Question for Lindemann, Brown, Dollard et al

[OrionLightShip]

In this video Tesla Longitudinal Electricity with above mentioned people, there is demonstrated longitudinal transmission using vacuum light bulbs creating a physical force and a capacitor charging anomaly associated with said bulb.

My question is: Has it ever been determined why this force and charging anomaly is associated only with the bulb and not with proximity of the physical wires? I can't see the bulb filament clearly enough to see if it is of the type that contains very small inductive windings incorporated. If it is, do you think the force occurs due to the inductive nature of that load or is it believed that this would occur in any conductor in vacuum as opposed to gas filled tubes?

My second question deals with the video whereby the analog model of both a TEM transmission line and the Longitudinal generator is demonstrated. My question, is that for a given frequency is there a special formula needed to calculate for the best value inductors and capacitors? Or does the standard resonant frequency formula work just as it does for TEM using the lumped value of capacitors in series and parallel and of the inductors in parallel? And if so, is there any difference in whether you use larger value inductors or smaller value inductors?

The more opinions the better and it would be greatly appreciated if this question was forwarded to Eric as well.

Perhaps these questions have been answered before or some will consider them stupid questions, but I have always operated under the premise that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask! Thank you.

Orion
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[OrionLightShip]

The silence is deafening.

Orion

[john_g]

Orion

As I understand it, Eric doesn't do computers, so, if no one is answering, it may be worth writing to him with your questions and an SAE - you have his address. Alternatively wade through the posts and references in the "Peter what ever happen to Eric Dollard thread" as the answer may be in there (I'm trying to get to grips with the literature myself but there is a ton of it!).

Regards

John

[Kokomoj0]

In this video Tesla Longitudinal Electricity with above mentioned people, there is demonstrated longitudinal transmission using vacuum light bulbs creating a physical force and a capacitor charging anomaly associated with said bulb.

My question is: Has it ever been determined why this force and charging anomaly is associated only with the bulb and not with proximity of the physical wires? I can't see the bulb filament clearly enough to see if it is of the type that contains very small inductive windings incorporated. If it is, do you think the force occurs due to the inductive nature of that load or is it believed that this would occur in any conductor in vacuum as opposed to gas filled tubes?

My second question deals with the video whereby the analog model of both a TEM transmission line and the Longitudinal generator is demonstrated. My question, is that for a given frequency is there a special formula needed to calculate for the best value inductors and capacitors? Or does the standard resonant frequency formula work just as it does for TEM using the lumped value of capacitors in series and parallel and of the inductors in parallel? And if so, is there any difference in whether you use larger value inductors or smaller value inductors?

The more opinions the better and it would be greatly appreciated if this question was forwarded to Eric as well.

Perhaps these questions have been answered before or some will consider them stupid questions, but I have always operated under the premise that the only stupid question is the one you don't ask! Thank you.

Orion
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ _____________________________
Please make a generous donation to Eric Dollard with a postal money order sent to:
Eric Dollard
c/o General Delivery
Lone Pine, CA 93545

well the theory is that you have pulses of infinitesimal width which will (processed) and will wind up transmitting DC through 1 wire, that wire being the earth.

correct to read; transmitting DC through space per eric dollard.

They are using argon on the pancake coil because it transfers energy better through the media (ether?), than the sphere capacitor coupling at low pressures.

For the DC experiment the same with the gaseous tube to create a pressure that is better coupled to the media. Take note he did it with only a wire and it still worked but not as good, I presume due to poorer coupling, and as soon as he had any corona discharge the meter (transmission) went to zero.

The glass does not stop the energy from being transmitted, but a discharge will drain it or short circuit it to the media.

The vacuum light bulbs and charging a cap from what I can tell again are must used to demonstrate DC transmission. (ac does not charge a cap to one polarity)

So far I have not seen any coils except those that eric built that account for as many electrical characteristics presumed of teslas coils into consideration.

I think the place I would start on all this is that transmission line that eric built and fully understand what is going on there.

I would like to know precisely what mechanisms are aligning those fields up. Maybe it really is as simple as the sum of j and -j = 0, but I expect in practice that is only the beginning.

That has never really been clear nor do I have a solid "cast in concrete" working theory, but I think I am slowly getting closer.

What really stands out in my mind is that he explained that you can "feel" the pressure and anyone who has worked with HV probably knows that if you break a hv connection just right you can feel something physically hit you which is the point most people will drop the wire thinking they got a shock and then look at you with a deer in the headlights look on their face realizing they did not.

