COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

[Jbignes5]

Aron you are not open to anything and here is the proof.

99,

If you read from the beginning, virtually EVERYTHING has been slandered and denounced by you know who and from you and MH - all we hear is how he "rightfully" showed what he showed. You considered him a peer and you have always quickly been willing to point out your disagreements with what we say. Yet, you find no reason to correct or keep your own peer accountable for his own claims, which is your obligation if you consider him your peer, especially if you want to claim he knows what he is doing.

First the 97% duty cycle won't make it work.
I made it work with 99%.

Then the mosfet doesn't oscillate.
But I made it oscillate.

Everything on my scope was false triggering.
My mosfet really was oscillating and you know who confirmed it
over and over in 3+ very specific word for word sentences.

Then the battery doesn't have anything going back to it.
Then it does. Then it doesn't then it does, etc...

The battery doesn't get the spike.
But if it does it is ringing.
I show how to take out the ring.
But that isn't proof of recharging.

It is enough to give someone whiplash. The fact is that
almost every significant point any of us have made has
been battled by you all. That includes you and MH and
others that can remain unnamed.

And with the voltage potential spike returning to the battery
and I got sucked into the conversation about you trying
to show there is no current moving to the battery. duh!
I'm almost ashamed I didn't even notice this.

So many distractions from what is actually happening that
it is almost difficult to focus on the facts.

Yes, there are plenty of things where typical conventional
explanations are valid. I recognize that and if it wasn't
true, my volt meter couldn't show me anything trustworthy.
I realize the validity of plenty of standard calculatons and
you know what I use to find out the inducance of coils
based on the gauge and resistance of wires with other
known variable? I go to the nice friendly online calcultors
where I can plug in all the known variable and it gives me
the answer, based on very classic conventional understanding
and it serves me well.

Contrary to what you may believe about my EE experience,
I am very resourceful, I know how to ask experts that I trust,
I know how to use the calculators and I get the exact answers
that any trained EE will get because I am educated.

You know what that means to be EDUCATED? Does that mean
I have a degree in EE? No. Does that mean I memorize all
the equations? No. Does it mean I know all the
concepts of the classical understanding and throw it out
the window? No.

Educated or education means:
WikiAnswers - What is the Latin root word for education

"'Education' is known to have several root words. It is popularly known to be derived from the Latin root 'educo' meaning to 'educe'- to draw out. It also has root words, 'educare' and 'educere'. "educare' means to 'rear or to bring up' and it refers to child rearing, whereas, 'educere' which is derived from two roots 'e' and 'ducere' means to 'draw out from within' or to 'lead forth'. "

The bottom line means resourceful to be able to go find the answers needed. That means to have the "wherewithall" to be able to do something. This all requires THINKING and not just simple memorization and regurgitation of "facts."

Here is where arguments of "credentials", experience with EE topics, etc... go flat:


"...Henry Ford was called "an ignorant pacifist." Mr. Ford objected to the statements, and brought suit against the paper for libeling him. When the suit was tried in the courts, the attorneys for the paper pleaded justification, and placed Mr. Ford, himself, on the witness stand, for the purpose of proving to the jury that he was ignorant.....Mr. Ford was plied with such questions as the following: "Who was Benedict Arnold?" and "How many soldiers did the British sent over to America to put down the Rebellion of 1776?" In answer to the last question, Mr. Ford replied, "I do not know the exact number of soldiers the British sent over, but I have heard that it was a considerably larger number that ever went back."....in reply to a particularly offensive question, he leaned over, pointing his finger at the lawyer who had asked the question and said, "If I should really want to answer the foolish question you have just asked, or any of the other questions you have been asking me, let me remind you that I have a row of electric push-buttons on my desk, and by pushing the right button, I can summon to my aid men who can answer any question I desire to ask...why should I clutter up my mind with general knowledge for the purpose of being able to answer questions, when I have men around me who can supply any knowledge I require?"

Many people in this forum do not have "credentialed" EE experience but always seem to have the knack to be able to do things that EE's can't do. Period. AND, we help each other out and there is enough collective experience to get RESULTS...RESULTS that conventional EE training says is impossible. I've seen it too many times so please don't even think of going there.

There are actually many people here with EE background and they're open enough to see that it doesn't apply across the board and that there is simply the other side of the fence that really does go against what the textbook says. With their training in conventional EE coupled with real open mindedness, they help to advance these projects and not nitpick them to death.

Don't forget. John Bedini was a Devry graduate originally and then with enough experience he saw the training was a bunch of (I can't post in this forum what the quote is).

