Bedini SG | N Machine generator

[Aaron]

This is just an idea I had quite a while back about using the rotation of the SG to get electric power from a magnet attached to shaft.

If you have a magnet on the shaft on a standard North monopole setup and South is facing the rotor, the virtual souths ARE stronger pushing out between the North faces. I found faster RPM by doing this on my roller skate motor years ago.

If the magnet is like in the pic below and the shaft and magnet are coated with something conductive and you have one strip on the shaft and one on the edge of the magnet...you will get voltage and current from the leads...bridge isn't really necessary I don't think, but anyway, that is how I would do it to charge a cap. I haven't tried this because I didn't have a magnet that would fit over the shafts. I would use a very strong neo for this one.

It would be interesting to see how much you can get from the cap. It is totally isolated from the input or output of the SG or any other system. Adding this to the front side or backside has possibilities?





The below pic...the disc in between the magnets are NOT necessary if the disc magnet is coated with something conductive to put the brush directly on.



Anyway, possibly double benefits..making virtual south stronger and generating electricity with zero drag.

[elias]

The drag force

Hi Aaron,

I asked this before from Peter (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...ead.php?t=1221) and he stated the fact that this machine has a drag force to it, but I don't know if the magnet rotates the drag force differs or not. But recently I have built a simple homo-polar motor, which accelerates to a pretty high RPM (around 10000 RPM or more):
Evil Mad Scientist Laboratories: How to make the simplest electric motor
YouTube - Homopolar motor demonstration

I think that Bruce Depalma thought at first that when the magnet rotates along with the disc the drag force must go away but the motor above shows clearly that the drag force does not go away. This also shows that the magnetic field does not rotate when the magnet rotates, as water does not rotate along with the glass holding it.

Besides, It seems that it must not be so easy to charge capacitors with it as it induces current with a low amplitude voltage, which might not be so easy to step it up. Maybe we can use to charge coils, who knows.

The complications and friction of the commutator exists in this case also, if one doesn't use liquid or rotating commutators.

Using a super pole for the N-machine is something I have thought about. The copper plate can be placed between the two magnets of the super pole. I wonder if this would bring about any interesting effect.

Elias

[Aaron]

magnet generator

I tried the battery, screw, neo and it works great. There are many youtube vids on it.

Yes, there is friction where the brush touches the magnet and shaft, other than that, I don't see where else that side of the shaft anything is dragging. I also have not tried it on the end of a shaft like the pic shows so maybe I'm missing something. There are easy voltage multiplier circuits to step up the voltage that may be used.

There is no substitution for running the experiment of course and I presented this only as a fun idea that can only be validated by experiment. I don't have disc neos with a hole in it to use like this but may order some when I need more neos.

This is a similar concept to Stefan Marinov's self accelerating concept...I have quite a library of Marinov's info and am constantly looking for more. I have my own reasons to believe in the validity of the self accelerating plasma tube.

The concept of taking a copper ring and putting it around a round magnet...cut the magnet in half and flip one side and glue back together. From a battery take the leads and put on sides of copper 180 from each other. The magnet will spin (could be attached to shaft) and with this magnet configuration, the accelerating magnet induces current IN THE DIRECTION outputting more power. That is the IDEA of this and Stefan Marinov demonstrated many variations of this and then some.

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 1996 21:04:57 +1000 (EST)
X-Sender: mathew3@pop.netspace.net.au (Unverified)
To: INE@padrak.com
From: mathew3@netspace.net.au (Ossie Callanan)
Subject: SAP Tube


The Self Accelerating Plasma Tube

Anyone who has recieved the latest New Energy News newsletter should have also recieved an additional advertisement by Stefan Marinov titled, "MARINOV: ANNUS HORRIBILIS", which accompanied the newsletter and also appeared in the March 28th 1996 issue of Nature magazine.


Basically it is an update of his scalar magnetic field theories and devices which appeared on page 299 of the proceedings from the May 1994 Symposium on New Energy.


In this paper I would like to bring to your attention one of his devices he calls the SIBERIAN COLIU. Following is a small extract from the advertisement which describes its components in principle.


"A cylindrical magnet is cut along one of its axial planes and the one half is turned up-down (the magnetic forces themselves do the rotation). Around this magnet, there is a trough filled with mercury in which the copper ring which can be seen at right swims (the children take salt solution and suspend the ring on threads). After sending a current of some tens of amperes from the battery at left, which is regulated by the rheostat, the ring begins to rotate. That's all!"


