Ray Savant - Muhamed - Techzombie Exposed

[Aaron]

update

I banned Daniel Poet (Daniel Lapp) because of his repeated nonsense and trouble making. We are establishing facts here and he obviously is drinking Techzombie's kool-aid so he is not welcome here.

Techzombie is preparing another video with the goal to portray Eric as a drug fiend. Any meth references are discussing the past and he is editing it for his own purposes to cut out that fact.

David Wittekind, David Webster and John Polakowski have ALREADY come forward with statements over the last few years they've been around Eric, Eric was never on meth.

Since these are the primary people involved with Eric's non-profit and lab and these people are the ones Ray is showing to be on Ray's side in his video, that shows you right there what the facts are.

Therefore, nobody involved in this situation (or in Ray's video or otherwise) corroborates Ray Savant's (Techzombie) allegations.

"The entire 2 years I have known Eric I have never seen him do meth or have any behavior that suggests he is using meth." - John Polakowski, EPD Laboratories
http://www.energeticforum.com/235838-post1016.html

"In regard to Eric currently using meth, I have never seen him use it or had any indications of him being on meth in my experiences with him." -
David Wittekind, President, EPD Laboratories
http://www.energeticforum.com/235895-post1021.html

"I want to add my 2 cents to this idea that has been thrown about where Eric has been accused of being on meth. In the two years that I have been in contact with a very open and honest Eric Dollard, he has never said anything to make me believe that he was continuing to use meth after the Landers station was taken from him. I do not believe that Eric is currently using meth." - David Webster
http://www.energeticforum.com/235998-post1034.html



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[BigLew]

[QUOTE=Aaron;236118]I banned Daniel Poet (Daniel Lapp) because of his repeated nonsense and trouble making.

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All he did was disagree with you. He said over and over again he didn't believe Ray. You've been exposed as a petty dictator. I didn't drink nobody's koolaid and I think you're a nut-job. So why don't you ban me too?

[jdodson]

All he did was disagree with you [Aaron]....You've been exposed as a petty dictator. I didn't drink nobody's koolaid and I think you're a nut-job.

All Dianiel did was contradict himself and insult everyone else. He insulted, Aaron, myself and even Eric. He also insulted this entire forum calling it a urinal.

If "all he did" was disagree with Aaron, he would still be here.
Please dont follow his lead and start insulting everybody as well, BigLew.

[BigLew]

If "all he did" was disagree with Aaron, he would still be here.
Please dont follow his lead and start insulting everybody as well, BigLew.

***

Not insulting anyone but you'd have to be a blind-dog not to see how this Aaron fella is a crackpot. Just here in this one ol' forum he's threatening about ten people and banning other folk. You seem like a nice guy, sorry you can't see how much of a Peter-Pumper this Aaron fella is.

[Aaron]

@biglew

[quote=BigLew;236122]

I banned Daniel Poet (Daniel Lapp) because of his repeated nonsense and trouble making.

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All he did was disagree with you. He said over and over again he didn't believe Ray. You've been exposed as a petty dictator. I didn't drink nobody's koolaid and I think you're a nut-job. So why don't you ban me too?

I made it very clear what this thread is for - to keep a record of all of Ray's lies and abuses. I have a lot of documented evidence here that is irrefutable proof that Ray Savant is making up lies.

For Jordan L (daniel poet) - filling up multiple threads with condescending remarks to multiple members is not acceptable and his posts are not even on topic. The topic is Ray Savant exposed.

Jordan didn't really say he didn't believe Ray, he said he thought the video was poor, etc... he continued to criticize every post I made.

I'm not the nut job here - you obviously do not know the facts and have not researched it. This thread is a legal record of Ray Savant's crimes and that is what this thread is for in addition to documenting the truth about what actually happened.

If you are not contributing to these efforts, you are off topic and your posts here will be deleted. If you want to stay a member and watch or actually participate in a positive way in another thread where you can stay on topic, you're welcome to stay.

[Aaron]

going public

I saw this post on another forum:

"I’m judging is Aaron Murakami. He started it, and he brought this whole mess into the public. And his statements are some of the most vile and nasty things I’ve read on the internet."

Had a look around and here and that seems pretty true. Aaron Murakami seems to have a lot of hate for a lot of people. Going about it nasty ways, too. Just my 2 cents.

Peace sign huh? We'll see...

Go read WHY it came public. It is about him trying to get on the board of directors and Eric did NOT want that to happen. All the private efforts failed so the only way to get Ray away from Eric and his lab was to bring this public. You need to really put yourself in Eric's shoes and see it from his point of view. Eric was feeling helpless because nobody would help him have the right people on board that he wanted and it is his own organization.