Do NOT think for a second that because I don't have a degree in EE or anyone else that I (we) do not have the ability to find out anything I (we) want to find out as it applies when it applies or how it applies.

There are 4 areas of consciousness.

1. Conscious competance - we know what we know.
2. Unconscious competince - we don't know what we know.
3. Conscious incompetance - we know what we don't know.
4. Unconscious incompetance - we don't know what we don't know.

99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999%+ of all knowledge and information is in area 4 for 100% of all human beings.

I'm consciously aware of this fact and it is taken into consideration in all that I do. And being EDUCATED allows one to shine light into the blind spots of area #4 faster and quicker and more effectively than anyone that is not even aware of the distinction that most of what there is remains in the blind spots.

Do not think for a moment that lack of EE experience has ANY bearing whatsoever for many of us that are resourceful and have the wherewithall to use our intuition, EDUCATION and common sense and so on in any of these non-classical electrical projects.

This applies to ME and anyone else that wants to put themselves on the list of people that don't have EE experience but gets results. The classical EE training has been one of the primary causes for the lack of results in this field because quite simply, anyone that is only trained in classical circuits and belives it applies to ALL circuits simply has no qualifications to analyze non-equilibrum circuits. It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Yes, classical training is good for MANY things with these circuits. For example, I showed how to dampen the ring on the spike returning to the battery by increasing resistance at the gate. That should have been something classical training should have been able to pick up on but it takes me - a non trained EE to figure that out and show it?

Classical training should have let you know who make the mosfet oscillate on demand but it takes my lack of credentials to make it work.

And so on...

So what is the point of the training in relation to these circuits if it hasn't even shown to be useful in producing better results in the circuit and has only been used to nitpick possibilities of how something can't happen or isn't happening?

I get it, I really do. But if you want to ever see over 1.0 in an electrical circuit, FORGET all your training, KNOW NOTHING, and look with fresh eyes and you'll see it. If it doesn't show you something, what do you lose? You can always snap your fingers and pop back into the conventional mindset can't you?

I'm able to snap my fingers and place my belief into any perspective I want in the blink of an eye and either make myself believe something at will or see something with absolutely no preconceived ideas regardless of what my memory has recorded.

The ONLY scientific way of looking at something is without a bias attached. You think myself and others automaticlly see some "overunity" circuit and start slobbering and have our minds open so much our brains fall out?

That isn't the case. If I have a friend come to me and tell me that he has a time machine in his garage, I'm able to, without bias or emotional reaction based on my recorded memory, go look at his garage with no judgement. I just want to see what I see as it is and not how any mental filtration process will overlay on something that I know absolutely nothing about.

You know what? By simply seeing things as they are, I actually have been able to experience quite a interesting life with many things that "skeptics" will never experience in a million years!

You can be skeptical all you want and you expectations of what this is ALREADY all about will simply give you results that correlate with your expectations.

There is no such thing as scientific skepticism. Looking at something unbiased is the only true scientific way of seeing something. Fresh each time. Not throwing everything else out the window but not using it as a filter to look at something new either!

All these natural systems are open. You can keep re-posting your opinion denouncing the greatest scientific minds in the world as well as common sense but it is an effort in futility.

It has ALWAYS been misinformation to let people believe it is only a few oddballs that believe in these over 1.0 cop systems that are modeled after natural systems. But you can see the greatest scientific minds in the world already believed that before most people ever heard of over 1.0 COP.

The game is up. The jig is up. non-equilibrium systems rule the universe and is exactly how God created the intricate workings of this amazing universe.

Anyone denouncing open systems is denouncing the very Power that created the universe in all its open system over 1.0 magnificence!

I will promote non-equilibrium systems as it relates to free energy technologies because it is not only the truth, it becomes quite common sense when understanding the distinction.

Your belief is what locks you to this opinion that you so adimately shout from the mountain top. As you stated nothing will change that opinion and you my friend have lied to us. You are no more open to anything that conflicts your beliefs as to the very open system you tout could be free without costs. It is nature that teaches us that it is not so open at all.
And the natural system and the rules it has to follow in order to keep cycling would fall apart. Since nature is a system not built by us it is a resonate self ordering system that is very sensitive to modifications. Without one part of that ruleset it would stop or degrate into a mess. That is what is happening now.

[Jbignes5]

sorry to double post...

The first five sentences were from Aron on another thread. Contradictions will never end will it Aron?

