COP 17 Heater | Rosemary Ainslie

[gyula]

Hi Peter,

Just wanted to ask where is the pulse output in the schematics and your explanation clarifies it now, thanks.

I would like to propose a probably simple measurement method for getting a definite answer whether this setup has a COP >1 or not.
It would be based on temperature measurements under a certain time duration,
first without the flyback diode than with the flyback diode in place.

The wire resistor would be immersed into a cooking oil bath of say half a litre (or less, depending on the size of the wire resistor) and at first you would run the setup without any flyback diode to heat up the cooking oil bath from the ambient to a certain higher temperature during say half an hour and log the temperature on a thermometer (and measure the time with a digital watch).

Then you would switch off the setup, connect the flyback diode(s), wait for cooling down for the oil to ambient, then start the setup again by running the circuit for exactly half an hour and log the temperature again.

Now comparing the two temperatures, in case of COP>1 the temperature of the oil in the second run (when the flyback diode(s) are in place) should be higher than in the first run without the diode(s). Agree with this?

EDIT: a addition, in case of COP>1, the temperature of cooking oil in the second run should reach the temperature of the first run during less time (less than in half an hour in my example).

No need for using a battery to run the whole setup, a power supply should serve for the purpose. (Maybe Aaron will oppose this but I think of your circuit shown with the separating diode towards the source battery).
Also, one can use two identical oil bath from two identical glass jars/plates etc with equal amount of cooking oil fills if you do not wish to wait for cooling down the oil after the first run.

This test would simply demonstrate the COP>1 capability of this setup for those doubting it. The only 'dirty' part is your wire resistor will be oily..

rgds, Gyula

[Aaron]

Earth Rod

I do run my Timer from one Batterie too,i only did take a second Line from one Batterie over a Diode to a Cap, an thats for the Timer.
My Timer has a range from 4-16V, what it can handle at the Input.
Anyway, late Night, i did take the good Example from Jetijs, and placed a Diode to the Minus from the Batterie.
And, i did connect a Ground + 100 ~ohms Pot to my Water Pipe at my Rooms.
Now my Batteries charging slowly up again. But it seems, the major different is the real Ground there.
And still to early, to do some serious measurements for me.

Joit,

I have connected an Earth rod to the circuit ground several times just to see what the scope shows and everything is stronger. I have not run long tests with it, just to prove the point. But I will do longer tests later. And with all the other variations of Earth rods, diodes, etc..., might be interesting.

[Aaron]

555 correction

555 circuit correction.

I forgot I was putting pin 3 directly to the gate of the mosfet. You can see
that in my photos.

Here is the correction:



smaller version

[Aaron]

555 update

Just added to schematic the 1k resistors in series with the 100k pots to have minimum definite values.

Also indicated the LED.

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

last night I made a new video but could not upload it since my internet connection is down. I found a few free wireless spots so I was able to upload it today.

New Video Link: YouTube - Effect of Recirculating BEMF to Coil test 11

After I stopped the circuit and allow the batteries to rest for 2 hour the source series battery voltage recovered to 39.3958

and here are the individual battery voltage

Battery F 13.1249

Battery E 13.0817

Battery G 13.1894

and the voltage of the 3 Batteries in Parallel recovered to 12.99

This is all I can do until I return from my trip after August 8th

Luc

[Hoppy]

why? What's the purpose of this?

Rosemary,

You said: "For me that was such interesting proof - the second battery voltage gaining way over the supply - so clearly not a simple transfer of energy from the supply through the diode. Unless, of course, it is also known that the lower voltage can somehow induce a current flow into a higher voltage?"

The purpose of this exercise is to establish if there is suficient voltage to charge your second battery from your setup. Basic theory tells us that a lower voltage cannot charge a battery with a higher terminal voltage but if you measure a higher voltage across the resistor, then this should demonstrate to you that your battery charges because of a conversion process from low voltage to high voltage in the inductive switching process. Also try lower values of resistance and a capacitor to see how high the voltage will climb before levelling out. Make sure the cap is good for a couple of hundred volts.

Hoppy

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Hi everyone,

last night I made a new video but could not upload it since my internet connection is down. I found a few free wireless spots so I was able to upload it today.

New Video Link: YouTube - Effect of Recirculating BEMF to Coil test 11

After I stopped the circuit and allow the batteries to rest for 2 hour the source series battery voltage recovered to 39.3958

and here are the individual battery voltage

Battery F 13.1249

Battery E 13.0817

Battery G 13.1894

and the voltage of the 3 Batteries in Parallel recovered to 12.99

This is all I can do until I return from my trip after August 8th

Luc

Nice work Luc, have a good trip, I hope I will have something for you when you get back, untill then good journey

Mike

[Joit]

Joit,

I have connected an Earth rod to the circuit ground several times just to see what the scope shows and everything is stronger. I have not run long tests with it, just to prove the point. But I will do longer tests later. And with all the other variations of Earth rods, diodes, etc..., might be interesting.