Everyone in the videos repeat consistently that you can "feel" the pressure so I presume there is something very significant about that and while I have been able to get that to happen by accident I have not yet produced it as a steady pressure as apparently eric has.

Now you have meyl and others claiming they have reproduced the tesla transmitter effect and lindemann claiming they did not.

It would be fun to put all these guys in the same room and be a fly on the wall wouldnt it

[OrionLightShip]

well the theory is that you have pulses of infinitesimal width which will (processed) and will wind up transmitting DC through 1 wire, that wire being the earth.

That's a nice theory, and I understand the concept Eric talked about with combining series of harmonic frequencies forming a square wave because I programmed that into MathCad years ago and saw it for myself. At only four or five deep, a fairly well defined square wave appears, albeit with slow rise and fall time.

He states that a grounded quarter-wavelength antenna (coil) that is open circuit on the ungrounded end produces a sharp impulse. However in the experiment he connected a load (argon lamp) instead of using a sphere which I believe would have been more conducive to forcing the wave through the earth ground plane. There is also no definition of what an argon lamp is, but it looks like a regular light bulb which are back-filled with argon, so nothing special about it unless I am corrected and it was a discharge bulb of some variety such as a neon bulb.

Also missing is the oscilloscope waveform which would have been quite helpful. I am not second guessing the inventor, it just would have been nice in my opinion to see something different than a normal rf waveform as confirmation something special was happening. Power measurement at three points of distance would show it these transmissions were divergent from the square law indicating something extraordinary.

I also do not understand the tuning to resonance whereby he states that one resonant point is TEM and the other is LDM. Again, an oscilloscope would have been most helpful in illustrating that difference if it does indeed exist on a coil of that particular design.

They are using argon on the pancake coil because it transfers energy better through the media (ether?), than the sphere capacitor coupling at low pressures.

Yeah, a light bulb transfers rf energy quite well, which is exactly what Tesla designed against. Back in my ham radio days, a light bulb made for a good dummy load and also acts quite well as an antenna, having experienced excellent reception a couple of miles away with only a few watts, So for all we know he could have just as easily been transmitting and receiving through the light bulbs with normal rf.

For the DC experiment the same with the gaseous tube to create a pressure that is better coupled to the media. Take note he did it with only a wire and it still worked but not as good, I presume due to poorer coupling, and as soon as he had any corona discharge the meter (transmission) went to zero.

I will have to watch the video again as I can't remember that last part. Transmission of electricity through a “plasma” bulb or fluorescent tube with one wire is simple and not to be confused with something exotic. Especially at high frequencies or and high voltages. Those electrons or waves or lines of force (if you please) will find a way back and forth to ground and a second wire is not required.

The vacuum light bulbs and charging a cap from what I can tell again are must used to demonstrate DC transmission. (ac does not charge a cap to one polarity)

How do you know that the cap was charged with one polarity? AC charges caps just fine. If you don't believe me, run your air conditioner a few moments and then go grab hold of the motor starter cap. All we know is that a discharge occurred. Also, for all we know it could have been an electrolytic polarized capacitor which would have charged on the half-cycle.

I think the place I would start on all this is that transmission line that eric built and fully understand what is going on there.

Again the same problem with no oscilloscope demonstrating what was really happening. You can change the phase relationship between voltage and current without anything exotic occurring. They do it to run three phase motors all the time with just two capacitors.

I do love that setup because it does put the current in phase with the voltage and because it is a voltage multiplier, but again, I'm not sure anything exotic occurred or that any laws of Newtonian Classical Physics were broken. What would happen if you added one more stage? Would it still be in phase?

All it would have taken to prove it was something special is to have encased it in a grounded aluminum box and to show that LMD could be detected at some distance. Same thing with the transmitter and receiver with the argon bulb. Encase everything in a perfect Faraday cage except for the ground to prove that transmission was occurring strictly through the ground plane. Incidentally, you can bury a well designed antenna and transmit through the earth with normal TEM waves.

I am not impugning the character of the inventor or observers, I am merely pointing out that there was no real scientific methodology in place to prove claims of exotic electrical phenomena. I am not on a witch hunt, I am merely a seeker of knowledge.

I would like to know precisely what mechanisms are aligning those fields up. Maybe it really is as simple as the sum of j and -j = 0, but I expect in practice that is only the beginning.

That has never really been clear nor do I have a solid "cast in concrete" working theory, but I think I am slowly getting closer.

