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The heat is on again! Again a lot of reading to do during lunchtime. I certainly admire your energy Rosemary keeping up with this. Sjalom, B
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Thanks B. If you've got access to the Good Lord say a prayer for me. I'm out to a really tricky interview at yet another university campus. We now have 6 university campuses in Cape Town alone. That's 3 more in 10 years. Not bad going for a small little country. Technically there's yet one more. But I'm not sure that it's fully registered as a university. Just a technical college. So proud of our academic history here. This - at least - is definitely becoming 1st World.
The trick now is to get them to acknowledge this truth. Science is ONLY progressed by experimental evidence. If they'll hold to that - then we've advanced beyond any other country. That would make us Primary amongst 1st world. So good. So prestigious. LOL.
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Completely agree with that. My dream would be to have that energy-box in the house with the size of a little refrigerator supplying all the energy needs a house will ever have. Disconnected from the grid because there is no need to, paying for this energy to nobody. Why would we have to pay for energy if this is part of nature and freely available!? We don’t pay for the air we breed either. (At least not yet that is) If an extra-terrestrial civilization would look at us here on earth I wonder what they would think about the way we are handling energy supplies on earth. I think they would sadly shake their heads but that only my humble opinion …Originally posted by ashtwethComment
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A house on fire and you can not name them? If this is because of the devices they had and it got their house on fire, it could not get enough publicity!!! Why no pictures here on this thread to start with and next send something to as many newspapers as possible. If we keep on behaving like this and people can always be intimidated away, how can this free energy devices ever surface!? If they can always easily get away with these crimes (because that’s simply what they are), how are you feeling yourself Rosemary? Are you still feeling happy and safe? We are worried to get our addresses and real names listed somewhere (even for a silly thing like sending some wire over) but the IP address of our computers would already be enough to track us down to a few square meters I guess. So again, if things like you described happen, we should all make as much noise about it as possible! Make it known for crying out loud!! A lot of ‘decent’ people are not even aware this is happening, they don’t read on the internet, certainly not on a ‘specialized’ site like this, they will only pay attention if it appears on the evening news or in the newspapers. Bring it out!!! Who are we helping if we don't?Originally posted by ashtwethComment
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Nuclear technology
When will this nonsense ever stop:
Sarkozy Pushes Nuclear Energy in Mideast - washingtonpost.com
All it does is bring in a lot of money for France ...Comment
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Hi B.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
I tend to agree but things are not always that simple. For instance, the most of us on this thread enjoy some form of democracy. But the vast majority of our global population do not. Menace from a government that is not 'duly elected' is always the most dangerous. And their agenda's are never open to negotiation. An attack on the scale that Ash is referring to could very well escalate well beyond the burning of the occassional house. And such Governments will do as they please. Anyone fighting this has to be prepared to do or die. And those 'heros' that are prepared to literally give their lives to any cause, they are extraordinary but few and far between. There are other exceptions. We have one member on this forum who has been subjected to attack that his overriding concern became that of the safety of his family. Yet he continues to post.
And B - I have NEVER had an outright threat to my physical safety - except in the opening chapters on TK's thread on overunity.com. The latest attack is through my emails. I cannot send any emails to any new address added since about 5 days ago. And when anyone new also tries to email me their post is also returned. Fortunately it does not seem effect my old addresses. That's at least something. I intend taking this up with my service provider as this much interference is entirely unacceptable. The only other attack was when my normal PC was taken over by someone? My mouse function no longer my own. That was scarey - to watch someone stroll through my files at their pleasure and me locked out??? There were three such events. I eventually learned to disconnect. But to begin with I was simply 'transfixed'. Rabbit caught in the headlights. But I transferred everything that mattered to my Apple where they cannot do this. I also installed better firewalls. I've also got a spare Apple and that's where I keep all my files. Absolutely not connected to the internet at all. I'll keep it that way. I only use that computer now for my Skype contacts.
