Bedini/Cole Bipolar switch (or how to drastically reduce your input!)

[minoly]

Hi Bhargav,
exciting times! wish we could be walking those streets so we could all bump into each other.
I'm sure there are other benefits to caps, post your question on BM2 or better yet, apply to Bedini_Window_Energizer : Bedini_Window_Energizer
that cap amplifier sounds almost, not quite, what Bits is doing w/ his pulseinator over on the Tesla Switch thread. my guess is you might have the opportunity to view it for yourself this weekend.
We'll just have to live vicariously through all you lucky folks
Patrick

[Bhargav]

Window energizer membership

Hey Patrick,
Thanks for the link but I cant even get to " Join this group " page on the Bedini _window_energizer link you provided... Seems funny coz atleast a homepage is shown on most groups .

Do let me know if there is somebody i can mail about this... (is it rick ??)

I will sure carry a notepad and see what all i can jot down for remembering . Really wish there was a video i could carry back home and keep reviewing ... There is nothing as valuable as a video to keep mulling over againg and again. There generally is so much to be discovered at various stages of experimenting.

Thanks for the video on the 3 pole kit . Sure looks promising and great to see both the batteries rise on voltage even though it some time to register .Well the charging battery rose high enough to be very convincing . You have a ten colier too, right . Hows that coming along ... I finished setting my 20 coiler ( ten normal and 10 one wire coils ) and just abt getting the system running before coming to the conference . Hope i can soak all the information in the conference .


It shud be good listening to P.lindeman on his BEMF theory. Hope to talk to him abt window motor if i get chance... BTW , not many people know abt the conference in the northwest boulevard area which is so close to the resort ... Maybe thats how things are in America , but if it was back in my town there would be lots of banners in the area and lots of promo work really ... Anyway , will write to you with all that i can understand at the conference abt the motors...

Wish i cud see you here,
Bhargav

[Mark]

Hi Bhargav

You have the 10 coiler and the additional add on piece that comes with a rotor and 10 single wire coils? I hope you will try your setup to recharge the primary battery. Did your assembly instruction come with the information on how to keep your primary battery charged? If it didn't you need to get in touch with Rick and ask for them or ask him what specifically you need to do for it to work.

Here is a quote I copied from his ordering page:

"We now offer an additional attachment that will attach to this 10 coiler that will function like the early Bedini Energizer system replicated by Jim Watson. It will consist of a rotor with magnets, and energizer coils with frame assembly. It will allow for back charging the primary battery bank"

Mark

[minoly]

Window Motor Group

Hey Patrick,
Thanks for the link but I cant even get to " Join this group " page on the Bedini _window_energizer link you provided... Seems funny coz atleast a homepage is shown on most groups .

Do let me know if there is somebody i can mail about this... (is it rick ??)

I will sure carry a notepad and see what all i can jot down for remembering . Really wish there was a video i could carry back home and keep reviewing ... There is nothing as valuable as a video to keep mulling over againg and again. There generally is so much to be discovered at various stages of experimenting.

Thanks for the video on the 3 pole kit . Sure looks promising and great to see both the batteries rise on voltage even though it some time to register .Well the charging battery rose high enough to be very convincing . You have a ten colier too, right . Hows that coming along ... I finished setting my 20 coiler ( ten normal and 10 one wire coils ) and just abt getting the system running before coming to the conference . Hope i can soak all the information in the conference .


It shud be good listening to P.lindeman on his BEMF theory. Hope to talk to him abt window motor if i get chance... BTW , not many people know abt the conference in the northwest boulevard area which is so close to the resort ... Maybe thats how things are in America , but if it was back in my town there would be lots of banners in the area and lots of promo work really ... Anyway , will write to you with all that i can understand at the conference abt the motors...

Wish i cud see you here,
Bhargav

You can email Rick or JB…

We’re working on a 9 coiler from scratch – on again off again project.
We have 5 completed and tested so far. We’re bringing on one at a time and putting them each individually and together through their paces. Trying to make some sense of it all, make them all match/resonate with the same characteristics. It’s a long process for us. We’ll report more when we make some real progress on the monopole4 group.
As I look at the schedule, you must be building your new 3 PM kit right about now.