After having extraordinary contact with the metaphysical, I put away i and j. Just as chemistry is a subset of physics and physics is a subset of quantum physics; they are all subsets of metaphysical reality that has been revealed and proven to me time and again. Where is that damn metaphysical oscillogram when you need it!!!

What really stands out in my mind is that he explained that you can "feel" the pressure and anyone who has worked with HV probably knows that if you break a hv connection just right you can feel something physically hit you which is the point most people will drop the wire thinking they got a shock and then look at you with a deer in the headlights look on their face realizing they did not.

Try holding a color tv tube anode lead with a pair of needle nose pliers and have some idiot walk up and turn the tv off and find yourself on the floor with a deer run over by a car look on your face.

Everyone in the videos repeat consistently that you can "feel" the pressure so I presume there is something very significant about that and while I have been able to get that to happen by accident I have not yet produced it as a steady pressure as apparently eric has.

What kind of pressure? Was it repelling force or attraction like the copper? Normally, eddy currents form in a metal in direct opposition to the forming currents which repels the metal. This is easily demonstrated with the aluminum washer sitting on a coil and launched when current is discharged through the coil. But for copper, a supreme conductor, to be attracted, well, that is something that could have (if true) put Eric Dollard on the map and won him the Nobel Peace Prize for discovering a new fundamental force. For nothing to have been published in Nature or other scientific journal is just beyond my understanding!!! Perhaps he tried and was rejected. It would be nice if someone in the know wrote a book about the history of Eric P. Dollard.

Now you have meyl and others claiming they have reproduced the tesla transmitter effect and lindemann claiming they did not. It would be fun to put all these guys in the same room and be a fly on the wall wouldnt it

Yes it might be, however, I can't even get two active members of this forum who have the answers to my questions on the same page as I, much less in a room together.

I have no interest in replication due to my attention and limited funds going to my own project. The only compelling evidence to me is the attraction force on a copper strip (unless it was electrostatic charge on the tape) and the math that Eric used to show superluminal speed had occurred. Without answers to my questions, I have no further interest in this thread so it will fade into the back pages.

I will be building the LMD analog computer and testing will confirm if this is something special or just a phase corrected TEM voltage multiplier. But that will be another thread in the distant future.... First the high vacuum system and the five minute fusor...then the multipactor.

Orion

[Web000x]

Eric is computer illiterate. I don't know if Tom Brown is a forum member. And for Peter Lindemann, he is not Eric. I asked Peter some questions about Eric's work, and he didn't have an answer so you can't expect him to answer things that he might not know. The experiments were obviously Eric's for the most part. If you're really interested, write Eric a letter. He will reply.

Dave

[OrionLightShip]

Thanks Dave, you are right of course. I am making assumptions again as I am prone to do from time to time.

I will wait until he gets settled at his new address and the demands on his time have lessened.

Orion

Eric is computer illiterate. I don't know if Tom Brown is a forum member. And for Peter Lindemann, he is not Eric. I asked Peter some questions about Eric's work, and he didn't have an answer so you can't expect him to answer things that he might not know. The experiments were obviously Eric's for the most part. If you're really interested, write Eric a letter. He will reply.

Dave

[Kokomoj0]

well the theory is that you have pulses of infinitesimal width which will (processed) and will wind up transmitting DC through 1 wire, that wire being the earth.

That's a nice theory, and I understand the concept Eric talked about with combining series of harmonic frequencies forming a square wave because I programmed that into MathCad years ago and saw it for myself. yeh that was some miserable to use stuff, but very effective LOL At only four or five deep, a fairly well defined square wave appears, albeit with slow rise and fall time.

He states that a grounded quarter-wavelength antenna (coil) that is open circuit on the ungrounded end produces a sharp impulse. However in the experiment he connected a load (argon lamp) instead of using a sphere which I believe would have been more conducive to forcing the wave through the earth ground plane. Unfortunately those videos were such poor quality, that and now they are converted to flv format its difficult to see exactly what he was doing there.

There is also no definition of what an argon lamp is, but it looks like a regular light bulb which are back-filled with argon, so nothing special about it unless I am corrected and it was a discharge bulb of some variety such as a neon bulb.

My assumption was that since only one wire was going up from the center of the coil that he was using both electrodes of the bulb much like these plasma balls are set up.