[Aaron]

very important point!

This is ridiculous.

TechZombie's video is nothing more than a bunch of highly edited clips taken out of context. It also contains a couple of spelling errors and shows his lack of both editing skill and apparent care for the english language. He claims to have stayed up three days straight to make it. Wonder how he managed to avoid sleep for that long...

If truth were his objective, then he'd post the full video clips to provide context for the quotes.

Seems pretty obvious that Eric's side of the story is supported by the events of the recent past, while Techz's story has shifted and altered as Eric's opinion of him became known.
Also seems pretty obvious that he was taking advantage of the fact that Eric is not chained to a computer like most of us.

You bring up a VERY IMPORTANT point - Ray Savant needs to be challenged to show the video unedited without all his hyped up garbage added to it. That will show the truth.

[Aaron]

look again

I saw this post on another forum:

"I’m judging is Aaron Murakami. He started it, and he brought this whole mess into the public. And his statements are some of the most vile and nasty things I’ve read on the internet."

Had a look around and here and that seems pretty true. Aaron Murakami seems to have a lot of hate for a lot of people. Going about it nasty ways, too. Just my 2 cents.

You did not see the email attacks on me behind the scenes. Again, you are simply not aware of all the facts. I posted it and if you don't get it, you should look again at the REAL SEQUENCE of events.

[Miranda]

Eric Dollard Pontential

Oh my god. Aaron and his sock puppets squashing the potential out of Eric like lemons in a squeezer. This argument doesn't even involve Eric anymore, now it's just Aaron tossing insults at TechZombie and others, and banning those who don't deserve it. Aaron is now just talking to himself. I wish you guys good luck

[Aaron]

jinnwe.com owned by Ray Savant - Techzombie

jinnWE: The Revolution Begins

The website that Ray Savant - techzombie owns - on that site he has a few usernames to make it look like there are multiple users, that includes Tech Zombie, WAD, etc... his WAD username is what he used to post the Adolf Hitler material here: Banned Books of Truth by wad


Registration Service Provided By: Namecheap.com Contact: suppo**@namecheap.com Registered through: eNom, Inc. Domain name: jinnwe.com Administrative Contact: Ray Savant (raysavant@gmail.com) +1.21255512** Fax: 463 west 49th st New York, NE York 10019 US Technical Contact: Ray Savant (savantray@yahoo.com) +1.21255512** Fax: 463 west 49th st New York, NE York 10019 US Registrant Contact: Namecheap.com Namecheap.com Namecheap.com () Fax: 8939 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #110 - 732 Westchester, CA 90045 US Status: Locked Name Servers: NS1.LEETSTRADINGCO.COM NS2.LEETSTRADINGCO.COM Creation date: 28 Jan 2011 06:32:00 Expiration date: 28 Jan 2015 06:32:00

[Web000x]

Minor update -

Supposedly Ray Savant put the money from the Lone Pine Writings book into the EPD Lab fund. That looks good, but it goes completely against what Eric Dollard wants.

Eric wanted that money to go to Webster - wanted him to get some of it if not all of it. And he doesn't want Ray to do anything with it - you already know that. Just another example of them doing what they want regardless of what Eric asks.

Just like Webster forcing Eric to give him half of the money put into Eric's hands at the end of the conference so it could go to the lab.

Getting money for the lab is fine, but it has to be done with integrity. And Eric has a right to have money that is his own.

First of all, let's clarify some things. I got a good chunk of money from the Lone Pine books sales. TechZ was setting up the sales so that I would get a recurring revenue stream. I told him that I didn't really care about getting the money myself but would rather see it go to EPD Labs to help fund Eric's lab. This was my decision to have the money go back into EPD Laboratories. Eric and I never discussed me receiving the money for the purpose of furthering my experiments.

Second, I never forced Eric to give the donated money from the conference to the labs. We had a discussion right there at the bar where I explained to him that EPD Labs has expenses, and he agreed to allow some of the money to go into the organization. If you call that forced, you should write your own dictionary. Let it be known that there is only 6 months worth of operating capital in the EPD Labs bank account. It seems pretty obvious that there there is a need for donations into EPD Laboratories.

There is not one person who choose to stand by Eric's side that was willing to come forward in his defense against Ray - not even Webster and Polakowski.

You have NO idea who is good or bad because you haven't seen the facts. I will reveal another fact about Webster because I caught him in a lie and it will be pointed out. You are delusional and have been drinking too much kool-aid.

