Bedini HHO

[wantomake]

good info

http://www.free-energy.hu/pajert61/BB101.pdf


http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter10.pdf


http://www.free-energy-info.com/

Thanks for the help,
Great links and very good study to further my education in this field of energy.

Regards,
wantomake

[wantomake]

Pwm

Everything you said is correct. If you want to go an extra step then using high voltage spikes called fracturing could be used. The Bedini can supply warm current pulses in generator mode or hooked up with the negatives together and diode.

Water fracturing requires higher voltages if you go the voltage route, say on the order of a car ignition coil. Their is a portion of this website devoted to learning the Stan Meyer water fracturing process where high voltages bring the water capacitor dialectic to a state of utter failure, in this case the water between the plates.

Special focus of current limiting and resonant tuning using transformer coils hooked to water caps and setting up the right frec to bounce back and forth just right called a "STANDING WAVE"

Now back to the heater coil. Truckers are buying $200 ss radiators to solve that problem. However for a small dry cell a simple section of coiled tubing with tiny fan takes care of the heat with no problem.

Pulse hammering circuits (PWM) are being uses in various ways to cut back on heat, that works also rather than just Direct Current.

Direct current magnetizes the plates and for conditioning and cleansing nothing can be substituted for it. Afterward dry cells should be used with PWM circuits, since the pulses allow for quick release of greater amounts of evolving gas without heat production.

The gas bubbles do not stick to the plates using PWM. Also some are using the simple PWM's off ebay that have varying frequency control plus adding a toroidal transformer in series to create SOME higher spikes on top of the PWM current supply.

There is so much more.

Mike

Hello Mike,
If you don't mind this request, which pwm off of ebay do suggest?

Purchased one with just one pot control from Chinese company and it did not last long.
I have a 9 plate cell and 2 inch dia. toroid.

Thanks again,
wantomake

[wrtner]

HHO is a gas that if properly handled like burning it as it is made is perfectly safe.

Burning pure HHO is extremely dangerous. It burns with a flame speed that exceeds the speed of sound. The resultant sound can break ear drums, and without bubblers, flame arresters, the flame can burn back and blow up the generating equipment.

The only safe way to burn pure HHO is inside a combustion chamber of an engine.

It could be diluted or mixed, but if that mixing process goes wrong, you are back to a very dangerous situation.

Don't do it.
.

[BroMikey]

PWM off EBAY

Hello Mike,
If you don't mind this request, which pwm off of ebay do suggest?

Purchased one with just one pot control from Chinese company and it did not last long.
I have a 9 plate cell and 2 inch dia. toroid.

Thanks again,
wantomake

@wantomake

Dear Sir

Look at this PWM from the states.Frec control. 70 Amp PWM | eBay


Then for more money you can get this one. No Sink No fan Nothing. I like this one the best. Why? Because whereever you set it the unit stays because it has current limiting so no more run away conditions can destroy your setup.

100A DC Motor PWM Speed Controller Adjustable Current Limiter 12V 24V Amp Meter | eBay

You can get some 50 amp units for $10-20 less but you better have some ceiling to work with.

I have a tiny 1 LPM cell that has drawn as much as 20 amps and the plate area per plate is only 20sq inch. If you or anyone else has a booster cell pack and they want to figure ratings for purchasing a PWM drive unit let them remember that these rating are MAX ratings.

If it is 100 degrees outside and you need 20-30amps for a 12vdc cell pack better multiply by 3X so your units run cool all year round.

Or you could buy another one every year not a pleasant prospect.

If you buy a cheap one that is say 50 amps MAX rating and you are running 25amps out of it make sure that the fan is replaced with a high powered unit if it has a fan at all. Many units require the buyer to install their own fan.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Play it safe

Burning pure HHO is extremely dangerous. It burns with a flame speed that exceeds the speed of sound. The resultant sound can break ear drums, and without bubblers, flame arresters, the flame can burn back and blow up the generating equipment.

The only safe way to burn pure HHO is inside a combustion chamber of an engine.

It could be diluted or mixed, but if that mixing process goes wrong, you are back to a very dangerous situation.

Don't do it.
.

So true wrtner

Here is a bronze wool arrestor that is a must HHO TORCH TEST USING BRONZE WOOL - YouTube

If you can't build one get one from someone into the HHO business. High Output 12 lpm HHO Hydrogen Flashback Arrestor Demonstration - YouTube

Mike

[wantomake]

70 amp pwm

@wantomake

Dear Sir

Look at this PWM from the states.Frec control. 70 Amp PWM | eBay


Then for more money you can get this one. No Sink No fan Nothing. I like this one the best. Why? Because whereever you set it the unit stays because it has current limiting so no more run away conditions can destroy your setup.

100A DC Motor PWM Speed Controller Adjustable Current Limiter 12V 24V Amp Meter | eBay

You can get some 50 amp units for $10-20 less but you better have some ceiling to work with.

I have a tiny 1 LPM cell that has drawn as much as 20 amps and the plate area per plate is only 20sq inch. If you or anyone else has a booster cell pack and they want to figure ratings for purchasing a PWM drive unit let them remember that these rating are MAX ratings.

If it is 100 degrees outside and you need 20-30amps for a 12vdc cell pack better multiply by 3X so your units run cool all year round.

Or you could buy another one every year not a pleasant prospect.

If you buy a cheap one that is say 50 amps MAX rating and you are running 25amps out of it make sure that the fan is replaced with a high powered unit if it has a fan at all. Many units require the buyer to install their own fan.

Mike

Hello Mike,
I purchased the 70 amp pwm from ebay and now testing with it.

The unit will run(I hope) a motor generator setup. However I'm learning the solution mixture isn't easy to get right. The cell is a 9 plate dual stack 4" x4" with 1/16" spacing.

Have you seen the nafion material from DuPont? Wow, very pricey. Could this be used as the electrolyte? Just curious on your thoughts on nafion.

Back to the test bench,
wantomake

[BroMikey]

nafion??

Hello Mike,
I purchased the 70 amp pwm from ebay and now testing with it.

The unit will run(I hope) a motor generator setup. However I'm learning the solution mixture isn't easy to get right. The cell is a 9 plate dual stack 4" x4" with 1/16" spacing.

Have you seen the nafion material from DuPont? Wow, very pricey. Could this be used as the electrolyte? Just curious on your thoughts on nafion.

Back to the test bench,
wantomake

@Wantomake

Never heard of nafion have I? Does it have a metal dust in the mix? Maybe this "nafion" is a trade name A?

That 70amp pwm needs to operate at 40amps. If you go higher then put a bigger heatsink with high powered fans as needed.

You never really know til you try it. Feel the heat to see if thermo-run away starts at high amps.

Running an engine is another subject entirely.

If people want to use boiler style HHO dry cells a water mist with plasma ignition is a must. This way the engine is not solely dependent on an HHO cell that can never get over 75 percent under the needed load values.

Using water mist without a high energy ignition system is tricky to keep the plug from going dead but the HHO will keep it alive much better during each power stroke.

Mike