Circuit:

Cylinder magnet in center Copper ring rotates clockwise
\ __---__/
_/ __ __ \_
/ / | \ \
---->---->---| | N | S | |--->---->----
| \_ \__|__/ _/ |
| \__ __/ |
| --- |
| |
| | | |
----<----<-------| | | |-------<----<----
| |
Battery
According to his theories, you can do the reverse. Rotate the copper ring clockwise and it will generate power in the same direction of current flow. Yes I said the same direction. Marinov has demonstrated and proved this in his devices. What this means, and as he explains, is that working as a motor or a generator, there is no opposing torque to the direction of rotation and hence the device becomes "Self Accellerating" and as long as you draw power from it, it will power itself.

There is one barrier when constructing this as a mechanical device and that is friction. Due to the low torques generated, friction halts the self accellerating process but its seems that Marinov has overcome this and implies that he has a SIBERIAN COLIU working as a PERPETUUM MOBILE and will soon present this at a press conference.


It soon comes to mind that if his theories are true and his device is indeed doing what he explains then surely there must be a way to tap this energy in a more efficient way than a crudely inefficient electro mechanical device.
I believe I have come up with such a way and device. I have been able to do so by deriving an analogy of Marinov's Scalar Magnetic Theory to the rotation of the Earth.


If the Earth were a spherical magnet with the same field properties as that of Marinov's cylinder magnet, and the sun constantly supplied electrons just like that of the battery, then the Earth's ionosphere and crust would act like the copper ring and rotate. If this is so, no wonder that satelite tether was vaporised. It would have been tapping into an unimaginable amount of energy that was keeping the earth in perpetual rotation. You can bet NASA never heard of Marinov's theories.


>From this analogy it then becomes easy to imagine an efficient device with no moving parts that may utilise Scalar magnetism to derive free energy and power itself.


All that would be required is to replace the copper ring with an ionised gas plasma that may be contained in a sealed tube in the shape of a donut of which the cylinder magnet will then be placed in the hole. Two metal conductors shall be placed at oppossing ends on the outside of the donut tube of which their axis will be at right angles to the cut plane of the cylinder magnet.


When a DC current is placed on the electrodes and the gas is ionised, it will become conductive (maybe even superconductive). This will cause the gas to rotate inside its donut tube (according to Marinov's theory). This will inturn generate more current in the same direction of the applied current flow and the device will become self generating and the excess power may be fed to a load.


See Diagram Below:

Ionising gas in donut tube-"x"
\ _______ Donut shaped gas containment
Cylinder magnet in centre \__/ x \__ / tube
\ _/ x __---__ x \_
Metal Conductor __ / x _/ __ __ \_ x \ Metal conductor electrode
electrode \ / x / / | \ \ x \ /
---->----|- | | N | S | | -|---->----
| \ x \_ \__|__/ _/ x / |
| \_ x \__ __/ x _/ |
| \_ x --- x _/ |
| \__ x __/ |
| ----- |
| Changover |
| | | Switch |
|---<----<-------| | | |---0/--0----<---|
| | | | |
| Ionising Current Source |
| | |
| \_ |
----<----<-----/\/\/\/\----0 \0----<----
Load Changeover
Switch
As can be seen above, there are no mechanical parts and hence, no friction to over come so even the smallest amount of torque on the gas plasma will soon accellerate to very large amounts as determined by the amount of current the load draws.

I believe other successful vacuume tube energy devices of the past must have worked by utilising the same principles. T. Henry Moray was quoted as saying the amount of energy his device produced was determined by the load he placed on it. The more load he connected, the device powered with no problems. This is inherent in the working principle of the above device.


If anyone experiments with the above mentioned device, it will be appreciated if the results are forwarded to me via Keelynet or at mathew3@netspace.net.au.


All comments, questions and critique welcome...
Regards,
Ossie Callanan

[Aaron]

Marinov diagram

Marinov's basic concept here so you can see the pics.
There is plenty online.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/SAPTUBE.html

[Vortex]

Is their device real or just Hype to make money?

Quote: "unlock the latent over-unity potential of the Faraday disk dynamo"
They are calling it "Magnetic Induction Dynamo project"

– the Faraday Disk Dynamo as the original over-unity device –

[Aaron]

Stefan Marinov | Self Accelerating Plasma tube

Any interest in Stefan Marinov's Self Accelerating Plasma tube?

[broli]

Time for some reviving. When I was touring youtube you won't believe what I found. To cut to the chase here's the video:

YouTube - Rodin Coil - Look Ma One Finger w/ Venus-Violet

This tube is exactly what can be used for Callanan's concept. I already contacted the youtube user to know more about the origin of that tube.

[captbigcountry]

help

I'm new to this , I get the concepts and theory but need help with technical stuff are their books thY can help educate me in building magnetic generators or bedini motors , coils, and the like ?o