The attacks that I've been most subjected to have been attacks on my motives, my character and such like. I cannot tell you how often I've been accused of lying - cheating - stealing - exploiting and on and on. I've been mocked - in a variety of ways. Mostly for being untrained or stupid or what have you. And for a long time I had the curious distinction of being banned from a forum where I had never even posted. That gave my attackers rights to a monologue that I could barely defend. Fortunately Aaron stepped into the breach as did another friend. And they did the required. But I'm innured to such attacks as there's nothing wrong with my self-esteem. Frankly I just feel rather sorry for anyone who underrates me. They clearly are missing out on my true talents. LOL. And I still count it as my biggest victory that the most of those 'trolls' who led these attacks are now active supporters of mine. That's just so nice. They may not agree with me. But they don't attack any more. The only attacks I've now had that are entirely spurious - are right here - on this thread. But in the interests of peace - I will not refer to them until and unless it's required. LOL
It all helps to keep one on ones toes. And I love a challenge. I honestly think that God wired me to 'deal' with such matters - with good reason. What little I may contribute to the 'cause' could hardly have been advanced if I folded at any such attack. Truth is I'm constitutionally incapable of ignoring an 'injustice'. Possibly way too obsessively so. But there you are. That's how I was wired. LOLComment
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It is indeed sad B. I'd like to hear more about their waste disposal schemes.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View PostComment
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That is completely true but exactly this is a very good reason to spread inventions or new technologies between as many people as possible and not to try to make money with it yourself. They can easily silence one or two people but they cannot so easily silence a few 100 or more people. As soon as somebody tries to make money with something fancy as zero-point energy or whatever other name you want to call it he or she becomes too vulnerable. The technology can again be covered and disappear. The other big problem is that so many people still look at you as a crackpot if you even only try to bring this subject up or make it obvious that you take this seriously. Even in my own family if I would bring this up, I’ll get those funny looks again and they obviously think I found some really good new mushrooms which I must have been sniffing too enthusiastically …Originally posted by witsend View Post
How many mainstream newspapers have already seriously brought an article about zero point energy even being close to possible? ZIP, nada, none to my opinion. You always say that it is really important to convince universities with this theory you’re working on, I agree but how really convincing can an everyday simple demonstration be.
Take for example two 200 liter water-vessels; connect both of them to the grid via a kWh meter. The very same one the electricity company uses for the electricity bill. One of them equipped with the heater-technology, the other one with conventional technology, I bet people find it very convincing if one of them only needs one tenth or less of the energy the other one needs and they don’t really care if science cannot explain this or rather avoids to explain it because it does not fit into the existing theories.
What happened with your visits to those other universities? Any more luck or more investigations? Don’t forget to take your camera with you as soon as your team has something operational, I'm very curious to see something happening!Comment
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Hi B many thanks for the concern and offer to help, your right thats the way to stop them eventually, they fear exposure, with 2 and a half thousand subscribers Panacea is currently keeping an eye on the situation, we are communicating with a PGP key thingy at the moment, he does not want to be named at this time but dont worry looks like things are settling downOriginally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
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Just wanted to emphasize this element, as its some one from HERE, doing a commercial project, my job is to ensure the best security, i think i am in a position to know as i have been involved in more than one case.
Commercial Free energy devices need the most security, all hands on deck and to keep these situations in mind, i have found no other way in HISTORY other than open source, in fact in an open email we threatened to disseminate the technology if they didn't desist, i think that is in the end the only security we have got.
I suggest ALL elements for the project, University and faculty recognition, OPEN SOURCE APPLICATIONS and commercial ones. But this reality will go over most peoples heads
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Hi B. I am indeed encouraging as many people as possible to make applications. That - quite simply - is my only objective. The more the merrier. But the number of people with the required skills to manufacture their own applications is limited. It needs to get to production. If it's produced without some kind of accreditation the producer will be accused of fraud. Therefore we need accreditation. My hope is to establish that it works and is proven to be effective and that it's financially feasible to got to production.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
No-one can make money unless this is first accredited - and that by mainstream. That, as I see it, is the first requirement. I might add that 8 years ago I simply could not get a single academic to look at this. I had the unpleasant experience of talking to people who, as a rule are kindly, well meaning and polite - this in the academic community - where they entirely changed character. They blustered and became anatogonistic and - in some cases, simply put the phone down on me. That's all changed now. And it's a welcome change.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
LOL. B this continues to amuse me. Welcome to the club. But watch out for change here too. Where ever it is that you live? I'm sure that these truths of plentiful energy will reach there too. I simply can't get over the change in attitude here - at the bottom end of Africa. It's extraordinary. I might add it puts me on a permanent 'high'. No need for mushrooms. LOL.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
After the publication of that Quantum article there was a flush of media exposure. But you're right. I've been trying since the end of 2009 to get exposure and it's difficult.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
EXACTLY. That's why I'm advancing this application so rigorously. But even then the appliance needs to be validated by the academics. They're seen as the 'final authority'. I'm trusting to their integrity to actually acknowledge the gains.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View PostComment
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Actually it was amazing. I've kept this for it's own post because I'd like to give a full account. To begin with I had to wait for the appointment for a whole 30 days. That's the price of trying to reach the upper eschelons of Campus administration. I paid it gladly. Even then I was 'slotted in' for a short half hour interview. It was also booked for 2.pm. We're in the grips of a heat wave from hell. Our temperature in the shade was 34 degrees. In full sunlight it was recorded upwards of 45 degrees. Normally these temperatures never reach Cape Town. They're only known of inland. Anyway I used my car's airconditioning system - which, on principle, I simply never use. I'm not sure I would have survived the trip without it.Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
The meeting was in airconditioned offices. It was a welcome break from Hell. And the esteemed and revered actually only afforded me about 15 minutes. But it was all that I needed. He simply kept nodding and nodding most agreeably. And then - proof of absolute agreement - shook me by the hand, assured me he would 'find the right people' and wished me well. It seems that they are no longer questioning the authenticity of the test results and they are 'anxious to advance' new technologies. And - the final bonus - all our institutions are actively encouraged to submit papers for publication - each successful publication gets a financial reward. But it will need to be advanced through their institution which will not conflict with my intention to publish as an Open Source Effort. It's just that they will be duly referenced as the guide and mentors - which will be no less than the truth. I do not have the skills to do this physics paper without such guidance.
