4 Dual Pole Bedini Motor - by Darcy Klyne

[Donald Haas]

@ Donald - I'd love to have a CNC for fabricating. I've had one on the back burner for about 5 years now. Your setup looks great and your gen coils are doing better than mine, although i know the potential is there for great improvement in my arrangement. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your build.

Donald, I hope you don't mind that i took the liberty of uploading your images to my host modvid.com to display them here.

Hi Darcy,
I don't mind your posting my pics. They are out dated already, but generally the same.
I've redone all 4 busses and have them in circular copper tubes under the machine. I've also removed the switch box to try for more amps. But you have helped to reduce my ignorance.

My router is built from a manual. I spent about $5K in parts.
Building the KRMx02 CNC — Kronos Robotics

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/412r3wmtm...hKKuLdyna?dl=0

bro d

[Donald Haas]

up grade

Hi Darcy,
Been running at 12v/10ohm R's with the new timing disk and circuit.
Every thing looks good.
Up to 26amp input with a clean scope shot. The H wave looks like a very amped out ssg.

I really appreciate your help.
bro d

correction: The 26amp is AC. DC is 36Amp
I've also added 10ohm branch resistors.
Planning to add a pot to the base of the single gate transistor.

[thedude]

Now I really want a CNC!

@ Donald - Well now i really want a CNC! lol I can't wait until i have some income again. Thanks for the link to Kronos Robotics and your project pics. That is the way i'd like to go (ie - build it myself) but its always much nicer to see that someone else has been successful first and willing to show it.

On the point of ignorance, i'm afraid i don't deserve any credit, aside from maybe conquering my own ignorance. :P Thank you, but I've really only followed the schematic that R-charge provided. Maybe i've shared a little more than he did openly perhaps, i thought it was the "Giving Path" (hope you get my meaning). Your success is your own Donald. Great work my friend!

I can't help but have the feeling that the time for sharing our technology is getting short. Hard to be specific about this, but it is a growing notion that i have. I feel that the next coming years are going to be very complicated for society. Energy alternatives need to be shared.

I had other schematics and links i wanted to post here, but something keeps blocking my submission. Very curious.

[thedude]

Flir Agema Thermovision

In preparation for swapping out my 1n5408 diodes for MUR8100EG fast reacting ones, i'm doing some temperature analysis of the circuits, motor coils, interconnecting cables and batteries. I have the diodes and will be swapping them in this weekend. (found some faulty spots) Transistors will be coming soon.

4 Dual Pole Bedini Motor Video Part 3 - FLIR Thermovision Analysis



Some conflicting readings from my infrared gun thermometer, leads me to believe that the gun is not accounting for the reflective emissivity of the diode casings. NTE 5817 diode at the common bond of primary and secondary for "generator" mode is showing cool on the gun and very hot on FLIR camera, 1N5408 circuit diodes are showing hot on the gun and cool on FLIR camera. I'm inclined to believe the FLIR Agema Thermovision 550 shortwave infrared camera, although i could be wrong. However, it is a very expensive camera and is designed for this sort of operation. Anyone who understands why thermometer gun is reading the way it is would be appreciated.

[GlenWV]

Questions & contribution.....

Greetings:

Thanks for the drawing Mikey, I appreciate it.

I looked up those diodes on Newark.com, them priced them on AliExpress.com. Still expensive.

Then, I did a general search on Newark for Fast Recovery Diodes: Diodes - Fast & Ultrafast Recovery Rectifiers (600V or >) | Newark element14

A search on some of these part numbers on AliExprss produces some reasonably priced results.

I have some questions about the Dual Pole:

Are the coil cores 'Air Core', or 'welding rod core'?
Is the wire length for the motor windings 150 feet?
Are the generator coils located exactly between the motor coils?
Can the location of the generator coils be adjusted?
What is the wattage of the Base Resistors?

Thoughts on coils:
Has anyone considered weighing the motor coils and adjusting them so that they all weigh the same?

I believe that the generator coils can be would of a smaller gauge wire but wound until the mass (weight) of the generator coil equals that of the motor coils. Also, it might be helpful when using multiple strands of wire on a generator coil to connect the strands 'series aiding'.

Now, for some fun .......

The Dual Pole has a shaft .... why not attach a Fisher & Paykel motor to it and use it to power the Dual Pole.
The F & P can provide AC, or rewound and 'Bedini SG'd' to produce DC.

See below:

Diodes - Fast & Ultrafast Recovery Rectifiers (600V or >) | Newark element14

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...&hsimp=yhs-004

This may be worth a look: DSEP29-06A;
Shop DSEP29-06A online Gallery - Buy DSEP29-06A for unbeatable low prices on AliExpress.com

Enjoy, and thanks!

glen

[Donald Haas]

Hi Glen,]
some answers in blue

Greetings:

I have some questions about the Dual Pole:

Are the coil cores 'Air Core', or 'welding rod core'?

