COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

[henieck]

In this test it is very very difficult for me to understand how energy could slip though the input 22 Ohm resistor and leave basically no heat and end up in the collapsing field side resistor at higher temperature then the boiling point and also do work pushing up a one pound magnet over 3/8 of an inch off the coil.

-clearly my lousy explanation, that there is additional phantom current flow present in the loop didn’t help much…

Just under any circumstances, please don’t make any serious energy input/output analysis now, or do it the church lady’s approach to physics – so the lady will have some more really happy days, after what happened when I tried to explain to her few things. Please, this is her thread and lets respect what is she here REALLY for...

[witsend]

gotoluc - have just seen your revised test. In fact I watched it through twice. I dare not show my delight else I'll be seen to have lost some of that required objectivity - BUT WELL DONE

In any event. I would love to see some comment from Hoppy, (from memory - not sure if I've referenced the name correctly. Apologies if I haven't.) He is nothing if not objective and he may be better satisfied with less variables in the test apparatus. I don't think it would be reasonable to argue those results. Just validate the circuit, the apparatus and then fine tune the measurements. And perhaps Peter and Aaron could give their input. I think it's important.

Thank you so, so much gotoluc. I wonder if I could impose on you to get the circuit design, component parts, coil details et al - into a schedule of some sort. I'm going to do my level best during the coming week to see if I can somehow solicit comment from our revered academics - if I can breach the heights of those lofty ivory towers. I do know that there are those few who are very approachable. It's just unlikely that they'll make a public comment. But this, at least, may deserve replication in their labs. I'm a hopeless optimist - but there you go. If you could post details on the thread that would be excellent. Then others can set it up for themselves. Else, may I impose on you to simply send it to my private message system. Please add your email address.

Again - many, many thanks. This is very well done indeed. I'm sure it needs tweeking - and I'm sure that Dr Stiffler will be able to give advice re establishing detailed temperature measurement. But - as a ball park - it's got to be enough to prove that elusive gain.

[gotoluc]

Thank you Rosemary for your positive comments once again

My friend Groundloop has software to make schematics and he is usually the one who helps me when people are asking for a schematic. I will send him the information and see if he can help this time as I think he said he was not home or something. Let us see.

Luc

[witsend]

Joit - I overlooked your post. Thanks very much for the support. It is really good to know that you are well used to the flak that comes from those few. I'm still relatively new to it. Maybe time will change that. I love a good intellectual argument. Just don't like the verbal assault that some indulge.

Thanks anyway. I appreciate it that the most of the members are really very supportive. That's were my comfort lies.

[gotoluc]

Hi Rosemary,

I just sent the details to Groundloop as he says he can maybe do it before he leaves for his vacation in two hours from now.

Let's hope he can do it... Go Groundloop

Luc

[witsend]

Hi gotoluc - I've been laughing at that little emoticon. Never saw it before. So cute.

Indeed - go groundloop. There. I've found it. I'm blind as a bat so miss a lot of the options on offer.

In any event, does this mean that Groundloop will sort out a testing device? Or do the circuit? It doesn't seem that difficult. I thought you were running a pulsed DC from a power supply source?

In any event. I am just so happy at the moment. It's well after my bed time. 12.52. Everyone is fast asleep. And I just can't. I have never really got into motors. Donovan told me that he knows your other work from youtube. I don't know the extent of even Peter's work let alone Dr Stiffler et al. But I do know that you're using a version of the switching circuit - and you're using counter electromotive force to add energy. That's been my story for 10 years. No-one can blame me for feeling so happy because yours is the very first replication that I've seen of the principle - outside my own little device. You've given me a really good day.

[henieck]

I don't think it would be reasonable to argue those results.

- what???

...it's got to be enough to prove that elusive gain.

- are you a scientist or scientologist of some closely unknown type?

Indeed – “elusive” it the quintessential characteristics of that “gain”.

[Joit]

- what???



- are you a scientist or scientologist of some closely unknown type?

Indeed – “elusive” it the quintessential characteristics of that “gain”.

Still in attacking mood henieck?
Actually i am in mood too, to give hints, but oh well, maybe it helps others.

Some Fakts about the Quantum Article

The Circuit are 2 Parts. right side from/with the 12V Batterie is only the Circuit for the Timer.
Left side ist the Batterie with the heating element and the Shunt.
I suppose the Shunt is for, to handle the Energy what runs there, just a Resistor is may to less.
For other Setups there can maybe only Resistors enough.

For the Timercircuit, i found a very similar example for it, and it seems correct.
Only a different there is at the used Caps, it has some higher one.
At the Circuit the Timer is set to a variable Puls/Breakratio,
and with the higher Caps it has a adjustable Pulsduration from 10-90%.
So, all parts are needed from this Part of the Circuit, and after you got it,
you need to adjust the Ratio first well, before you see a Result.

Then, there is another Sentence at the Article.
"Oscillation, in this application, is intended to describe a switching cycle that is unable to stabilize. the requiered level of oscillation is archieved by setting the Duty cycle at 3,7% 'on' at a frequency of 2.4 kHz.
Reducing the Gate current of the Mosfet results in an oscillation that overrides the predertimed frequency and duty cycle..
The Frequency oscillates between 143kHz and 200 kHz and the duty cylcle defaults is approximately 1.3% on."

