COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

[witsend]

Hello henieck - you ask some good questions. I'll try to answer them.

The diode is positioned to return the reversed current flow from the collapsing fields in the off period of the duty cycle. It takes the energy back to the battery and recharges it.

The positioning of the battery is badly explained perhaps. Let me try again. Run the test on on 12 volt battery. Change nothing on the circuit design. But then take a second 12 volt battery and link its negative terminal to the test battery's negative terminal. NO LINK BETWEEN THE TWO BATTERIES ON THE POSITIVE RAIL. Then take the diode away from the positive terminal of the test battey and put it onto the positive terminal of the second battery. Then you'll be able to see the second battery recharges - immediately you run the system. That proves that the collapsing fields are returned to the power supply source provided always that the voltage spike exceeds the voltage of the supply source - obviously. If it's too low it may not exceed battery resistance to recharge it.

Then look again at the required power measurements as I detailed in my post to TinselKoala. That's an anagram of Nikola Tesla.

Regarding your concerns re the 'flow of electrons' as current flow. That's your choice. It's just if you do buy into it then you must somehow explain how those electrons flow through the material of the battery itself. This need was answered by classicists by saying the battery itself has free floating protons. This is nonsense - for the reasons I explained. If protons conduct those electrons through the battery then they would be hydrogen atoms. And the net result would be that this would increase the voltage potential of the battery rather than decrease it.

But you do not have to buy into my objections nor my explanation of current flow. The idea of electrons flowing has served science extremely well and has taken quantum electrodynamics to levels that are unequalled in any other branch of physics. It's just that the model of electrons comprising current flow is hopelessly flawed - despite the extraordinary success of this field.

Good luck on those experiments. I'd love to see your analysis of the power delivered/dissipated.

[witsend]

Allcanadian - I was so hoping to hear from you. I have read your posting with some considerable interest. Thanks for the welcome.

I'm glad you like the emphasis back to the objects of the test. But that's all I can do. My knowledge of circuitry is somewhat bereft. But my knowledge of physics may make up for that lack.

Delighted to see that you've found the answer to Tinselkoala and Gauss. I think there's a general consensus that they have no real intention to promote new discoveries. The question always is Why? In any event someone needed to speak out. I've always believed in speaking the mind.

And so nice to speak to you too. As mentioned - I was hoping you'd reply - somewhere.

[TinselKoala]

Unbelievable.

Or rather, all too believable.

I built the circuit as shown in the publications by Rosemary Ainslie, with the ONLY difference being the MOSFET, which has nothing to do with the problem I found.

Witsend has trouble with mosfets; maybe she's not using the right ones or the right construction. After all, I show, right on the videos, where I do what she says is impossible. I can even run that mosfet at 100 percent on in this circuit if it's properly heatsinked.

Allcanadian says "No, I think we wish to debate TK's circuit because it has no premise for showing a gain, it is inaccurate and misleading."
And yet it is the SAME circuit as shown in the Quantum article and the EIT paper. But I will agree--it has no premise for showing a gain.

I address each of Rosemary's points in a post:
Claimed OU circuit of Rosemary Ainslie

[witsend]

and Armagdn03. I've referenced you but for some reason entirely overlooked your post. Thank you for your greeting - very much indeed. I'm honoured to know you guys. I was actually wondering if I'd hear from you - and have just found your post. You must blame it on my eyesight - which is appalling.

[witsend]

Tinselkoala - I have no intention of answering any further posts. In truth I'm not sure that you wrote the last post as your standard of language is different to the previous. I think Gauss answered in your name. How do you do that? Do you share computers?

[Joit]

Tinselkoala - I have no intention of answering any further posts. In truth I'm not sure that you wrote the last post as your standard of language is different to the previous. I think Gauss answered in your name. How do you do that? Do you share computers?

Hi and wellcome from me2@witsend.

Hum, no, Gauss is a natural Theroretican, what knows, how we must build it, just he is the only one, what never shows a Result.