I actually defended Webster many times believing it was just out of a misunderstanding, he means well, etc... then I saw him outright lie about something and that was the end of it.

Can you guess why I didn't come to Eric's defense?

I am not going to defend anyone, Eric Dollard or not, that comes out against the very people that have worked very hard to try to help the them. Yes, there may have been some issues within the organization that could have been dealt with differently, but due to Eric's bush life, there was a crippling lack of communication between all parties involved. Instead of sitting down like adults, flamethrowers started firing up in the public eye and that was about the time that I opted out. If you can't defend all of your flame throwing yourself, you may need to reconsider you actions next time you decide to 'help out'.

I lost an amazing girlfriend because of my dedication to Eric Dollard's cause and I am intent on getting her back. I want no more involvement with this which is unfortunate because it seems as if I'm about to have to deal with some more slander. Aaron, Please expose my 'lie'.

Dave

[Aaron]

Web of Lies

I got a good chunk of money from the Lone Pine books sales. This was my decision to have the money go back into EPD Laboratories. Eric and I never discussed me receiving the money for the purpose of furthering my experiments.

Second, I never forced Eric to give the donated money from the conference to the labs. We had a discussion right there at the bar where I explained to him that EPD Labs has expenses, and he agreed to allow some of the money to go into the organization.

If you call that forced, you should write your own dictionary. Let it be known that there is only 6 months worth of operating capital in the EPD Labs bank account. It seems pretty obvious that there there is a need for donations into EPD Laboratories.

Can you guess why I didn't come to Eric's defense?

I am not going to defend anyone, Eric Dollard or not, that comes out against the very people that have worked very hard to try to help the them.

Instead of sitting down like adults, flamethrowers started firing up in the public eye and that was about the time that I opted out.

Aaron, Please expose my 'lie'.

Dave

So you now calling Eric a liar. You told Eric that Ray was using the money to pay for a camera man. Why would you lie to Eric about that if you actually were receiving the money? Never discussed using the money so you can continue your experiments? Eric seemed to be very clear about the fact that he stressed to you the importance of WHY you need to be the one to keep the money. That is what Eric wanted you to do with the money, seems obvious. For you to give it to the lab is completely disrespecting Eric's wishes. The experiments that were being posted here are VERY important to Eric but you take it upon yourself to do what you want. Good job helping Eric there! Just like you forcing Eric to give you half of the donations collected at the end of the conference. That was pretty low of you.

Asking Eric for the money was a slimeball thing to do. Techzombie is supposed to be the master fund raiser and if that is the case, why are guys broke, coming to my conference to leech off of what I setup for Eric? It's hard to raise any funds when you keep giving his life's work out like free peanuts at the bar. Many things are obviously supposed to be free, but much of Eric's work has a value and people can respect that. If Techzombie didn't mismanage all of Eric's work, the whole lab would be paid off by now with proper campaigning for the lab.

Eric was promised from the very beginning that all that rent would be taken care of. How do you think that kind of contradiction makes him feel?

Obviously the lab needs money. But you guys working with Ray Savant Techzombie were supposed to have some master plan at raising funds, etc... but instead, you come to the conference and without permission, you solicit the paid attendees for donations to the lab. You were completely out of line. You disrespected the conference's organizational leadership. I never had an agreement with the lab, only with Eric personally. My word to Eric was that money from the conference would be his own money and not the labs. You "helped" him so much that you take away his dignity when you do those things.

You told me you wanted to come as Eric's guest so Eric could have a familiar person there and that was it - and that is why I gave you a guest pass. You didn't mention one single thing about representing the lab. You were a trojan horse for the lab. You show your true intent by stating elsewhere that Ray and others thought it would be good for you to come to get donations. That is one deception that is already revealed. What you told me was completely opposite from what you were actually doing.

I also made it very clear to you on the phone (by voice), etc... that no money from the conference was to go to the lab and was only to go to Eric. Do you remember that? And why was that? Because Eric ALREADY did NOT trust Ray or the rest. When Eric expressed that distrust to me, that is when I decided to make sure all the money goes directly to Eric. So what do you do besides having a different agenda than what you told me for coming to the conference? You ask for donations for the lab. You have absolutely no honor or integrity in what you say.

Eric coming out against those that are helping him? Threatening to put Ray on the board, when it is obvious that Eric wants him out of his life is helping him? If Ray had the slightest true intent to actually be of help to Eric, Ray would have backed off from any attempt to get on the board of directors and would be helping Eric quietly behind the scenes doing promotions without his name attached.