[witsend]

All these natural systems are open. You can keep re-posting your opinion denouncing the greatest scientific minds in the world as well as common sense but it is an effort in futility.

It has ALWAYS been misinformation to let people believe it is only a few oddballs that believe in these over 1.0 cop systems that are modeled after natural systems. But you can see the greatest scientific minds in the world already believed that before most people ever heard of over 1.0 COP.

The game is up. The jig is up. non-equilibrium systems rule the universe and is exactly how God created the intricate workings of this amazing universe.

Anyone denouncing open systems is denouncing the very Power that created the universe in all its open system over 1.0 magnificence!

I will promote non-equilibrium systems as it relates to free energy technologies because it is not only the truth, it becomes quite common sense when understanding the distinction.

Your belief is what locks you to this opinion that you so adimately shout from the mountain top. As you stated nothing will change that opinion and you my friend have lied to us. You are no more open to anything that conflicts your beliefs as to the very open system you tout could be free without costs. It is nature that teaches us that it is not so open at all.
And the natural system and the rules it has to follow in order to keep cycling would fall apart. Since nature is a system not built by us it is a resonate self ordering system that is very sensitive to modifications. Without one part of that ruleset it would stop or degrate into a mess. That is what is happening now.

Jbignes5 - I've neve seen you on this thread. And it seems that you've got some prior argument with Aaron? Do you know how to restore the 'modifications' as you put it? Or do you think we must just give up here? I get it your fatalistic. I'd be interested to know more.

[witsend]

Thanks Poynt. That's more than fair. If we replicate you'll buy into OU. I'd be glad to take up the challenge. For this, even a change of the shunt position as required even if this is only for your satisfaction. The actual test requires the shunt at the negative rail as required by those experts who determined the test protocol. But hey, a few scope shots on the postive rail - ex replication - should then satisfy you.

That's pretty decent Poynt, and much appreciated. Many thanks. I always knew you were fair.

[Jbignes5]

Jbignes5 - I've neve seen you on this thread. And it seems that you've got some prior argument with Aaron? Do you know how to restore the 'modifications' as you put it? Or do you think we must just give up here? I get it your fatalistic. I'd be interested to know more.

Just look at nature. It does it within it's own system. I know I pushed my way into this discussion and I beg your pardon for being so rude. But aron is very locked into his Theories. Yes some of them might have merit but if you are looking to tap the very essence of what makes it all happen then maybe we are looking in the wrong direction. Nature does these things without being destructive to the source and that should be proof enough that it is viable.

I'm not saying that these experiments have no validity but we need to know more about this essence we want to tap or harness. I believe this kick back is the quantum stress in the surrounding energy system that runs everything. The cost to incure the kickback is paid by us but the results are comming from the perfect interaction of our system with the natural medium we are pushing against. It might bring more understanding to experiment with this kickback seeing that from experiments done on this forum have shown that the resulting kickback has a much different effect on the target. ie the launching magnet and coil that under normal energizing doesn't manifest.
The kickback is a very different although simular in effect. I don't denounce things because they violate my beliefs but Aron sure does. I would try to learn as much about this effect and try to see if it is causing unwanted effects that later down the road would be just like we have today with fossil fuels.
We not only need the input of the current EE Theories and teachings to compare what is being worked on here. The current EE Theories deal with what they were designed to explain. When you incorporate a different source as input you need to define the system and ruleset behind that system as well. Current dogma defines our current electrical systems in the form we chose to implement it, Electricity. When we start incorporating another source the rules will have to be expanded because we are using a different target source as input so to say. If we have no idea what source that is and the rules it has to obey then how can we know for sure that we are in fact getting more out then in. Unless Aron has the ruleset of this new and invisible from our detection, energy then we might as well leave it alone until we know that such interaction with that source is not causing catastrofic consequences.
Lets look at it like this. We destructively cause an interaction with the source and it responds with equal destructive results. example given the atom bomb. yes thats the extreem but look at the case anyways. Would you agree that what is put in nets more on the output? What is the results. Destruction of the surounding environment and anything within that area of effect.
Extracting energy thru brute force I believe would cause insurmoutable damage to the immediate environment by sucking the target energy from the very nature it is comming from. Imagine what an atom would look like if it had less energy to keep itself together. Even if the atom could recoupe this energy thru transfering the surrounding environment, that environment could be depleted to that energy and make a dead spot in said environment. Nature, the back ground environment would stop or loose cohesive bonds that tie it together making not only fluffy charges but fluffy matter.
I'm not saying that we should stop. But be very careful in our examination of what we are trying to make a viable source of energy and the results of that extraction.
Thats all I got to say here take it as you will but we need to be extreemly careful that this energy is not comming from the very system that nature uses to stay a system.