And for the other T. Edison's, well lets wait, till they show us her Book
-Hundret Ways how things dont Work.-

Beside, shouldnt this Curcuit run with only 2 Coils, Shunts and maybe a Lightbulb too ?
As i played once aruond with it, i did use 2x2200µf poled Caps,. and maybe this even been maybe to small.

[Armagdn03]

Thanks again Rosemary for joining, and such quick and thorough responses. Here you are not under qualified, you are appreciated. Insight never came from the universities. To quote Great man, "Mediocrity is self-inflicted, but Genius is self-bestowed." W.R.

There is a lot more that can be gleaned from this circuits of this type than first meets the eye. Really this entire field of engineering comes down to understanding the properties of compression or tension and relaxation.

For example, In this circuit a battery is used. The could be said to be in a compressed state. This simple fact gives it polarity. Much like taking a step forward gives you direction.

On the other hand the circuit being powered is in a state of relaxation, it is neutral, it has no polarity to speak of.

When switched on, the battery begins to relax, and the inductor begins to compress. You will find that the load will heat, and the battery will cool down. This is very much the same way heat pumps in refrigeration units work but in a different disguise.

Those who are looking for "cold" electricity, forgot to measure battery temperature while discharging.

This is why I mentioned in an earlier post, that there is an electrical equivalent to the ideal gas law, PV=nrT.

What is really interesting about this circuit, is that it creates a continual flow, or circulation of current in the load, meaning continual heat, while the battery does not cool an equal and opposite amount.

Here the battery and circuit could be considered a system. the circuit alone without the battery could be considered a sub system, exactly like the Sun and Earth. As the sun gives us energy, we recirculate it within our own system.

Because of the nature of the way we are using energy, (interchange between kinetic and potential states) we can see that this all relates back to trigonometry and the unit circle, which defines these relationships.

Think about this.....

Space, and all material can be defined by their relative permeability (inductance) and permittivity (capacitance). All energy flows through space in the standard 90 degree shift (just like our little LC tank circuits).

The energy in a capacitive element is .5C * V^2

The energy in an inductive element is .5L * I^2

These represent the two legs of a right triangle, or the sine cosine functions.

To find the actual energy in the system in a given point, you would find the resultant hypotenuse. Enter the Pythagorean Therum,

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

Thus we can take a mass.... find its respective permeability or permittivity
and use the following equation where the energy in inductive and capacitive elements are substituted in for a and b in the therum.

((.5C * V^2)^2) + ((.5L * I^2)^2) = c^2

(looks complicated but its not)

essentially you have energy in a capacitive element squared, plus energy in an inductive element squared = total energy squared. This holds to both large macro systems like we are building, and to finding the energy contained in a small rock or atom.

Well look at that..... seems we have taken E=MC^2 and put it in a more proper form, which we can directly engineer around, and requires no PhD in abstract mathematical modeling and B.S..

Just as the equation shows, if either permittivity or permeability are zero, the hypotenuse equals the remaining leg of the triangle, which solves the problem of the "singularity" quantum mechanical physicists cannot wrap their minds around. They think if one parameter drops to zero, the resultant should go towards infinity or zero, which is clearly not the case. In an LC if inductance is at zero, capacitance is maxed out, and vice versa, they don't go to an infinite or zero state.

The world can be solved with the understanding of systems no more complicated than what is taught to 8th graders, the way it should be!

Again, this may seem off topic, But the more you learn, the more its all related.

I am happy to see order and reason have been restored, I feel much more comfortable sharing in this environment. Thank you all for making this a good place to spend time.

Andrew

[witsend]

Joit - I cannot understand a word of your rather cryptic post. Please enlighten us. The one sentence seems to contradict the next and the sacrasm is too obtuse to lend it any sensible meaning. Try again? I think this is more than just a language barrier though.

[witsend]

Armagdn03 - what a fascinating post. It's manna from heaven for me. But I need to study it and will get back. I love these types of discussion. And - at first reading - love your analogy. Thanks for the really interesting points.