Welding rod core.


Is the wire length for the motor windings 150 feet?

100 ft

Are the generator coils located exactly between the motor coils?

They can be. Rick talks about The motor and gen coils aiding oneanother.
Check his vids and posted info here.

Can the location of the generator coils be adjusted?

Method would have to be fabricated.

What is the wattage of the Base Resistors?

3-5W




glen

[BroMikey]

Greetings:

Thanks for the drawing Mikey, I appreciate it.

I looked up those diodes on Newark.com, them priced them on AliExpress.com. Still expensive.

Then, I did a general search on Newark for Fast Recovery Diodes: Diodes - Fast & Ultrafast Recovery Rectifiers (600V or >) | Newark element14

A search on some of these part numbers on AliExprss produces some reasonably priced results.

I have some questions about the Dual Pole:

Are the coil cores 'Air Core', or 'welding rod core'?
Is the wire length for the motor windings 150 feet?
Are the generator coils located exactly between the motor coils?
Can the location of the generator coils be adjusted?
What is the wattage of the Base Resistors?

Thoughts on coils:
Has anyone considered weighing the motor coils and adjusting them so that they all weigh the same?

I believe that the generator coils can be would of a smaller gauge wire but wound until the mass (weight) of the generator coil equals that of the motor coils. Also, it might be helpful when using multiple strands of wire on a generator coil to connect the strands 'series aiding'.

Now, for some fun .......

The Dual Pole has a shaft .... why not attach a Fisher & Paykel motor to it and use it to power the Dual Pole.
The F & P can provide AC, or rewound and 'Bedini SG'd' to produce DC.

See below:

Diodes - Fast & Ultrafast Recovery Rectifiers (600V or >) | Newark element14

https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?...&hsimp=yhs-004

This may be worth a look: DSEP29-06A;
Shop DSEP29-06A online Gallery - Buy DSEP29-06A for unbeatable low prices on AliExpress.com

Enjoy, and thanks!

glen

It was a random event when I bought 30epf12 diodes and when
I went back to buy more all I could find cheap was 40EPF12

Here is how I get them cheap.

10pcs 40EPF12 Encapsulation to 247 Fast Soft Recovery Rectifier Diode | eBay


Newark has a few but they rate them different. I stopped buying
from them for a while. They charge more and more again for shipping.
I can't afford double for my experiments either.


http://www.newark.com/vishay-semicon...ode/dp/76K5050


http://www.newark.com/webapp/wcs/sto...5009,810080708

[Donald Haas]

New Ctt

Hi Gentlemen,

I've cut a small board with Rick's trigger cct up to the primary gate driver.
After running it for a while, there is a need to tune the pwr into the 2 trannys, so I've cut a new board and have added pots to deal with tuning into the base's of the trannys.

Running at 12v, charging has not been good into a 24V fork lift battery that is slightly smaller than the run bank. Running 38A in.... Workin' on it.

bro d

[Donald Haas]

Phototransistor Switch Apps

This explains the two modes that I've ignorantly encountered and more.

Bro d

[sergejfa]

question about the trigger wire

Hello guys,
I need a little help,
I have a question about the trigger wire, I know I might look stupid, but I wonder whether each coil is provided with a trigger wire, or only one coil has a trigger wire, which is for all transistors, and whether the same thickness as the other 8 wire ??

sorry for the bad English

[BroMikey]

Hello guys,
I need a little help,
I have a question about the trigger wire, I know I might look stupid, but I wonder whether each coil is provided with a trigger wire, or only one coil has a trigger wire, which is for all transistors, and whether the same thickness as the other 8 wire ??

sorry for the bad English

I only use 1 trigger wire. My coil has 4 power wires. The picture shows
connection diagram. Is this your question?

[sergejfa]

Yes,just a few more questions, the thickness of the trigger wire is the same as the power wire, or is thinner as the SSG ??
and the trigger wire connects the same as the Bedini SSG ??
thank you very much for your quick response

[BroMikey]

Yes,just a few more questions, the thickness of the trigger wire is the same as the power wire, or is thinner as the SSG ??
and the trigger wire connects the same as the Bedini SSG ??
thank you very much for your quick response

Yes I use a thin trigger wire. John Bedini taught us. If you use 20awg
power wire then use 23awg trigger.

I used 14awg power wire and trigger 20awg

[sergejfa]

Perhaps you know exactly which wire Rick Friedrich used for his dulalpole 8 motor,for the power and trigger wire??

[BroMikey]

Perhaps you know exactly which wire Rick Friedrich used for his dulalpole 8 motor,for the power and trigger wire??

No, mainly because he is an unstable person that I have grown to
distrust personally. I don't know what to believe about him.