Also missing is the oscilloscope waveform which would have been quite helpful. I am not second guessing the inventor, it just would have been nice in my opinion to see something different than a normal rf waveform as confirmation something special was happening.

yep I agree with you there. It was quite common to stand 4 feet away from these guys with their 1/4wave whip, and 1000 watt kickers on their cb radio and light 4 foot fluorescent tubes all day and watch the light vary to the am modulation when they talked as well. So I tend to fall asleep watching bulb lighting videos. LOL

Power measurement at three points of distance would show it these transmissions were divergent from the square law indicating something extraordinary.

I suppose another assumption is that they were using only that low power generator to power the coil. If that is the case and that is correct then my next assumption would be well below 1 watt transmission power through a cliff 3000 feet away with a coil and argon bulb on top gives the first impression of pretty cool and better than expected distance, but again without measurements its back to guessing.

I also do not understand the tuning to resonance whereby he states that one resonant point is TEM and the other is LDM. Again, an oscilloscope would have been most helpful in illustrating that difference if it does indeed exist on a coil of that particular design.

ah huh, I wrestle with that one myself. Especially since tesla said the coil is 1;4 wave. Now eric states the pi/2 speed is through the ground at the sbarc meeting but does not specifically state it is also through the air. (though it would seem it had to be)

Right or wrong Eric is one of the few people who has ventured into this that does not peg my BS meter in the red. So for the moment I believe there is an explanation for it somewhere. In his defense he is one of the few people who appear to drive to the core of the matter and at least speaks a language that I understand, though some of these concepts are somewhat difficult to completely wrap my mind around.

Anyway I ponder the possibility that 2 independent actions are taking place at the same time. Meyl also did the same validation in his demo.

meyl shows tesla longitudinal electricity transmission in 2003

Then what really tosses a wrench into the works is the boat demo.

about 2/3 of the way down you can see boats which for me at least is another head scratcher.

Tesla - Eric Dollard

They are using argon on the pancake coil because it transfers energy better through the media (ether?), than the sphere capacitor coupling at low pressures.

Yeah, a light bulb transfers rf energy quite well, which is exactly what Tesla designed against.

Now thats a more difficult one I think. My understanding is that he tried to reduce the radiation resistance which from what I can tell is presumably directly related to the reciprocal voltage and current being out of phase?

Cutting to the chase it appears eric (they) are trying to "create a potential" between 2 points rather than propagate a magnetic wave through space. However that tends to tie my brain in knots, so to keep my sanity I have concluded that they must be talking about more than one function that can happen at the same time. an analogy would be modulating a carrier for instance.

Now meyl has his own way of presenting this that has a couple german physicists pulling their hair out.



versus the conventional way we were all taught





Orion

you might like this:

DD Fusion - YouTube

[Kokomoj0]

Back in my ham radio days, a light bulb made for a good dummy load and also acts quite well as an antenna, having experienced excellent reception a couple of miles away with only a few watts, So for all we know he could have just as easily been transmitting and receiving through the light bulbs with normal rf.

Unfortunately I cant argue against that one because as you said there really is no data other than simply show and tell.

It would be nice to know more details and I would be if surprised peter lindemann would not remember, at least approximately as test setups are usually very specific.

However you hit upon another one of my sticky points when I get on this topic as it tends to leave me with more questions than answers.

Since coils are such a biatch the best I have ever seen is get close formulas for design since they react to everything around them as well.

So when they find 2 different frequencies is it an unaccounted for resonance of some sort or (insert doubt here), some other phenomena that maybe we have not even considered. I have not see anything really conclusive in the demonstrations myself, however.

It would seem if it was a blending of media that it would fall somewhere in the (186* prop velocity of the wire + 292)/2 for round trip time, now thats way over simplified but I expect you get my drift.

For the DC experiment the same with the gaseous tube to create a pressure that is better coupled to the media. Take note he did it with only a wire and it still worked but not as good, I presume due to poorer coupling, and as soon as he had any corona discharge the meter (transmission) went to zero.

I will have to watch the video again as I can't remember that last part. Transmission of electricity through a “plasma” bulb or fluorescent tube with one wire is simple and not to be confused with something exotic. Especially at high frequencies or and high voltages. Those electrons or waves or lines of force (if you please) will find a way back and forth to ground and a second wire is not required.

Right and that is part and parcel to why I tend to fall asleep with lighting fluorescent bulb videos. Anytime you have a potential difference you will have leakage between them in some respect. What I found interesting though is the DC experiment.

The only way I can add that up (based on what eric is saying), is if the media acts as a capacitor itself and can be charged with (something) to create this potential in the same manner a bridge rectifier charges a cap.

If you can create a DC potential difference in LA that can be measured in San Diego then that is really something. Its my impression that was the point of the DC experiment, that is can be measured a distance from the source via space.

