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  • Has anybody

    Hi all

    Is this circuit primarily designed to produce heat or can it be used to oscillate coils? Has anyone here tried this and if so does it then lose the efficiency (Cop 17)?

    Where would you connect the coil on this circuit?

    Regards

    TP

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    • proposed element design. More to come.

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      • Originally posted by teslaproject View Post
        Hi all

        Is this circuit primarily designed to produce heat or can it be used to oscillate coils? Has anyone here tried this and if so does it then lose the efficiency (Cop 17)?

        Where would you connect the coil on this circuit?

        Regards

        TP
        Hi TP,

        Sorry I missed your post here. I think there are many potential uses of this - as it's essentially just a switching circuit. But I've personally only used this to generate heat.

        Let us know if you plan to try any other applications. I'd be curious to see how it pans.

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        • Assembled resistior

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          • That's the final proposed design of the geyser. Now we need to get it manufactured. I think there may be a further modification in the design because it doesn't really need that conical lid. But that's still to be discussed.

            That's it folks.

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            • Originally posted by teslaproject View Post
              Hi all

              Is this circuit primarily designed to produce heat or can it be used to oscillate coils? Has anyone here tried this and if so does it then lose the efficiency (Cop 17)?

              Where would you connect the coil on this circuit?

              Regards

              TP
              Just want to point something out here TP. We are sufficiently into conductive properties of copper to get this entire thing built with it. While it's not exactly a coil - the hope is that we'll be able to exploit those conductive properties. But we're working blind. We've not tested this before and it's very likely that we may need to change that container material. Depends on experimental results.

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              • parts for the cylnder itself



                I'm afraid I have no idea if those numbers are readable. Personally I only see smudges. If it's not legible then let me know and I'll try and expand the picture. Very much on a learning curve so not sure of how to apply all the editing options

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                • Thanks

                  Originally posted by witsend View Post
                  Hi TP,

                  Sorry I missed your post here. I think there are many potential uses of this - as it's essentially just a switching circuit. But I've personally only used this to generate heat.

                  Let us know if you plan to try any other applications. I'd be curious to see how it pans.
                  Thanks for the reply Witsend. I was actually looking for a good Mosfet based push/pull circuit and thought I might be able to bend the RA circuit. Im not sure it will do the trick.

                  Pretty sexy graphics with your resistor design BTW!

                  Regards

                  TP

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                  • Originally posted by teslaproject View Post
                    Pretty sexy graphics with your resistor design BTW!

                    Regards

                    TP
                    LOL. That's courtesy my partner Don. They're blow away - I agree. Thanks.

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                    • Pictures!

                      Hi Rosemary,

                      Some cool pictures! And yes the numbers are readable. Keep up the good work. More!

                      Cheers,
                      B

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                      • Originally posted by b4FreeEnergy View Post
                        Hi Rosemary,

                        Some cool pictures! And yes the numbers are readable. Keep up the good work. More!

                        Cheers,
                        B
                        Thanks B. I'm getting there. Plodder of some considerable dedication to make up for lack of talent. LOL. Still blame the eyesight rather than a dearth of editing skills.

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                        • Through Thick Or Thin

                          Guys,

                          I see a general discussion elsewhere on this forum that indicates that I require 'thick' wire on the resistor apparatus to enhance HEAT. THIS IS WRONG.

                          In terms of the thesis - your battery is able to generate a certain level of voltage. The proposal is that this voltage is the result of 'extruded' magnetic fields that hold the battery electrolyte mix in a 'bound' condition. In the same way the wire is held in a 'bound' condition by those same fields. But both fields are 'plastic' and, given enough voltage imbalance or enough extruded magnetic fields they can generate current. Given closed circuit conditions it can generate this current flow through circuit components.

                          In the battery - during the process of discharge - some of those molecules simply detach from each other and form other molecules. But there are less molecules in the wire therefore less scope for some kind of molecular rearrangement. Here, when fields are imbalanced - described as broken symmetries - then some of these binding fields are extruded and what remains are their 'twin' fields that systematically lose their 'bound' condition. According to the thesis, these fields then 'unravel'. In unravelling they become hot and then it is proposed that these fields - for the first time - are actually experienced as 'heat'. The atoms are NOT hot. Only these binding fields are HOT. And they're only hot to the extent that they no longer bind those atoms in their previous 'field' condition.