[Joit]

Joit - I cannot understand a word of your rather cryptic post. Please enlighten us. The one sentence seems to contradict the next and the sacrasm is too obtuse to lend it any sensible meaning. Try again? I think this is more than just a language barrier though.

Well, you did ask, if Gauss share his PC with Tinselkoala.
My answer was only No. he does not.
Ok i had a typo, i meant Theoretician.

[Aaron]

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[jibbguy]

@Gauss: Shame on you for bringing your personal problems with Peter to this thread (...based on your earlier disagreements with his well-supported skepticism regarding Timothy Thrapp and "WITTS".. A totally unrelated subject).

Please note that you are not gaining credibility for your cause by making wild and unsubstantiated accusations; of that you can be sure.

In fact many are beginning to look upon you now as a deliberate distractor & fomenter of distrust.... Such tactics do not work on this forum (...for long anyway, lol)... If this is an "unfair" characterization, then please prove it by not doing these things in the future: Because your actions of late really do appear otherwise.

But i will also state that anyone can make mistakes... And that you have posted stuff of interest and value in the past, imo. No one here i believe would "condemn" you for your strongly-held beliefs about WITTS ; there is room for all view points here. So please don't condemn those who honestly hold differing opinions. Please understand that "Disagreements" are no reason for enmity or distrust: They are Challenges.... And how we meet them defines us.
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@All:

Let's get something straight here: We all have projects going, we all have specific areas of study in which we concentrate. If many of us here have not dropped everything to replicate this circuit immediately, to other's schedules; then that is neither surprising, nor any indication of ANYTHING other than the "usual condition"

Ms. Ainslie's work IS WORTHY of much greater study; and in a "real world", Universities all over the Planet would have long ago been testing this, building and expanding on it, and examining and debating the new theoretics behind the results that would properly explain them.

But as usual, we in the Community must do the heavy lifting ourselves.

Hopefully now more of us will attempt it (since imo, there is good reason for a prospective Replicator to expect successful results), and with the information we have been graciously given so far and may yet gratefully receive, any problems experienced in such a Replication can very likely be solved... Should the attempts be sincere and open-minded.

Many thanks to Rosemary for taking the time to educate and help us all! And welcome to the "town hall of free energy"

[Guest]

Truly enlightening Armagdn03. What you're saying is mostly over my head, but the fundamental concepts make sense to me.

[witsend]

Armagdn03 - I love the ease with with you draw paralles to so many different aspects of energy. It really is a remarkable study - and done with such facility. I'm blown away.

Had never thought of the relationship between the battery and load as you've described it. It is, indeed, a symbiotic relationship - perfectly synchronised in that give and take. And that a battery could be compared to cold energy is spot on. I just hadn't seen the relationship between this and the heat on the resistor.

Well done Andrew. I love it when parallels are found - and you seem to have mastered a wide range from some really basic observations. That's really clever.

I'm also glad to see that we've restored reason to this thread. It's remarkable how disruptive negative thinking can be. Where does it come from?

Can I ask you a personal favour - if you're up for it. Could you or Allcanadian try and work out why the benefits of this circuit have eluded detection? I cannot understand how the gains could have been overlooked on this simple circuit and it's a question that is forever being put to me. I have no idea. I simply do not know enough about other circuits. Any input would be gratefully accepted.

And again - how nice it is to be with kindred spirits. I just keep smiling.

[witsend]

Jibbguy - thank you for your welcome. I'm delighted to belong to the town hall of free energy. I'm not altogether sure that it's entirely free - but pretty close. I see you've scolded Gauss. Perhaps I've been too harsh? But I am not that familiar with any of the other threads and I find it particularly offesive that he should recommend that he get my addresses. Why?

Anyway - yet again - thanks for the welcome Jibguy. Hopefully the day will come when you'll find the time to do some testing. But I know, only too well, how life's demands are such we can't always indulge our real interests.