When some say, they have a 90% 'ON' Cycle, then sorry, but they did not adjust it well.

It means, you have first to adjust it at 2.4 kHz for a duty cycle at (around?) 3.7% with the Pots.
And after reducing the current at the Base of the Transistor
(left side of the Circuit before the Base is the Pot there)
It should start self oscillating in a higher Frequency.
So you have actually 3 Pots to play around with.
And there are still other Factors then, where i am not sure, if the heating element match and Source at the Timer.

And well, the Results are at the Table, i say, you heat up the Element with the Spikes, but should have less losses at overall at the Batterie.
If the Circuit dont start selfoscillationg at lowering current at the Base, then something is wrong there.
Its probatly hard to measure with only a Multimeter, i got one what shows the Frequency too,
but else, i dont think, you can hear it, when it switch to a higher Frequency or not.

And for the Zipons, figure, close all Parts at our Universe are or are like Magnets,
and when you figure the darker and brighter parts as Poles, then even this would make Sense

[Joit]

Tk i will do it, when i got the right Parts and compare.
But my next store is not outside my door too, so i have to wait and see what i can get.

For the Quote from the nacked Scientists, actually i trust more Peoples,
and even meet some of them, what can think better about some Things,
when its not her Business, but they have the Distance, what most are missing, as when they are involved into her Things.
And seriously, this 'Professionals' did only make more mess as someone uneducated.
Its the logical Thinking about things, what do make the different.

Right now, i have some Problems too, to think about, how to apply this Circuit into other Things too.

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I have a topic sharing my circuit also located at the Overunity Forum and an EE there user name: poynt99 has been trying to help me understand how to correctly calculate the energy entering my circuit. I'm posting my reply to him here for others to consider, think about or help explain my questions if you wish.

Hi .99,

I do appreciate your help but I'm sorry I don't understand conventional EE

Instead can you please answer the questions below. This will help me much more.

Let us take the fine filament 12 volt bulb I used in test 3

We know that if we place that bulb in series in a circuit we can pass several hundreds of volts through it and it won't necessarily light up, correct?

If this is correct then voltage is not Energy!... correct?... however I do understand that voltage and current can be present together in a circuit if the voltage source has the ability to provide Energy.

Current is a heat Energy, correct?... and if so then voltage is not a heat energy, correct?

So if voltage cannot create heat at whatever voltage it is at then why would one need to consider it to calculate Energy used in a circuit.

Lets use the bulb in this example:

For Energy to partake in a circuit I believe we need two conditions, one is, it has to be available from the voltage supply and two, the circuit would need to create a wast (resistance) of some kind. Now if our bulb which is in series in the circuit starts to glow it is now dissipating heat because of resistance somewhere in the circuit. The bulb is a visual display or indicator of Energy now present in the circuit. This Energy is dissipating in the bulbs filament as heat, correct?... so if we have 10 volts in a circuit under load and the filament starts to glow and we reduce the duty cycle since the circuit is a pulse circuit and we then raise the voltage to 100 volts and the bulb starts to glow to the same level as when 10 volts was running through the circuit, do you really believe that we now have more Energy at the bulb because the voltage was raised 10 time higher then before???

If you believe this then can you please explain to me how voltage can contain Energy since something is not making any sense to me anymore :

Thanks for your time and sharing

Luc

[EgmQC]

Here are some real facts: If you build the circuit with the component values specified in the article, it cannot generate a 3.7 percent ON duty cycle.
Certainly a 555 timer circuit can be configured to make whatever duty cycle one desires, with the proper component values. The ones published in the Quantum article simply cannot.

Why don't you try using the component values actually specified, and then tell us what you find.

Oh, and by the way, the nakedscientists thread will help you to understand Rosemary's theory better. She explains it very well over there. And other things too. Here's one nice quote from Rosemary:

"No, I really do not know what a capacitor is. You can safely assume that there is no limit to my lack of knowledge especially as it relates to electric circuitry. I find all electric circuits quintessentially boring. It was just a means to an end. My only interest is in physics."

a circuit that produces overunity results. - Naked Scientists Discussion Forum

I realy dont understand why about no people realy listen to what TinselKoala is saying, He was asking the Right question for the right response, without response there nothing who can be build to proof the claim here. The 555 circuit part is wrong, its not realy a problem but if all the circuit is wrong , which circuit we should use now ?

I got about the same result as TinselKoala so i cant deny what he said, but in same time i dont assume it cant be done if we get the real circuit but for now , there realy nothing more we can do until we get the real circuit diagram.

Best regards,
EgmQC

[gotoluc]

Hi Rosemary and everyone,

Since my pulse circuit is basically using the same 555 timer that you are using and Groundloop was very limited in time he sent me the link to the circuit he has posted before.



the only difference in my circuit is I'm using an IRF840 as switching mosfet and the capacitor used to set the frequency around 665 Hz is .001uf. I also used a 1Meg pot (for duty cycle) since I had it on hand and found it to have smoother adjustment at 10% or lower duty cycles.