The vacuum light bulbs and charging a cap from what I can tell again are must used to demonstrate DC transmission. (ac does not charge a cap to one polarity)

How do you know that the cap was charged with one polarity? AC charges caps just fine. If you don't believe me, run your air conditioner a few moments and then go grab hold of the motor starter cap. All we know is that a discharge occurred. Also, for all we know it could have been an electrolytic polarized capacitor which would have charged on the half-cycle.

Now that is a really good point that I had not considered. That is bang on, and it could be charged on either side of a sine couldnt it. In fact holding it near the bulb and turning it off would put a nice charge on it one would think

I think the place I would start on all this is that transmission line that eric built and fully understand what is going on there.


Again the same problem with no oscilloscope demonstrating what was really happening. You can change the phase relationship between voltage and current without anything exotic occurring. They do it to run three phase motors all the time with just two capacitors.

Agreed

I do love that setup because it does put the current in phase with the voltage and because it is a voltage multiplier, but again, I'm not sure anything exotic occurred or that any laws of Newtonian Classical Physics were broken. What would happen if you added one more stage? Would it still be in phase?

from:

TRANSMISSION OF ELECTRICITY
Eric P. Dollard
© 1987

If an electric circuit is conveying electro-magnetic energy as previously discussed it is found that a force or pressure is exerted upon the circuit material. This pressure tends to repel opposing parts of the circuit material and cause the circuit to expand. The quantity of this pressure in the space bounded by the circuit is called the magneto-motive force of the circuit.

It can therefore be seen that the conducting materials serve as the walls of a container holding magnetic pressure. If the conducting material is in the so-called superconducting state and the ends of the circuit are shorted the electric circuit will hold this magneto-motive pressure indefinitely, in analogy with compressed air stored in a tank. In order for this to be the result of electron flow requires that this flow be in perpetual motion, an unlikely proposition. It may be concluded that materials called electric conductors might best be called electric obstructors and serve not to conduct electro-magnetism but serve to reflect it back on itself. The flow of electro-magnetism is conducted by the aetherous space bound by the obstructing material.

The character of this aetherous space is represented by its inductance L and its capacitance C. Since pure space is considered a perfect insulator by atomic theory is it not ironic that it offers the least resistance to the flow of electro-magnetism? Is it then the insulators that are the true conductors of electricity.

I think lamare has everything eric has done posted on his site.

All it would have taken to prove it was something special is to have encased it in a grounded aluminum box and to show that LMD could be detected at some distance. Same thing with the transmitter and receiver with the argon bulb. Encase everything in a perfect Faraday cage except for the ground to prove that transmission was occurring strictly through the ground plane. Incidentally, you can bury a well designed antenna and transmit through the earth with normal TEM waves.

I am not impugning the character of the inventor or observers, I am merely pointing out that there was no real scientific methodology in place to prove claims of exotic electrical phenomena. I am not on a witch hunt, I am merely a seeker of knowledge.

Agreed that can also be found in most antenna design handbooks out there and while I agree that the tests were lacking in several ways there are still some very intriguing points that he made that we are not taught to deal with except to smuff it out as unwanted.

It has always been my impression that eric did that more so as proof of concept than anything because tesla did light those bulbs at a good distance from his transmitter and he did power remote control boats and that was way back in 1900.

Everyone in the videos repeat consistently that you can "feel" the pressure so I presume there is something very significant about that and while I have been able to get that to happen by accident I have not yet produced it as a steady pressure as apparently eric has.

What kind of pressure? Was it repelling force or attraction like the copper? Normally, eddy currents form in a metal in direct opposition to the forming currents which repels the metal. This is easily demonstrated with the aluminum washer sitting on a coil and launched when current is discharged through the coil. But for copper, a supreme conductor, to be attracted, well, that is something that could have (if true) put Eric Dollard on the map and won him the Nobel Peace Prize for discovering a new fundamental force. For nothing to have been published in Nature or other scientific journal is just beyond my understanding!!! Perhaps he tried and was rejected. It would be nice if someone in the know wrote a book about the history of Eric P. Dollard.

well I do not know if what can be felt by my hand would effect metal the same way. I am thinking not. If you look up the old poltergeist movie the entity it is similar to that. you can feel something physically hit you, if you are not expecting it, it will give you pause, it gives everyone pause, in fact I warn people not to drop the wire if that happens, LOL Its like an invisible dry water balloon for lack of a better description hitting you and it was quite forceful. I just use a 15kv neon transformer and 30kv wire arcing one terminal to another, sooner or later you will get that effect unless there is something unique about the particular one I have.

