impulse Discharge's "Power" is an ambiguous quantity! This can be seen by considering the following; the greater the resistance, r, the more "stretched out" time becomes, the greater the conductance, g, the more "compressed" time becomes. All with respect to a finite capacity C and thus a corresponding finite amount of Energy. This "dilation" of time causes the different results for the measured magnitude of power, despite the same amount of lines of dielectric induction used. More simply said, a limited amount of Energy can be "compressed" or "stretched" by the Time Constant of the circuit. This is clearly seen in the form of the Voltage and Current magnitudes with respect to time. Also, I have come to the conclusion that resistance r "preserves" lines of dielectric induction (increasing magnitude of resistance r consumes progressively less psi per time) and conductance g "consumes" lines of dielectric induction (increasing magnitude of conductance g consumes progressively more psi per time). Whereas for the magnetic circuit this is the exact opposite, or resistance r consumes lines of magnetic induction (increasing magnitude of resistance r consumes progressively more phi per time) and conductance g preserves lines of magnetic induction (increasing magnitude of conductance g consumes progressively less phi per time). This is exemplified in the the cases of infinite resistance r for the rC circuit and infinite conductance g for the gL circuit, both have an infinite discharge time despite the finite storage of C or L. This somewhat predicts an LC oscillation, whereby a capacity C appears to be a conductance C/t to an inductance L and an inductance L appears to be a resistance L/t to a capacity C. Here, the lines of induction are not consumed but transformed from one form to the other as a storage and return of energy, whereby the conductance g consumes the energy of the capacity C and the resistance r consumes the energy of the inductance L causing the oscillation to eventually stop.

Generally considered, an Impulse Discharge would be useless and destructive for most situations, but, many interesting phenomena can manifest in their use (Tesla Transformers).

A few good references on this subject:
E. P. Dollard - Introduction to Dielectric & Magnetic Discharges in Electrical Windings [1982]
E. P. Dollard - Introduction to Dielectricity and Capacitance [1990] Mar-Apr JBR pages 10-13
Borderland Science - Free-Energy Research [1987] (Specifically, minuets 7 to 16 of video)

Power Developed Further:

One could take this topic further with consideration of the four different measurements of Power with usage of Heaviside's Telegraph Equation. A big thing to point out, is that TIME measurements and thus a corresponding frequency is based upon the wave-shape engendered by the circuit. Hence why the calculations for an Impulse Discharge are different than that of an AC Wave or even an OC Wave.

Vector Power (Volt-Amperes, Complex Plane Vector Measurement, "the sq root of the sum of the squares" or "Absolute Measurement") Voltmeter reading multiplied by Ammeter reading


Apparent Power (TOTAL Power, Re + Im Axis Measurement) Watt-meter reading plus VAR-meter reading


Active Power (Consumed/Produced Power, Real Axis Measurement) Watt-meter reading


Reactive Power (Stored/Returned Power, Imaginary Axis Measurement) VAR-meter reading


An excellent reference on this subtopic is of course:
E. P. Dollard - Symbolic Representation of Alternating Electric Waves [1985]

Garrett M

[Kokomoj0]

I believe the secondary is made up of maximal inter-turn MUTUAL-capacity K not self-capacity C, hence why you get two resonant frequencies, LC and MK, when doing a frequency sweep of the coil.

Garrett M

So which frequency we would choose then to best tune the extra coil?

[madhatter]

It's gone quiet...
Posted this in the moon bounce thread and figured it would be fitting here as well.

Also I was doing a bit more research and reading through Heaviside the other night I came across an interesting note, "Electrical notes Volume 3 Page 89"

"There are several cautions to be expressed regarding the
above. First the investigation has no reference to ordinary
waves along wires. They do not behave in the above way, even
if all resistance were done away with. The above waves are
forced waves, whether u be less or greater than v, although
only in the latter case is there permanent activity on the
average. If we want to represent waves of this type along
a wire, we require a continuous distribution of impressed
electric force along the wire, or something equivalent. That
is, the wire is to be a source of energy, instead of a sink, as
is usually the case with waves along them, for the loss of
energy by radiation of the heat is a separate matter, which
does not come in question."

in this same volume of papers Heaviside also talks about that induction can be absent when there is an infinite in length in the plane, then there is no way for it to terminate and thus it can not develop. Given how k is transverse to C if the wave of k is moving faster than v then the field would not have a termination point and induction would be absent from the coil.