My coil is 800 feet long or 244 meters of #20 AWG or .81mm magnet wire wound on a spool used for mig wire welding equipment that has an 1-1/4" or 32mm opening in the center, a total of 4" or 100mm in spool diameter and a width of about 1-1/2 or 38mm of open area to wind the wire between each ends of the spool. The coil has a DC Resistance of 8.3 Ohms and Inductance of 63.5mH. This coil is the best performing @ 665Hz of all my 10 or so coils available for testing.

The recirculating diode are two MUR420 in parallel soldered to the negative side of the coil and directed so positive can flow back to the positive side of the coil when the collapsing field occur. I have a switch between the positive side of the diode and coil in order to observe the effect of not recirculating the collapsing field. My power supply is 120vac through a FWBR to a 400v 330uf capacitor. Nothing more I can think of.

If someone has the ability to make a complete illustrative kind of circuit (non EE style) of all the above information it would help beginners or non EE trained to replicate this also.

Thanks for your interest in this simple circuit.

Luc

[Inquorate]

Tinsel koala

Dude, with all due respect for you as a 'brother to the great work', a member of this forum, and as a person I have never had issue with before now..

I believe you have sufficiently conveyed your point regarding the issues you have with Rosemary's circuit.

I am sure that the knowledgeable and the not-so-knowledgeable (like myself) members of this forum can now make a more informed decision regarding the original circuit - thanks mainly to yourself and the (IMHO) quite pertinent and very valid concerns you have raised.

I greatly respect your efforts in actually making replication attempts, and because you have, your words will have weight with many here at the forum.

It is beneficial to have a modicum of suspicion and a level of scepticism when entertaining the ideas re radiant energy, the aether and the like. Else we would run off half cocked, chasing spurious ideas and generally waste time and money.

So, I respect your position of devil's advocate in this thread.

All I (and likely others) ask is to have the opportunity to explore the concept and perform experiments, with an open mind. And I very kindly ask if you could please refrain from repeating your posts regarding the circuit errors, and please refrain from encouraging people to re-create the circuit from the original schematic with the exact parts, etc, when you yourself, by your own admission, have done so - with negative results.

Surely the spirit of open source sharing on this forum can be upheld more truly by learning from each other, and not by repetition of dead ends.

I am sure your intent is to save people from what you perceive to be a waste of time, but why then if that is your motivation do you set about doing just that; wasting people's time?

Each to their own, brother. Let the children play, maybe they will find something shiny..

Love and light

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Awesome work Gotoluc. I have run some tests with the same circuit I used as posted in post #14, however I used a 5W, 1ohm resistor and also added one on the input line as Gotoluc did. Also I used different frequency and duty cycle. Freq. used was 1.3khz. @ 9% duty cycle w/ 12V @ .18A input.
I am seeing the same results that Gotoluc is claiming, the input resistor is barely creating any heat at all, while the output resistor is much warmer, probably 3 times or greater in temperature. I still have to get the cheap parts to cobble together a simple thermometer based calorimeter so numbers are visual. So there ya go, it seems if we get the freq. and duty cycle right, things happen. heres a pic of my setup
peace love light

[henieck]

Still in attacking mood henieck?

- no, I just wonder how a researcher can formulate anything like that :" ...it's got to be enough to prove that elusive gain. " And I am just asking - is it science or religion? I know that in your enhanced free speech I can’t say what I think - but I am free to ask any questions? Is the asking about asking considered “attacking mood” as well?

Guys, you don’t need any exotic components specially delivered from China, special cores and coils, or certain rigid frequencies or better yet certain rare unstable oscillations to see “seemingly magical” effects. Even Rosemary says that. Take any transistor (within limits of parameters needed of course), any coil or even one winding of transformer, just any piece of wire formed into spiral of some distinguishable inductance, can be restive or “normal one” - and do it, and see the “magic”. In fact you can do it equally well using simulation software - and save yourself the trouble and possibility of making errors in calculations - and see exactly calculated values of energy dissipation in every part of the circuit. You will see “magic” – exactly the same thing like the guy in his video and I saw. Anybody who is capable of using 555 timer in order to drive a transistor can check this phenomena using junk you already have in your cellar. The whole “magic” is what I said it was- it is looped, deceiving energy flow, which exceeds interpretational capabilities of its designer to the point of being forced of making the new zipon theory. There is no free energy here.

I am sorry if this statement hurts those who can not understand or accept the reality, but this is how I see it. Please do it, measure input/output “gain” and don’t get deceived by the surface appearance that one resistor is hotter than other. Ask yourself how much energy do I supply and how much energy do I get in return. Nothing else matters when it comes to proving “free energy” claim. Concentrate on the main task, that is on total input/output calculations – not on the free floating fact that something is warmer than the other (although – it is also a valid piece of the “puzzle”). Refrain form installing in your head free energy fewer, which may twist your objectivity and ability to think clearly until you see the hard core NUMBERES..