[Joit]

Jbignes,
Well i would say, it cant go more worse then now.
They allready use Water for generating Energy, but its not allowed for you.
They use Atomreaction to create Energy, where Fusion would be better anyway.
I ask myself, what do happend to all the Electrostatic Devices,
our science should be clever enough, to get something out from this.
But they do stop doing research at it.
I dont take your Post as offense, still funny to read throught.
And btw, Jim Boswell sells a Generator, where he state, it takes his Energy from the Enviroment.

So when we got anywhere the same Basis Stuff around us, why shouldnt it be possible, to make the same, as our Universe does, With a compared small Amount of Heat, what do reach us from the Sun, creating a System, what can cause a lot of Energy like Flashes do.
And dont think, our Universe will die a heat dead, otherwise, Heat must attract Heat, to feed to sun to Explode.
Otherwise, there is so much cold Room around us, that you cant say, it getting warm there.

And anyhow, all the Stuff around is is so big, i dont think, that we can cause some big changes in there.
Otherwise we maybe get a Storm again, and Nature tell us, she will make a Balance again.

Back to the Device.
I got once 2 Coils with a Bedini, same about as here, 25Ohms thinner, and 10 Ohms thicker Wire.
I hit 12V 1,2A Current through, and one from these Coils did get hot.

I compare it with here, we got one or 2 Resistors and a Shunt, what have different Ohms.
At one Part, it do cause the Heat about the unbalance.
The Spikes are the Part, to lead Power from the EM Field back to the source.

Therefor is a big Gain, when you can heat up the Resistor, wich you can replace with an equal heating Element, quit for a While, and still have a minimum loss from the Energy you have to effort, instead blowing 2000W out, to get fast heat.

As far i have seen by me now, the strenght of the Spikes move in Waves too, its like, you move Water, and it causes Waves, what runs all around in any Direction.

Right now, i have not a Shunt to play with it, only some Pots, a 50 Ohm Heatelement and my Coils.
At last, i could gain 0,2 Volt at 2 Days, lol. Not to mention.
And well some C of Heat but its anyway Summer.

[Jbignes5]

Jbignes,
Well i would say, it cant go more worse then now.

Answer) Really so we shouldn't be worried about global warming getting worse then it is now?

They allready use Water for generating Energy, but its not allowed for you.

Answer) Yes I agree. But why is that? Knowing man and his ability to use something to excess, without restraint do you blame them?

They use Atomreaction to create Energy, where Fusion would be better anyway.

Answer) I totally agree with you here.

I ask myself, what do happend to all the Electrostatic Devices,
our science should be clever enough, to get something out from this.
But they do stop doing research at it.

Answer) One of the simplest answer I or anyone could give GREED.

I dont take your Post as offense, still funny to read throught.
And btw, Jim Boswell sells a Generator, where he state, it takes his Energy from the Enviroment.

Answer) So just because he says it is so makes it that way then in reality?

So when we got anywhere the same Basis Stuff around us, why shouldnt it be possible, to make the same, as our Universe does, With a compared small Amount of Heat, what do reach us from the Sun, creating a System, what can cause a lot of Energy like Flashes do.

Answer) I agree with you but we are going to different ways. I am talking about harnessing the energy not using it. A harness would be a device to extract the potential we need to use. Not dipping into the very energy that everything around us uses to stay united.

And dont think, our Universe will die a heat dead, otherwise, Heat must attract Heat, to feed to sun to Explode.
Otherwise, there is so much cold Room around us, that you cant say, it getting warm there.

And anyhow, all the Stuff around is is so big, i dont think, that we can cause some big changes in there.
Otherwise we maybe get a Storm again, and Nature tell us, she will make a Balance again.

Answer) Again in our aragance not yours but mans aragance with the current situation have we done anything that could be attributed to such a large system to self pollute itself and cause destructive results on our environment. I'd say, looking back at history that is exactly what would happen given that we don not chnge our very essence of greed. We used to say Bah gasoline would give us the energy we need for a very long time and chose to ignor the fact that in that extraction of energy we were causiong a great damage to the system and are now faced with the results of those actions that is affecting our whole world. What makes you think that man won't go ballistic having a limitless amount of energy and not care what they are doing to the environment. History documents our Greed even with clean sources as is. Lights that consume that energy would run forever if it could because turning off the light would have less meaning if a unlimited source could be found without knowing what the negative side is. What kind of mass usuage would tip the scales? I don't know. But knowing the history of man we probably would find out.