I'm grossly simplifying here as I need to connect the dots with more formalism. However based on a number of things posted and read I see this,

the geometry of the secondary with it's inter-turn spaced wires is specificaly done to remove coil induction and enhance the k factor so that the transverse longitudinal wave will emerge, the primary coil being of coax could be considered the 'tickler' it's function is to get the secondary coil to be the source of energy and not mutually inductive to the primary, the extra coil is other node point for the wave and this increases the tension needed to keep the secondary as the source.

A good starting point to see further whats going on is from here as well,
Heaviside; Volume 3 page 30:
chapter 9
paragraph 465
The steady Rectilinear Motion in its own line of a Terminated
Electrified Line when u>v, and interpretation of the
Impure Conical Wave following an Electron.

Now if I'm wrong or off in anyway, Eric please point this out.

[Geometric_Algebra]

It has gone quiet because we have a monster stack of books and papers to study in addition to building our crystal sets.

[Web000x]

Cancellation of Eric's Welfare

It has actually gotten quiet because Eric went back to Lone Pine, CA to pick up his welfare check. Unfortunately, his welfare has been cancelled for whatever reason. However, there were some residual funds left over in his bank account from the last donation medium. I assume that the funds will not last him very long since it is not a large sum.

I was trying to wait until I spoke to Eric personally before I made an announcement to the Forum, but Eric not having a cell phone makes it rather difficult to contact him. He tried to call me from a payphone yesterday and had to leave a message because I didn't hear my phone ring. This was when I received the voice message indicating that his welfare had been cancelled. He tried to call me again today, but the payphone went screwy and we got disconnected. I tried to call it back but had no luck getting an answer.

I don't know if you all feel the same way that I do, but I enjoy having Eric on the forum giving insights into the work of Tesla. I started focusing my attention on Eric Dollard rather than trying to decipher the ambiguous "hints" that many other researches are giving as to not fully uncover all of their work. Eric has truly helped accelerate my understanding of science by cutting out a lot of the bull and providing useful, documented references given by the electrical pioneers. This information is priceless.

Eric was planning on going back to Morro Bay, CA (The home where he had access to internet), but since he is extra low on funds, he might end up disappearing for all I know. It doesn't take much to piss him off at this point in life seeing that his life's work has been snatched out from under him on multiple occasions. I am certain that an influx of funds would help spark his interest again since he has been spending hours daily in writing and answering questions for us all. It is easy to lose interest if you get very little in return.

I know that there are probably some of you who have become annoyed with me trying to persuade people to donate to Eric. I am not gaining anything but knowledge by helping Eric. I have spent many hours of my own time calling people for him, typing for him, and trying to convince him to stick around since he is having an impact on our understanding of "things". I know times are hard, but I sure can't keep him around by myself (and jpolakow). If any of you agree with what I'm saying, please find it within yourselves to help Mr. Dollard out by donating to him. It is very important that he doesn't go to the grave with the knowledge contained within himself.

Thank You for your time,

David Webster

P.S. @Sputins, I want to personally thank your for being the only consistent benefactor for Eric.

[Armagdn03]

Dave,

I fully agree with you, and do not think you have been pushing anything too hard. I really appreciate this thread and the contributors, and especially the work of Eric Dollard.

[amigo]

It is very difficult to do this remotely for all of us but the two of you near Eric. I hate talking in the third person here, but Eric is not around so what else...

I am not saying that we start taking care of Eric because that would absolve him from responsibility, which would be wrong on many levels. A more permanent solution is needed never the less, though one that directly involves, and is embraced by Eric.