                          But the amount of fields that are extruded from the wire - those fields that we measure as voltage imbalance' - given more of these fields courtesy more mass in the wire - there is the greater opportunity for the number of these fields to realistically match the number of fields that are 'extruded' from the battery's mix. The level of voltage will not change. Just the number of fields that will thereby be extruded. That way the resistance or pressure or potential between the two fields - the fields from the battery and the fields from the resistor - can better maintain that oscillation - required to return enough energy back to the battery to recharge it. Thick wiring is needed to generate that resonance. It is not needed to increase heat.

                          It is a given that too much mass from either the battery or the wire would also not serve this purpose. The ideal is a balance between the two. We have not explored that precise ratio required. But under test conditions it would be preferable to keep the wire 'thick' as one can adjust the required voltage or the required current flow more easily than one an adjust the wire thickness.

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                          Last edited by witsend; 04-25-2010, 04:58 AM.

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                          • Hi Bart,

                            Please let us know how things are going. I get it that you're still having difficulty in getting the circuit to oscillate. Perhaps just show us what you've got? I think we'd all be interested. You must bear in mind that we've all struggled for this at the early stages. It will all add to the general 'pool' of knowledge.

                            It's no comfort - I'm sure, but in the early stages I could barely find the oscillation and then - once found - it was almost impossible NOT to get it. It could very well be something in the circuit - some component that 'changes' or is destroyed - or compromised - or for that matter - enhanced? Just don't know? But remember that Aaron found the oscillation almost immediately - but NEVER found the heat. There's just so much that still needs to be learned here.

                            But the actual oscillation is well documented - as I've said. It's just that it's so undesirable in most applications that circuits are designed to avoid it rather than otherwise.

                            I'll be back this afternoon. Perhaps I can reach you then - that's assuming you're doing testing today. Otherwise - not a problem.

                            added By the way. I've just thought of something. The solution to AVOIDING aperiodic oscillation is to secure the wires to any surface - usually found within the appliance structure itself. Perhaps you need to 'free' up some of those wires? Are any of those wires from the battery or from the resistor secured to anything at al? I think they need to be 'floating' if that's the word.
                            Last edited by witsend; 04-25-2010, 04:53 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by witsend
                              I see a general discussion elsewhere on this forum that indicates that I require 'thick' wire on the resistor apparatus to enhance HEAT. THIS IS WRONG.
                              Rosemary I'm confused about the thick wire. Your previous posts indicated you favored the thick wire. Was this not for getting the heat? If this is wrong then what are we missing?

                              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post77642
                              Originally posted by witsend
                              At the risk of getting overly technical - I'd recommend that you keep the resistive wire 'thick' - LOL.
                              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post67000
                              Originally posted by witsend
                              I like the fact you're winding your own resistor Joit. You must try and use thick wire - I always found it helped. I don't think it needs a core. I'd be most interested to see this.
                              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4314-cop-17-heater-rosemary-ainslie-75.html#post66260

                              Originally posted by witsend
                              I always looked to find thick wire on the resistors. I actually think it's all that's needed. So chuffed you're also doing this test.
                              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post64341
                              Originally posted by witsend
                              edit BY THE WAY - We made our own resistors here with wire as thick as a shoelaces. Amazing resonance. I actually think that the third resistor would soak up some of that sound we produced. Anyway that was still 10 years ago when I was keen on experimenting. Now I'd sooner die than measure another resistor. But I'll tell you what. We were boiling water quick and cheap
                              http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post59159
                              Originally posted by witsend
                              Regarding the wire on the resistor - the trick is to try and get thick wire with a single layer of turns. That usually gives the best inductance for these purposes. It's not difficult wiring it - but may be problematic getting the base to wire it on. But all wire wound resistors are, theoretically OK. It's just that I would not know its inductance and you'd have to look for that 'sweet spot' if you want it to into oscillation. But you only need it to produce collapsing fields during the off cycle to get a gain. I'm going to post again on this point when I've dealt with this one.

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                              • Originally posted by CatLady View Post
                                Hi Cat. I've left all your quoted as is because you'll see that I NOWHERE indicated that thickness adds to the HEAT. I tried to explain the thesis in the penultimate post. Heading 'THROUGH THICK OR THIN'

                                Can you point out here what you don't understand please. Then I'll know how to address your question. POST NO 487
                                EDITED

                                ANOTHER EDIT. Thin wire will defintely disperse heat more quickly. It's just that the resonating relationship between the battery and the resistor - the voltages induced during those sharp on/off cycles - these need careful adjustment. And it is my experience that I can't get that resonating relationship easily with thin wire. So the trick is to get a balance between the required heat and the required resonance - and the thicker the wire the wider the range for adjustment in applied voltage and current.
                                Last edited by witsend; 04-25-2010, 06:42 AM.

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