Tesla pancake coil powering crystal receiver?????

[magnetman12003]

There are many postings on the internet about how to make tesla free energy receivers. I have made one of them myself and they do work. You need a long antenna wire and a good ground to see that happen or be very close to a power source itself.

Having said the above has anyone given thought to making such receiver as above but employ a pancake tesla coil within the receiver ??
That coil if constructed properly would enhance radiant energy signals and convert that to DC voltage and current. Hopefully the current then would fall into the milliamp range or better. Right now you can get the voltage but the current is in the micro amp range.

Hope this spars a lot of interest and someone delves into it. Inexpensive to do as caps and diodes don't cost much.

Contact me at 65tferko@gmail.com. As I am very interested in your findings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkMNq4e3ew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKjoDuYKAs8

[dR-Green]

There are many postings on the internet about how to make tesla free energy receivers. I have made one of them myself and they do work. You need a long antenna wire and a good ground to see that happen or be very close to a power source itself.

Having said the above has anyone given thought to making such receiver as above but employ a pancake tesla coil within the receiver ??
That coil if constructed properly would enhance radiant energy signals and convert that to DC voltage and current. Hopefully the current then would fall into the milliamp range or better. Right now you can get the voltage but the current is in the micro amp range.

Hope this spars a lot of interest and someone delves into it. Inexpensive to do as caps and diodes don't cost much.

Contact me at 65tferko@gmail.com. As I am very interested in your findings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImkMNq4e3ew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKjoDuYKAs8

The operation of the coil is the same regardless of the geometry.

The "coil for electromagnets" bi-filar coil is a different thing and will not work here, I assume you are aware of the differences and are not referring to that.

No coil converts anything to DC. To do that you will need a diode/rectifier.

You have basically proposed the Crystal Radio Initiative as put forth by Eric. You can do it with flat spiral coils if you like, but it will be more difficult to get it working if you don't have any previous experience with designing such things.

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If you are trying to merge the power transmission patents with the radiant energy patents, Tesla didn't see any reason to merge them, and the radiant energy receiver isn't working on any particular frequency so a coil of wire in that system would be mostly redundant and has no practical purpose. The coil that's shown in the radiant energy patent, according to the patent description, is used as an electromagnet to control another, optional, part of the device, in this case a ratchet - depending on what the user wants to use it for, it's not necessary for the operation of the application itself. That's why the coil isn't in every diagram, but every diagram refers to the radiant energy device.

[mikrovolt]

Thomas,
There are helical coil can be ready made or purchase. One of the successful designs look like this.
Actually made from two spider coils, one separate from the other so Q is high.
http://cafendeso.info/spider-coil-crystal-radio/

By having one clockwise and another counter clockwise connected at the center
This is where the antenna feeds in. this allows a series tuned tank terminated in plate.
A variable capacitor between one plate and one helical end with connection point.
a fixed capacitor between the other helical end and plate.

Recalling the role of the diode is to pick off the modulation.
The Tesla pancake design patent was for power application.
I have read about several antenna designs that use helical.

[dR-Green]

... All of which will do absolutely nothing to enhance the performance of the radiant energy device because the coil has nothing to do with it as it doesn't operate on any particular frequency. They are two different and separate inventions/ideas/applications.
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Crystal radio = modulated power
Unmodulated power = power transmission

Crystal Sets Gone Wild - YouTube

It's all the same thing. And there are still no antennas, only ground. As a matter of fact using the Tesla system makes the signal stronger on conventional radios in the local vicinity.

[mikrovolt]

The Tesla experimenter will find this Tesla patent "Method of signaling" 723188
useful it describes the original bench model using common artificial ground
and the wireless circuit. The orientation of the pancake coils and antenna feed point
being in the center. Figure 1 CW being TX and CCW being RX. Signaling
being the type of electrical transmission of energy for messages and powering
novel devices which became lost by establishing building rules of crystal radio.


Tesla had specific design criteria using the hertzian spark gap and expanding
the basic model into more elaborate signaling and or keying. The role of the earth
currents seen by series circuit drawings page 275 and accomanied data.
https://books.google.com/books?id=NB...%2C772&f=false

Instead of arguing about diodes or coherer audion ect (sensitive instruments) or
other point of threshold active elements of which type was inmaterial to patent.
In my opinion Marconi was in America to pick brains and pass info to Lodge and Muirhead.
The role of the sensitive coherer was to detect the disruption caused by electrical waves.

I will point the reader to p.2 line 105 original stating the series arrangement which has everything
to do with the function of the Tesla's signaling explained by Tesla himself herein:
The drawings themselves are clear and specific and leads to a better understanding
of what was to follow.

The google version, nope.
Patent US723188 - Method of signaling. - Google Patents

The original transcript.
http://www.rastko.rs/cms/files/books/46c5e785e19f9.pdf