Patrick

[Bhargav]

Window motor developments

Hey Patrick,
I will write to about the window motor learnings i got from the convention . Big thanks to Josh , Rick for the insights.

First up the big news , Rick is developing a 100 hp window motor !!! its about 1.5 times the size of window motor kit b.... Thats it
Its touted to have a Neodymium magnets inside . Shaft size of about 1 inch . The motor was sealed ( encased ), so nothing on the inside was visible.

Rick showcased the window motor lawn mover ... Gee that was great fun to watch . He said the best configuration is to use a hall switch and use thick gauge wires and wrap them really thick ( 4" diameter ) . But he hadnt wrapped the coils around the motor but had placed it like above the 6 x2 face in window motor kit b . Guess you must have seen the lawnmover on the monopole2 group already ... if not i will draw a figure if you want me to .
Neodymium magnets 4 x 4 x 1 inch was used ( not 100% sure abt the size, but looked like it ) . All encased in epoxy to be a round rotor structure and not a hexagon . The coils which were wrapped inside a rectangular plastic tube was placed quite close to the round rotor.

Tips from Josh Goven ,

Parallel the 220 ohm with a high and low value .
Parallel a lot of strands into the trigger wire . He said he is using the trigger wire method but it is good to go for hall switching .
For torque , he recommended use of 220 ohm as is on the circuit and 470 ohm b/w legs of MJL .For speed the higher value variations .
But most important was to parallel high and low value on the 220 ohm resistor. Higher watt resistor can be used on them .

From what i could understand Rick said wrapping around the motor as shown in window motor kit b is not necessary but Bedini still prefers it that way . Rick said we could use 4 of such rectangular tubes( filled with multiple strand of thick gauge wires ) around the window motor . The window motor lawnmover moved quite easily with about 8 batteries on it + Rick . So , i guess the torque is there to be had .

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Iam going to start off with learning the hall switching and then move to thick and lots of wires for research. If there is anything more i can elaborate on , i will be extremely happy to write for you ...

Bhargav

[minoly]

Hi Bhargav,
Did the big WM look something like this:
Free Energy Convention | Musings from a Rascal
or this one at the bottom here:
2009 Energy Fair in Canton NY

We got our small window motor down to about 80 micro amps @12v w/ 90ohms of 26 awg, all while lighting a couple of small white 2.7v LEDs
The more ohms the slower it turns, the more efficient it is. We might have to try some 18 awg, that makes a lot of sense. Should be good torque, if you can get the same 80 ohms it should be as efficient – kinda reminds me of JB’s bowling ball build.

I use to tune an old MG for my dad when I was a kid, on the hopes that one day it might be mine. We never had any fancy carb floaty ball tuners or distributor cap light instruments. I learned how to do it all by feel, sound, smell, and sight. Playing around with the WM reminds me of that. It’s nice to have the scope to make sense of it though.

I’m w/ JB on the complete wrap, mostly to increase ohms and torque w/o stress + it has a nice symmetry to it. I don’t know how we’re going to fit 4” on there – phew! there is a guy who sells regular motor science kits here:
Simple Electric Motors
he has schematics online, you can get the feel for the hall switching w/ a simple build first, use it to light an led with the pass of a magnet, then work your way from there :-)
Look forward to hearing your progress on BM4
Patrick

[Bhargav]

Window motor at convention

Hey Patrick,

The lawnmover had the " Bing Honkin Window Motor " . Not that pretty yet but it worked great . Rick spent a good 2 hours talking about them and how he had goofed up way back when he built the rotor ... Boy , its great to see those guys build good motors...

I dont know what the exact spec of the zener diode that needs to be used with the hall switches . have you tried any yet?? Its probably just the amperes that they can handle but thought i shud ask ...

I agree on the symmetry but the problem seems to be in putting thicker gauge wires and then putting enough wraps of them ... I think that is the primary reason the wires are being placed like coils on the casing of a normal alternator. Looks like we are going to have to rebuild the side support of the kit if we are to try out the new wire setup.

Bhargav

[minoly]

Window motor at convention

Good morning Bhargav,
I wasn't aware that there was a way to use a zener diode in that ckt. where does it go? or are you thinking of up-ing the voltage above 24v?

the hall only needs 12v. you can limit that by only connecting it to the first 12V.
so if you have 3 12v batteries in series 36v, connect the halls power to the common negative and then to the + of the first 12v.

