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  • Harvey
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    Originally posted by jibbguy View Post
    The term comes from "current shunt" ; a very common method of determining Current in a circuit path through reading the Voltage across a "Shunt", and then using Ohm's Law to calculate the Amperes (since there really is no direct way to read "current").

    As examples, a "1 Ohm" shunt resistor with "5 Volts" reading across its ends, represents "5 Amps" of current. A "10 Ohm" shunt R reading "5 V" would represent "0.5 Amps".

    Most Shunt Resistors are very low Ohms, and rated for high wattage. For these reasons, "regular" resistors used in circuity usually won't work in their place, because they are too high a Resistance (and so could significantly affect the circuit's performance skewing the data), and/or have too low a current rating (so they burn up under load).

    Large current shunts used in industry are often simply rectangular blocks of steel or iron; it doesn't matter much, as long as the precise Resistance is known so the calculation can be done, they can handle the current, and the R remains stable as temperatures rise.

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    Current shunts are often "floating off ground", for that reason it is important to watch where you put the ground lead of scope probes when reading them (or any other "Single-Ended to Ground" instruments that are not specifically stated to be "Input to Output Isolated"). Hand-held DMM's ("digital multi-meters") and some "scope-meters" are battery powered, with no ground connection, so it is not a problem with them. But it can be a BIG problem with "single-ended" scopes that get a ground through their power supply / wall plug connection, and could cause them to break the house "No Smoking" rules

    The term "Shunt" means "to bypass" and represents a parallel pathway. Metering systems are very sensitive to current, it only takes a small amount, usually microamps to push them full scale. So to measure the amperage in a circuit it is necessary to provide a parallel path for the larger currents to flow through and a ratio is determined between the meter current and the "shunt" current. Most current meters (aka ammeters) today incorporate internal shunts and are simply placed in series with the current carrying wire.

    When instantaneous current measurements are required, it becomes problematic to use meters that provide internal integration. In this case a CSR or current sensing resistor is used which converts the current flowing through the resistor to a voltage across the resistor. These resistors must be noninductive and noncapacitive to work properly, otherwise the instantaneous voltage will not be commensurate to the instantaneous current. A CSR is a series device and the voltage across it can be measured with field effect equipment where zero parallel current flows through the measuring device. For this reason a CSR should not be called a shunt.

    These are semantics and I am probably a purist in that regard but the proper use does reflect directly whether a reputable institution would cite the use of it in their works, in my humble opinion.

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  • witsend
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    Guys, my other computer is down and I can't access Skype. I get it that there are some messages waiting there. I should have this fixed later in the day.

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  • witsend
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    Originally posted by jibbguy View Post

    .... But it can be a BIG problem with "single-ended" scopes that get a ground through their power supply / wall plug connection, and could cause them to break the house "No Smoking" rules
    LOL. Well put Jibbs

    Guys Fuzzy's back on line. You may want to 'tune in'.

    Open Source Research and Development - live streaming video powered by Livestream

    Not sure if I've got that right. I think it's the link.
    Last edited by witsend; 01-09-2010, 09:08 PM.

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  • jibbguy
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    The term comes from "current shunt" ; a very common method of determining Current in a circuit path through reading the Voltage across a "Shunt", and then using Ohm's Law to calculate the Amperes (since there really is no direct way to read "current").

    As examples, a "1 Ohm" shunt resistor with "5 Volts" reading across its ends, represents "5 Amps" of current. A "10 Ohm" shunt R reading "5 V" would represent "0.5 Amps".

    Most Shunt Resistors are very low Ohms, and rated for high wattage. For these reasons, "regular" resistors used in circuity usually won't work in their place, because they are too high a Resistance (and so could significantly affect the circuit's performance skewing the data), and/or have too low a current rating (so they burn up under load).

    Large current shunts used in industry are often simply rectangular blocks of steel or iron; it doesn't matter much, as long as the precise Resistance is known so the calculation can be done, they can handle the current, and the R remains stable as temperatures rise.

    ___________

    202:

    Current shunts are often "floating off ground", for that reason it is important to watch where you put the ground lead of scope probes when reading them (or any other "Single-Ended to Ground" instruments that are not specifically stated to be "Input to Output Isolated"). Hand-held DMM's ("digital multi-meters") and some "scope-meters" are battery powered, with no ground connection, so it is not a problem with them. But it can be a BIG problem with "single-ended" scopes that get a ground through their power supply / wall plug connection, and could cause them to break the house "No Smoking" rules

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  • Joit
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    Originally posted by Guruji View Post
    Hi guys what is a shunt resistor? If I use a normal resistor does this circuit work?
    Thanks
    Its usual to make better measurements at the Circuit.
    Actually, it has only a small resistance, you can measure the loss over it, and calculate the Energy, what is running over it.
    But it works without the Shunt too, and as they did investigate the Circuit,
    they moved the Shunt anywhere around at the Circuit,
    like witsend mentioned once.

    That is a Question, what i did ask myself a long time too

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  • Guruji
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    shunt resistor

    Hi guys what is a shunt resistor? If I use a normal resistor does this circuit work?
    Thanks

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  • Michael John Nunnerley
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    Originally posted by witsend View Post
    Hi Guys,

    More of the same. This exercise was done as a basis for a press release that I hope will happen sometime soon.