Back to the Device.
I got once 2 Coils with a Bedini, same about as here, 25Ohms thinner, and 10 Ohms thicker Wire.
I hit 12V 1,2A Current through, and one from these Coils did get hot.

I compare it with here, we got one or 2 Resistors and a Shunt, what have different Ohms.
At one Part, it do cause the Heat about the unbalance.
The Spikes are the Part, to lead Power from the EM Field back to the source.

Therefor is a big Gain, when you can heat up the Resistor, wich you can replace with an equal heating Element, quit for a While, and still have a minimum loss from the Energy you have to effort, instead blowing 2000W out, to get fast heat.

As far i have seen by me now, the strenght of the Spikes move in Waves too, its like, you move Water, and it causes Waves, what runs all around in any Direction.

Right now, i have not a Shunt to play with it, only some Pots, a 50 Ohm Heatelement and my Coils.
At last, i could gain 0,2 Volt at 2 Days, lol. Not to mention.
And well some C of Heat but its anyway Summer.

Like I said before I didn't want to highjack this subject and I respectfully disuade my compulsion to at least say, know all the effects. Weather they are positive or negative before unleashing this on the battered world. The problem being that we are only seeing one side of the effect and haven't taken the time to see the other half. Don't do the Aron way and keep up with the experiments but remember all of the effects needs to be experimented with to see, if in fact, it is a environmental issue.

[Aaron]

@mh

Here are two CLEAR examples of "you don't know what you don't know." In your fist paragraph above you have no knowledge of whether classical training "should have been able to pick up on it or not" but you are making a totally erroneous assumption that that's the case. Why are you even doing that, it makes no sense.

You clearly intentionally ignore the facts and keep repeating things that are untrue.

You kept claiming how much TK knows what he is doing and he is qualified, etc... if all of that is true, why such demonstrations of incompetence one time after another?

I saw TK's post at ou talking about I don't know how to test a hypothesis.

He admitted he was wrong on his "hypothesis" more than once.

However, blaming others for one's own incompetence and each blame on something bogus is supposed to be called a hypothesis?

All his credentials did was screw everything up until I showed him a circuit that could cause oscillation and then he showed fake scope shots of it "oscillating." lol

Here you are being quick to point out the red herring that the flatlining shows that the oscillation isn't doing anything!

MH, give up the nonsense. You can't even focus on the facts. You seeing those scopeshots and yelling foul proves how much your credentials are helpful in this matter.

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From the story 1984 by George Orwell:

"O'Brien held up his left hand, its back towards Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

'How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?'

'Four.'

'And if the party says that it is not four but five -- then how many?'"

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We know what we are getting back to the battery and you want us to see a different value from what is really there. The classic viewpoint has done nothing but try to convince everyone that what is in front of our eyes is actually not there.

[Aaron]

@mh

The ringing, if it showed current going into the battery, also shows current leaving the battery, for a net gain of zero.

Ringing is gone. It is apparent you are part of the disinformation crew.

[Joit]

Jbignes, its anyhow so hard to explain, how it is, when you work on something,
and you get from all Sides Distractions, and just come away from your own Points.

What Aaron did post there are good Points, where a lot could think about it.
It will for sure not stop him to do further Research,
as a lot others should do, what do talk about this here.
Figure, what all the written words in here would have been done, when they been usefull Work. lol Not just dry Words.

Compare this Thread with others here, there is anywhere mostly more Progress as at all this debunking attemps here, what are partially huge.
But it is actually so simple, to set up something like this, and do look into it,
as to lean back, and tell, what you 'should do' like a lot do here.
And if someone finds an Error and got a Solution to fix it then post it, as to moan around about it. So Simple.

[Aaron]

Big Lie

So far every "charging spike" on the shunt resistor we have seen has been miniscule compared to the the output waveform from the battery thats powering the load.

Yet another part of your systematic misinformation campaign that you demonstrate in such a willful and wanton manner.

I have posted that I have had up to 4 times the voltage in the spike compared to the on pulse. If you believe the only things that exist are what are posted for you to see... well, I would be claustrophobic in that mindset.

You never recognize the facts - you are evading the truth. You focus on on that which aids your viewpoint while dismissing all other relevant information.

You keep repeating the same misinformation over and over and over.

Please take your propaganda elsewhere.

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The classical argument is a big lie and has been for years.

Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"...in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying."
—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X

George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four refers to the Big Lie theory on several occasions. For example:

• “The key-word here is blackwhite. Like so many Newspeak words, this word has two mutually contradictory meanings. Applied to an opponent, it means the habit of impudently claiming that black is white, in contradiction of the plain facts”.
• “To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed...”.

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over” Joseph Goebbels

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels

[Aaron]

@jbigness

Your belief is what locks you to this opinion that you so adimately shout from the mountain top. As you stated nothing will change that opinion and you my friend have lied to us. You are no more open to anything that conflicts your beliefs as to the very open system you tout could be free without costs. It is nature that teaches us that it is not so open at all.
And the natural system and the rules it has to follow in order to keep cycling would fall apart. Since nature is a system not built by us it is a resonate self ordering system that is very sensitive to modifications. Without one part of that ruleset it would stop or degrate into a mess. That is what is happening now.

Please don't post in this thread again, you have nothing to offer in the way of progress to this heater circuit. You're simply giving comments from the peanut gallery supporting the flawed classical ideas.

If you want to show me any academic references that support your claim that all natural systems are closed, do it here:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...le-energy.html

I'll delete any posts from you in this thread.

[Aaron]

not here

Don't do the Aron way and keep up with the experiments

, yeah, don't do experiments like me. Sit down and be an armchair theorist and deny empirical evidence.

Really becoming pathetic.

Seems the opposition is getting more and more desperate.

Jbignes, I already posted to you here to not post anything else in this thread. You are DISRUPTING this thread. I will delete any posts that you post that come after my warning.

Don't give any ridiculous claims of censorship.

I gave you an opportunity to post ANY academic reference by established science that backs your claim that all natural systems are closed. So, do your business or get off the pot... in the thread 1 Joule of Energy thread. Not here.

[Jbignes5]

I have stated my point and it stands.

Jbignes, its anyhow so hard to explain, how it is, when you work on something,
and you get from all Sides Distractions, and just come away from your own Points.

What Aaron did post there are good Points, where a lot could think about it.
It will for sure not stop him to do further Research,
as a lot others should do, what do talk about this here.
Figure, what all the written words in here would have been done, when they been usefull Work. lol Not just dry Words.

Compare this Thread with others here, there is anywhere mostly more Progress as at all this debunking attemps here, what are partially huge.
But it is actually so simple, to set up something like this, and do look into it,
as to lean back, and tell, what you 'should do' like a lot do here.
And if someone finds an Error and got a Solution to fix it then post it, as to moan around about it. So Simple.

I am unwilling to detract from this thread anymore. What I said is the truth written by Aron. He states open mindedness yet states in another thread he will never let anything disuade him from what he believes. Thats a few statements that detracts from this thread as well because he has put himself as the posterboy of this cause. I for one would continue with the thread but his inserting his wisdom looses a lot in the effectiveness of this thread exploring new avenues or thoughts about the process beind the event you are reporting. What he is saying is that no matter what is proposed by anyone on these forums they will be subject of his view of things. That does not instill the open source or openess that this forum touts.
I for one am gonna continue my own very successful experiments that I have been able to finish because of some of the open minds that are here that constantly challenge the status quo much like the fight has been from the open systems reps who now have become the standard thinking for which some have chosen to challenge. At least some of the folks are still open minded about these thing for which ARON clearly states he is not!
I will capitulate and continue on my own to question the systems in order to find out thier secrets. But it won't be here Thats for sure. It will be a self ban that I choose because he is the Admin and for one thinks it detracts from anything posted here as being rubbish now since he can not keep a continuity between what he posts. Take it for what it is worth, thats just not right. And it demeans everything that everyone is doing here by misrepresenting the "truth" that can make a successful results look invalid.
Have a nice day Gentlemen and Gentle ladies I for one will not be comming back to associate with a person who can not be honest about such a subject.

[Aaron]

golden post

I am unwilling to detract from this thread anymore.

I'll leave this post because it is golden!

"unwilling to DETRACT...ANYMORE."

It just doesn't get any better than that.

I am open minded and if I wasn't I couldn't get the results I get.

I also am open-minded enough to read a reference to any established academics claiming all natural systems are closed and isolated from each other. Jbignes refuses to post any because they don't exist...doubtful anyway. But he has the offer. Will he produce or will he focus on the propaganda points that I posted below? I think he will focus on repeating the same non-sense over and over.

One thing I won't do is continue to listen to an opposing viewpoint that completely ignores empirical evidence and keeps focusing on things that are already shown to be incorrect.