True that, it can be more interesting.

My Batteries did now gain 1,5V over 9h and some adjusting. For now i still keep the Timercircuit from the Article, i can make it work as i need it.
But o well, seems my Transistor still dont oscillate at that, and i have no heat anymore. Seems right now, i cannot have all. But who cares.
More time to play around with it, any maybe i get my Parts in a bit.


Is there any special at your Transistors, what you use, or should they only match to the Values.
Just, because it seems, i dont have a 4403 laying around.

Maybe would be interesting to pulse 2 Coils, Jnaudin seems did make some Progress with Parametic Circuits

[Aaron]

calorimeter testing

Gyula,

Someone else can comment on your test but I hope replicators just do the first test on the temp of the resistor comparison to a control, first, repeatedly, with different variations of settings, etc...

That is sufficient to learn the circuit and see a decent comparison.

Also, if the Ainslie circuit gives 17 COP based on the surface temp test, a serious calorimeter would be pointless I think because at that big of a difference, no calorimeter will bring the result to under 1.0...not at these cops. In my opinion.

I'm personally open to doing a calorimeter test with something like Dr. Stiffler's calorimeter or similar.

I have everything I need to seal heat into a chamber. But that will be after I replicate the Ainslie test method.

John Bedini always said, "Don't change it until it works."

Meaning, do it exactly like the inventor and don't change anything until you get the same results. When it works and you got it, then go change things. That isn't to you necessarily Gyula, just a general comment. If it wasn't for that, there wouldn't be as many successful replications of John's circuits.

[Aaron]

Rosemary Ainslie | COP 17 Heater circuit | Ringing

Youtube video on this:
YouTube - Rosemary Ainslie | COP 17 Heater Circuit Ringing

[Aaron]

ringing repeat

Middle one has spike much higher than battery supply voltage and with smooth ringing.Superior charging and heat production. It is the obvious winner but still do the tests.

http://www.feelthevibe.com/free_ener...gingrepeat.jpg

[witsend]

gotoluc - your results were amazing. Many thanks for posting that video. Perhaps the next test can be a control. Let's see what happens when the battery has no recharge cycle?

Have a wonderful trip Luc and hurry back. We'll miss you.

[witsend]

Following quotes from Hoppy.

... but if you measure a higher voltage across the resistor, then this should demonstrate to you that your battery charges because of a conversion process from low voltage to high voltage in the inductive switching process.
I agree with this. In other words the battery has delivered energy to the resistor - in this case an inductive resistor - and in doing so transferred some potential difference to the resistor. But during this process no energy was delivered to the second battery. The current flow or path was to the negative terminal of the supply battery - thereby costing the system energy from the supply. Then the switch kicks in. The battery can no longer deliver energy. The potential difference on the resistor is now able to find a path - this time through the second battery thereby presenting the battery with the polarisation that enables a recharge of the second battery.

So the question is this. Did that stored energy on the resistor first dissipate energy at the resistor and then still have enough residual energy to breach the 12volt resitance at the second battery and still dissipate more energy at the resistor? If it does both it must surely be delivering more energy than was first delivered by the supply battery? Which also means that there must have been more energy than could have been stored in the first cycle.

Also try lower values of resistance and a capacitor to see how high the voltage will climb before levelling out. Make sure the cap is good for a couple of hundred volts.
Have never used a cap but have taken the voltage of the second 12 volt battery to 17 volts from an 11.5 volt supply source.

But you recommended a R1000 Ohm. Am still not sure why?

[Aaron]

resistor

Shouldn't it be like 1/4 ohm or less so it offers no real resistance to the circuit?

[rave154]

Hi all,

im hesitant to post this on this thread as opposed to the "recycling BEMF" thread....so i will post on both...

as youre no doubt aware, the ainslie circuit and the GOTOLUC circuit with which GOTO & myself have been playing around with in various ways ( ive been doing the playing, GOTO has been doing the serious stuff ! )......these two circuits are strikingly similar...

so, ive just observed another odd effect.

using a neon in place of the "output" bulb ( as i refer to it, see the recycling thread for a diagram & definition ), with my bedini running ( which simply charges a cap and gives me access to a higher voltage source for the GOTO circuit )....with this running BUT the negative lead of the PWM circuit NOT connected.....the standing volts on the cap is around 200V.......if i then connect the negative lead of the PWM.....there is a good 1 second pause before the neon lights up...if i then disconnect the negative lead of the pwm the neon flashes.

also, with both circuits running, neon lit up...standing volts on the cap is 105V....if i then slowly insert a core into the coil, made of welding rods.....the neon dims and with the welding rods fully inserted the neon is at its most dimmist with the volts on the cap at around 130V.

i just thought i would mention this, just in case its important or triggers any thoughts that might be useful.

Ahimsa, David. D