    Crashing Through the Energy Barrier Final for DS-2

    By the way - Fuzzy and Mike, if you go live again please remember to post links here. Many thanks guys.
    Will read this when I have a quiet moment

    Mike

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  • Michael John Nunnerley
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    Still at it and still around

    Hi all

    Still here and working to clean up my security. It happened again with the e-mails, but this time in better English, just after the livestream the other day, coincidence, my be, you can judge that yourselves.

    Well I have been working out what is happening with the circuit. The FL's burn out very quickly, on the livestream show, some time in the early hours of the morning, the FL burned out and the amp draw shot up and drained the battery. This circuit HAS TO HAVE A LOAD or the amp draw shoots up, the more the load the lower the amp draw!!!!!!!!!!

    The circuit is only triggered by the input signal, when you have it just right it goes into a self oscillation, this depends on the power coil, I have tried all that I have and I can get all to go into a self oscillation generating multiple frequencies.

    The secound thing that is important is the biasing and loop back for the phasing transformers, I am sure I do not have this at its best, and if the good Dr. Stiffler reads this, or anybody else, I would be very grateful for some input on this which might reduce the time in solving this.

    The last thing is to find a better way of using this high voltage which is generated along with the feed back to keep the battery charged. It has been noted that the battery acts as a load, which you would expect, when it is connected to recharge the current draw goes down and if you put a load on the battery, other that the circuit, the current draw goes down as well!!

    Well thats it for now, all constructive comments are welcome. I will post a circuit of the twin phasing transformer and twin power coil set up when I have finished drawing it up.

    Mike

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  • witsend
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    crashing through the energy barrier

    Hi Guys,

    More of the same. This exercise was done as a basis for a press release that I hope will happen sometime soon.

    Crashing Through the Energy Barrier Final for DS-2

    By the way - Fuzzy and Mike, if you go live again please remember to post links here. Many thanks guys.
    Last edited by witsend; 01-09-2010, 12:08 PM. Reason: reminder

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  • witsend
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    Hi guys,

    I've had a few off forum requests for an update on the paper's submission. We're still trying to reach the editor who is responsible for TIE submissions. I think the holidays have mitigated against this. But hopefully soon. As soon as the correct channel and journal is established I'll post more.

    Meanwhile, Mike, Fuzzy, - thanks for the extraordinary work done through your live broadcasts. The response was extraordinary. And Jibbs, your article hung up there in the top 20 for a really long time. Clearly there's interest and clearly we're getting the word out. Extraordinary the advances that are evident - and coming thick and fast and from all over the place. It's really good news.

    EDIT I hope this is not entirely off topic. It's just so interesting I thought I'd post a link.
    YouTube - baja 22 063.avi
    Last edited by witsend; 01-08-2010, 12:49 PM.

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  • Guruji
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    Heater element

    Originally posted by FuzzyTomCat View Post
    Hi Guruji,

    The heater or inductive resistor is 10 ohms and the outside diameter is 32mm.

    Through most everyone's testing using a standard 10 ohm wire wound resistor "off the shelf" type similar to the one I tried which was a 100 watt "MEMCOR" #7931 brand name which has a much smaller outside diameter of approximately 19mm does not have the same circuit effect or results.

    I see no problems in using a heating element that uses a nichrome filament wire as the custom prototype resistors I'm using has "Ni Cr" type "A" 80% nickel, 20% chromium wire being used in it's construction as shown in my POST # 2684

    Regards,
    Glen
    Wow Fuzzy that's a nice job about that heater element
    I have an old tv and going to use it's arial hope that it stands heat
    I try and see what happens. Still waiting for my mosfet to arrive.
    Thanks

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  • FuzzyTomCat
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    Originally posted by Guruji View Post
    Hi guys about the heater resistance it should be 32mm to work as shown on the schematic?
    Can one use a normal nichrome filament heater?
    Thanks
    Hi Guruji,

    The heater or inductive resistor is 10 ohms and the outside diameter is 32mm.

    Through most everyone's testing using a standard 10 ohm wire wound resistor "off the shelf" type similar to the one I tried which was a 100 watt "MEMCOR" #7931 brand name which has a much smaller outside diameter of approximately 19mm does not have the same circuit effect or results.

    I see no problems in using a heating element that uses a nichrome filament wire as the custom prototype resistors I'm using has "Ni Cr" type "A" 80% nickel, 20% chromium wire being used in it's construction as shown in my POST # 2684

    Regards,
    Glen

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  • Guruji
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    heater resistance

    Hi guys about the heater resistance it should be 32mm to work as shown on the schematic?
    Can one use a normal nichrome filament heater?
    Thanks

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  • witsend
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    Hi Ash, that's a really big document you've referenced. Really great stuff.

    And I can't wait to see the tests. It's happening - all over the place. Exciting times guys.

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  • ashtweth
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    All new notes and Documents from H, Fuzzz a, dony , jib and Rose. A Great layman's write up from Patrick added also.
    http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Ros...Technology.pdf

    Our rep data will be up tomorrow

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