I will be building the LMD analog computer and testing will confirm if this is something special or just a phase corrected TEM voltage multiplier. But that will be another thread in the distant future.... First the high vacuum system and the five minute fusor...then the multipactor.

the rest...............

[OrionLightShip]

I have no problem calling Eric a genius. My problem is understanding his "language". When he adds math I haven't used in 20 years because I became a software guy instead of sticking with chemistry; he simply makes my head spin. Still trying to grasp the concept of dielectricity and how you can intercept, convert, and measure it with conventional means. I've really not seen any compelling evidence that such an animal exists, but then again, I can't prove all of the strange experiences that I have had in my life either and if you read my book, there's a good chance you would think I was delusional and the book just touches the surface of what I have seen and had happen to me.

I have never experienced the force you describe but it is sure to be a transient caused by rapidly changing potential causing a rapid increase in current flow. The force I experienced was also a transient but I was hooked up direct, and even with insulated pliers; I ended up on my ass and in a daze.

Looking at Tesla's work with impulse currents and exploding wires, there can be no doubt such phenomena exist. So, I believe that is the place to look for anomalies of radiation that passes through faraday shields and perhaps may not obey the square law. Not a tesla coil.

I have somewhere, a pdf of a university project where they make a solid state marx generator that creates a 10's of kilo amp electron beam which they pass into the atmosphere through a plasma window. The plasma window actually tightens the beam into a pencil lead beam. The electrons ionize the air and don't get far but it is a tight beam of a several nanosecond pulse. I wouldn't want to be anywhere in front of that! If there is an anomaly to be found (if you knew how to detect it) that would be a good place to start. The only limit to power is the price of capacitors.

If however, you wanted to transmit through the ground plane, you would want the "open end" of the circuit to be a parallel resonant circuit with the inductor shielded. Infinite resistance to the resonant frequency, not a lamp acting like an antenna.

I will also have to check into meyl's work if I find the time. I appreciate your response and references.

Orion

[dR-Green]

They are using argon on the pancake coil because it transfers energy better through the media (ether?), than the sphere capacitor coupling at low pressures.

The argon bulb helps to "push" the energy down (or out) to the other end of the coil effectively. A fluorescent or neon or metallic terminal has a certain capacitance. It's not a "load" or an antenna in the usual sense.

The effect of this can easily be seen through changing whatever is connected as the terminal. Just using one coil, not a transmitter/receiver setup. If Eric replaced that size argon bulb with a little neon, the output would be a lot less. This would then have the inevitable and apparent effect of being a "poorer reception" when using both coils. That is not the case. It has the effect of reducing the transmitter's output. That is why the receiver would not receive as well. In fact, it would be receiving just fine. You'd be transmitting less power.

Now you have meyl and others claiming they have reproduced the tesla transmitter effect and lindemann claiming they did not.

I would have to agree with Peter

[dR-Green]

Example: I can have an incandescent bulb connected by one wire from the coil output. With nothing or a small neon bulb as the inner terminal there is very little light in the incandescent. I then connect a 8 watt fluorescent tube as the terminal, the fluorescent lights, the incandescent bulb at the output glows brighter, and the input remains the same.

[edit] In fact the input gets a little less because these things affect the spark gap and so the current it draws.

[Kokomoj0]

If however, you wanted to transmit through the ground plane, you would want the "open end" of the circuit to be a parallel resonant circuit with the inductor shielded. Infinite resistance to the resonant frequency, not a lamp acting like an antenna.

I will also have to check into meyl's work if I find the time. I appreciate your response and references.

Orion

you might find this interesting. see what you can gleen from it.

The biggest problem I have with erics lectures is that one of his sentences has about 1000 sub catagries of knowledge that must be attached to it to understand it and he makes often times 10 unique points per sentence. So its intense. LOL



Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBARC Ham Radio with Chris Carson - YouTube

oh and if anyone can figure out what the rest says I will add it to the chart

UPDATED CHART

[OrionLightShip]

that is a very good diagram! I will have to put some thought into what he says again.

Orion

[Kokomoj0]

yeh I noticed that the more that I am able to wrap my mind around the more I "get" from the same lecture. So I have listened to it more than once and each time wind up focusing on something I previous missed or took out of context.

If you see any errors in that graph or can figure the rest out let me know or feel free to correct it. Much of the writing was so blurry I could not understand it.