IT WAS WONDERFUL. Thank you God.
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>For the record Donovan is a partner with me in the development of the applications device
And this has what to do with the open source community?, Rose can you explain now what YOUR association is with the open source community please.
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Ash? Not sure why you're asking this? I would have thought my credentials speak for themselves. What exactly are you asking me? Right now I'm advancing the application of a hot water cylinder designed to dissipate 2kW or thereby. This is designed entirely on the application of my first schematic which was published in Quantum magazine and in subsequent academic papers that are, thus far unpublished but entirely accessible in my blogspot and at other addresses on the internet. I am also advancing the very public magnetic field model to publication in a physics journal. I am also, to the best of my ability attempting to explain that field model in these threads. This is so that the implications and applications be fully understood by Open Source. I've mentioned it. The benefits in that field model are in no way confined to this single application. These explanations of that field model take up enormous amount of time. So does it take time to post here.Originally posted by ashtweth View Post
I would remind you. Harvey is now disclaiming any benefits. Glen has withdrawn his proof of replication. The onus and responsibility is now very much on my shoulders to prove this device. My intention is to prove it at a full on appliance level. If I succeed then that may be encouraging. Certainly it will advance our 'clean energy' requirements. But I do not have a monopoly on this or any other application. The comfort is that any enterprising soul may follow suit. But in the light of Harvey's denial that this sytem works and in the light of Glen's removal of his data related to the 'replication' - then this leg of the excercise is entirely required. Never more so. I do not have my own apparatus to show as I dismantled this for Aaron. I need to prove that intial claim - ALL OVER AGAIN.
When I finally have the required transistors then I will know the required schematic. That will be published here on this thread. Then we will assemble the application and test it. Those results will be posted here. That way I can do what you at Panacea do - which is to show that these smaller tests actually have relevance to working applications.
This procedure is critical. Again. Right now Open Source do not have access to Glen's replication. All the more reason that I step into the breach to ensure that our Open Source members and readers see that this device in operation. Else they may be discouraged from believing in its efficacy. Never been more required. The more so as Harvey is on record saying that the device does not work.
Is all this not precisely why these alternate energy forums have been established? To advance knowledge of alternative energy sources? That's my mission here Ash.
And that this is all within my competence. Of course it is. It was, after all my initial design that first gave evidence of improved coefficient of performance. And that design was based on my model that required this effect. Is there some concern here that I'll be using Glen's work? I assure you it is not based on Glen's work ANYWHERE. I am now informed that I may not use his work. Not sure where it varies from my own. But Open Source do not have access to Glen's work. Anymore. Anywhere. Therefore I am doubly committed to seeing to it that they have access to my own information. It's now become imperative. Never more so. Otherwise all this hard faught progress will be lost. God forbid.Comment
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Originally posted by FuzzyTomCatI suggest you read the two postings again both have Donovan's sir name on them you have been notified twice now ... I am not responsible anymore as the corrections need to be done by you on your postingsOriginally posted by witsend
I'm sorry I'm not at liberty to divulge names and comments that are surly something it's not allowed on the forum, these are not really endorsements and you wouldn't like their opinions and language at all. I would say this is similar to .... having a simple agreement only you know about between a unknown party and yourself, any investor names funding the device past and present, the twelve (12) engineers you have had working on your device in the past, the undisclosed university's past and present that's worked or working on your device .... etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.Originally posted by witsend
Not really you've had nothing to share with the "Open Source" community from November 2002 to August 2009 ..... nothing for a circuit that costs $130.00 US to build .... no images, photos, data, components, device, documentation ..... my my my .... no hard proof ....Originally posted by witsend
Originally posted by witsendHumm ..... there's more references to Donovan's postings than just one I picked ....Originally posted by witsend
No to disprove something you need proof .... you just have given unacceptable answers on all the questions for many of us including myself.Originally posted by witsend
Please enlighten me from the beginning of a concept for your article written by you for the October 2002 Quantum magazine through the February 2009 EIT paper ..... why there is nothing ..... no hard evidence ...... proof of anything you have or had on this device. The Open Source community, guests and forum members and myself would love to hear what happened to everything ( documents, photos, test data .... etc. etc. etc. etc. ) in seven years of time.Originally posted by witsend
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The MIB disguised themselves as that mysterious CatWoman this time …
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