Think of the hall as just a catalyst, you want the "amps" that tickle the "mpsa06's" base to go through the pnp not the hall.

seriously, play around w/ a hall to light up an LED then add the pnp to light it up, then add the npn. place various resistors in there - @ the hall out put - @ the pnp's "output" anyplace you can think of to control the lights intensity. this short exercise will go a long way.
Patrick

[Bhargav]

Isolating the 12V for the halls

Dear Patrick,
Yeah , the zener diodes were supposed to protect the halls on the event of using more than 12V . So like iam doing right now , if i were to use 48V with the circuit then the halls will pop . Thanks for the tips on halls , It seems reallt wise to isolate the halls and have just a 12 V circuit on them .

The power coil was heating up with the kit back home(23 gauge) when i ran them with reed switches .So, it seems thicker gauge wire and thick wraps are a necessity with external switching . I agree on the 4" wire , i guess that's one simple reason having a window outside makes sense. On the lawnmover motor , about 20 strands of wire was initally put together as one thick multistrand wire and then the thick multistrand was wrapped around to form the 4" thick window.

Its idle talk just now ... but its gonna be super progress as soon as iam back home .

Will post progress ...

Bhargav

[Bhargav]

Placement of magnets in a neodymium window motor

Hey Patrick,
Got the motor running on one hall switch , but am getting stuck with the other hall switch . Unable to tell just now what the problem . Iam totally re assembling the system and starting from scratch with a single coil to learn the hall switching circuit . Is there any connection between pins 1,2 ( Vcc and Ground ) as shown in the left corner of schematic ?? or is it just a symbol .

So how many circuits have you connected uptil now . I presume only one circuit will be necessary for one thick winding but gets me thinking if i should use multi strands and then use the 3 circuits to go along ???

Any idea why we use insulated copper wire for motor winding ? I know its a very basic question but even after looking for a while on google , couldnt really figure out why ... The deal is that i recently got a heavy transformer installation in my factory and i have many meters of 1.25" aluminium wire . It is not coated every single strand but is plastic wrapped on the outside... Will it work ? Probably not but really curious to know why ...

Now for more interesting stuff : Iam planning to replicate the big lawnmover motor shown by Rick . I remembering REN writing somewhere that for Neodymium magnets , the rotor construction will be slightly different . DADHAV's video also has the magnets spaced slightly further out than Window motor kit B design . I dont have access to Monopole 2 group ; If you have come across anything with regard to this please let me know .

4" thick wires is looking very difficult on the window motor kit b . I think i will settle for 2" on this design . Will keep you posting about the progress...

Bhargav

[Guruji]

Window motor on Cap

Hi guys I saw Bedini running a window motor on a cap I lost the link now but does anyone have a schematic of this?
Thanks

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Hi guys I saw Bedini running a window motor on a cap I lost the link now but does anyone have a schematic of this?
Thanks

Here is the link,



YouTube - Window Motor Running On Capacitors


Position your halls about 120 degrees apart, and only use 3 magnets.

Jeff

[Bhargav]

thanks for coming by Bits

Thanks for coming by the thread as promised Bits .

Do you want to take a dig at circuit tuning question ? how to get the best torque ? Resistor values ... Etc

Can you describe the placement of neo's on the window motor ?

What is the best coil arrangement for the window motor ?

Any idea what is the best torque i can aim to generate out of window motor kit b at 48v and right tuning ?

There are a ton more questions... But these are the most important questions i would ask the pro ...

Bhargav

[Bit's-n-Bytes]

Thanks for coming by the thread as promised Bits .

Do you want to take a dig at circuit tuning question ? how to get the best torque ? Resistor values ... Etc

Can you describe the placement of neo's on the window motor ?

What is the best coil arrangement for the window motor ?

Any idea what is the best torque i can aim to generate out of window motor kit b at 48v and right tuning ?

There are a ton more questions... But these are the most important questions i would ask the pro ...

Bhargav

Ren has done an oustanding job illustrating most of the answers to your questions here;
http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Win...20Tutorial.pdf

Jeff

[ren]

Thanks Bits, need to do an update to that with the halls. Got some very good results once I changed to halls