And with you knowing that Eric does not want anything to do with Ray, you and Polakowski continued to support and side with Ray instead of Eric. And you wonder why Eric isn't happy with you guys? I didn't have anything to do with that - that was all amongst you guys and Eric's other buddy who he wanted on the board of directors, who was being counter opposed by Ray.

That is what this is really about. The tug a war with Eric's organization and that made him sick and is why he said his organization is being hijacked. Nothing behind the scenes worked, none of Eric's concerns were met with any kind of compassion or remedy. So Eric demanded that it be made public. It was his idea and I agreed to back him because he himself was backed into a corner with nowhere to turn. If it wasn't brought public, Ray would still be trying to force his way into Eric's organization unwelcome and there would still be no progress with the lab and Eric would have headed for the hills already.

You have slipped multiple times and this is yet another: " the very people that have worked very hard to try to help the them. "

EXACTLY! The very people that worked hard to help THEM. Like I said originally, help themselves to Eric. That was NOT a typo, it is a Freudian slip, there are actually TWO words - we can see the root idea that was in your subconscious mind when you typed this. Thank you for revealing just a bit more about yourself.

You are either delusional or you really are intentionally lying: "flamethrowers started firing up in the public eye and that was about the time that I opted out. If you can't defend all of your flame throwing yourself, you may need to reconsider you actions next time you decide to 'help out'. "

Really? Kind of interesting how you just conveniently left out all of Eric's very serious concerns about Ray needing to be booted from Eric's life from not just Eric but Eric's other EE buddy in the bush and the glommeister's concerns that Ray needs to be GONE. And ALL of that was before anything was ever brought public. I can clearly see how you are manipulating this and I hope I'm not the only one.

One question to finish up - was it you or Polakowski that posted Eric's T-Rex post against Farmhand (sheep reference)???

[Aaron]

DanielPoet

Danielpoet's and BigLew are logging in from the SAME computer!

I will ban BigLew as he is DanielPoet who claims to be "Jordan Lapp".

One, 2 skip a few.. 99 i hate you, a poem by pitch BLACK. poets love Poem at allpoetry (death worshiping "poem")

iceonfire@hushmail.com

Here he is:

[Farmhand]

Aaron, I think what the EPD Lab crew is saying is. You can have Eric, he's all your's.

Or Eric is all his own, I think they want out, deciscion made. That is how I see it. Most sane people will
see there is a point where, it's best to just cut the losses and back out. A situation with
no winners can have that effect.

I just hope Eric can do something himself because I doubt he will ever get many people
to work with him. I know I wouldn't take it.

I'd like to know if I can donate directly to David Wittekind, so he can be less adversly affected
financially at least. Who else thinks we should strike up a donating fund for David Wittekind.
The other Dave has some relationship patching to do, I hope it works out for him we
can't donate to help with that.

Lets rally around the one most adversly affected. I think he will appreciate the help at least.
He seems like a genuinely good man, with a huge heart.
I would prefer people like him over free energy any day.

Cheers

[Aaron]

@Farmhand

Aaron, I think what the EPD Lab crew is saying is. You can have Eric, he's all your's.

Or Eric is all his own, I think they want out, deciscion made. That is how I see it. Most sane people will
see there is a point where, it's best to just cut the losses and back out. A situation with
no winners can have that effect.

I just hope Eric can do something himself because I doubt he will ever get many people
to work with him. I know I wouldn't take it.

I'd like to know if I can donate directly to David Wittekind, so he can be less adversly affected
financially at least. Who else thinks we should strike up a donating fund for David Wittekind.
The other Dave has some relationship patching to do, I hope it works out for him we
can't donate to help with that.

Lets rally around the one most adversly affected. I think he will appreciate the help at least.
He seems like a genuinely good man, with a huge heart.
I would prefer people like him over free energy any day.

Cheers

He's not "mine". Please frame your language responsibly. My relationship with Eric was only to have him as a speaker and to publish his talk and book and possibly other material. I always supported the lab, but that support has to be separate from Eric's personal business. I want the lab to continue with Eric and the people that he wants to be in the organization. I do not want, nor have I ever had, any intent to be on the board of directors or in any official position with the non-profit. I just want to promote its campaigns to help them out and I have connected Eric with a friend who has a lot of equipment Eric can use at the lab.

Eric ALREADY won and so did I. People that matter to Eric know the truth about Ray Savant Techzombie. The lab will be just fine.

I don't want to see Wittekind lose anything and neither does Eric. What's fair is fair. Please leave those decisions about Wittekind's finances to him and the organization.