The way I see it, Eric is so engulfed into his work that he does not want to deal with anything else (the daily "Earthly" matters) so he's mostly getting-by on a daily basis, probably even starving himself. Being so stubborn, Eric refuses to "budge" to the World and is expecting the World to change instead, which just won't happen.

Although none of us is financially wealthy to be a patron, we do have one common wealth among us all, and that is the head on our shoulders. So how about we brainstorm some ideas?

I'll start with one: a book deal. If a big publisher would sign up Eric to write a book on his own work, or Tesla's work, or whatever, that could provide Eric with a lump sum of funds in advance, and proceeds from the sales after publication.

[garrettm4]

It's gone quiet...

Also I was doing a bit more research and reading through Heaviside the other night I came across an interesting note, "Electrical notes Volume 3 Page 89"

"There are several cautions to be expressed regarding the
above. First the investigation has no reference to ordinary
waves along wires. They do not behave in the above way, even
if all resistance were done away with. The above waves are
forced waves, whether u be less or greater than v, although
only in the latter case is there permanent activity on the
average. If we want to represent waves of this type along
a wire, we require a continuous distribution of impressed
electric force along the wire, or something equivalent. That
is, the wire is to be a source of energy, instead of a sink, as
is usually the case with waves along them, for the loss of
energy by radiation of the heat is a separate matter, which
does not come in question."

That's quite a powerful quote if mentally digested. It reminds me of the "cold electricity" shenanigans people talk about. Whereby the load becomes a source and actively takes energy from the environment as opposed to actively giving back, all of which is in the form of infrared photons. One action is seen as heat released and the other as cooling or heat converted into electrical energy. (Or however you want to word it)

I thought I would share my goal for the Tesla Transformer. Personally I don't need power to be transferred across long distances or even super-luninal communication, instead I am looking for an apparatus to convert ordinary currents (read TEM Waves) into Tesla currents (read LMD waves) for use in dissociation of water (H2O) into H H O for various uses like heating my home and therapeutic effects of Browns Gas. With a possible secondary use for Electro-Therapeutics. Nothing fancy, but interesting to me none the less. I may post some of my design details in the future when I feel more confident of its construction.

[lamare]

I am looking for an apparatus to convert ordinary currents (read TEM Waves) into Tesla currents (read LMD waves)

My longitudinal antenna is designed to do just that

I cannot prove yet that it does, but at least it shows a standing wave at a frequency a transverse wave is not supposed to resonate, so I am pretty confident it works:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post173559

This is only practical at pretty high frequencies, though.

The trick is to get rid of the magnetic component using a sleeve balun. This appears to connect both to the Tesla Tower as well as Gray's device. And I think the principe can likely also be applied using coils instead of antenna:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post174521

However, no conclusive evidence yet. It may turn out to be the Rosetta stone, it may turn out to nothing much.

[Gestalt]

I thought I would share my goal for the Tesla Transformer. Personally I don't need power to be transferred across long distances or even super-luninal communication, instead I am looking for an apparatus to convert ordinary currents (read TEM Waves) into Tesla currents (read LMD waves) for use in dissociation of water (H2O) into H H O for various uses like heating my home and therapeutic effects of Browns Gas. With a possible secondary use for Electro-Therapeutics. Nothing fancy, but interesting to me none the less. I may post some of my design details in the future when I feel more confident of its construction.

Thanks for sharing your goals. Your posts are very informative and I would be curious to see what you plan on building in the future. I'm wondering why you wouldn't delve into Lakhovsky MWO instead of the Tesla Transformer for Therapeutic uses? I for one would like to try and replicate the Lahkovsky MWO, and I'm also intrigued by the potential Health Benefits of LMD waves. Karl Palsness reported some minor health benefits from the Tesla Hairpin circuit.(source)

I also am not particularly interested in superluminal communication either. And another thing I always wondered is, if Tesla was able to synthesize & create energy out of the ether, why go to the trouble of transmitting it? Wouldn't it be simpler to build small devices that create energy on location and on demand rather than depending on one centralized source? Is there any way to separate the energy synthesizing part of the Tesla Transformer from the transmission component?