Bedini/Cole Bipolar switch (or how to drastically reduce your input!)

[darkwizard]

Hey theremart this is the circuit http://www.energenx.com/john34/dsw1.jpg

[ren]

Hi guys,

@ Dark Wizard. I have run it off the full and half circuit, using trigger coils in both instances. To do so I just have to disconnect one trigger wire and it becomes the half circuit. The halls for timing were a bit difficult for me, anyway, I am happy with the triggers as they are. They allow me to run higher voltages safely and easily. I have run it for over 5 hours and lost .01 of a volt, but the torque is nearly non existent at this draw. Anyway 500ma isnt much to pay for the speed and torque it puts out. Plus charging on the back end.

@ Mart. The schematic is the half circuit that I was reffering to. You can find it here http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YCuzSCV...iles/mcct1.jpg
The 3k resistor is the one I am reffering to. Make it 220 ohms with a 2k pot to start with. If its too high you cant get it up to speed.

Let me know if you need more info.

Ren

[theremart]

Re: monopole.

http://www.icehouse.net/john1/mot1.jpg

This is how looks my motor like John Bedini monopole version of bedini/cole circuit.


Thanks John Bedini, I love you!! I UNDERSTAND YOU!

Ok Wiz, you have built this circuit?

Ren, is this close to what you have?

Mart

[darkwizard]

With 3.3k the motor doesn't run but i put a 2k potentiometer here and i could regulate the trigger current in order to switch on PNP and NPN.

I use an ST ELECTRONICS PNP MJ2955, and two motorola NPN 2N3055 , first i put mjl 21194 here but 2n3055 "junk" run better. I don't know why, but junkyard 2n3055 bipolar transistor performs better on my circuit.

[tecknomancer]

my experienced with the MJL21194 is similar

my small bedini motor works great with 2n3055 but MJL21194 are less effective I know the MJL21194 is an excellent chip to use it in my motor controller but for some reason seems less effective when using Neodymium magnets.

[darkwizard]

Bedini cole circuit uses mj2955 PNP and 2n3055 npn, i'm talking about put an mjl 21194 instead an 2n3055 , doesn`t make any visible difference.

mj2955 PNP cannot be replaced by an 2n3055 NPN.

Basically bedini cole circuit is the original circuit, that recharges the primary battery.

[darkwizard]

My experience with this system is that it works better with an iron core flux transformer , as showed bedini on the 2004 patent, extra/generator coils must be window coils as showed by rick friedrich in his ssg self runner window version. The extra window coils must be connected on series with a hall switching device trough a diode bridge to a battery , the pulses of high electroscalar potential must elevate the voltage, and overcome overunity.

[ren]

neos could be the problem there tecknmoancer(lol, love that name ) the 2n3055 is a great little transistor, shouldnt be underestimated. I wonder if your MJL was a genuine one, probably worth checking out this page

Counterfeit Transistors

goes for anyone who is buying these.

@ Mart, when I started this thread it was in relation to the little build I had done. EDIT: oops I think I have removed the pics I originally posted. Im running out of room for attachments, I can email you some of them if you need em

This little coil of bifilar 0.5 is switching a two pole HDD rotor with the half circuit as pictured in the link above. I cant remember exact resistances but I will give you this to start with.

Build a sg circuit with the mpsao6. Dont attach any coils. Make sure you check the pins, the middle one is the base! Be careful when soldering, its very small and easy to damage. Use 1n914 for the E-B diode and dont put any output diode on it. 100-500 ohm fixed resistor and a 1-5k pot

Next get a PNP (Darkwizard I used the same ones as you ) and wire the emitter to your positive power supply and or Cap. Also wire 470 ohm resistor between Emitter and base. For these T03 style casings its as simple as 470ohms across the two pins. You can experiment with different resistances here, but this will get it running. Now here comes the part that we are talking about which can alter your amperage up and down really well.

Wire a 220ohms resistor off the base of the PNP (you can add a 1-2k pot here for tweaking, but start it with low resistance) and then connect that to the COLLECTOR of the MPSAO6. The emitter of that then goes to the base of the complimentary NPN, no resistance necessary (though I have never tested anything here??).

Whatever configuration you have used for your PNP use also for the NPN. That is, 470 ohms on the PNP equals 470 ohms on the NPN. This is easy again for the T03, just wire it across the pins. The emitter goes to the negative of your circuits source.

The drive/power coil/s go between the collectors of the NPN and PNP, the signal MPS has the trigger coil hooked to the base/emitter in SG fashion. If you are using a superpole rotor (souths and norths) one polarity will pick up and fire on the norths, the other polarity will pick up and fire on the souths. You will need to inverse the power coil to match the trigger coil if you arent using the full circuit.

Bridge comes off the power coil, in this case just use one of the other collector terminals on your TO3's.

Im pretty confident you know how to build it Mart, so this is for anyone else who may be struggling to comprehend it.

[tecknomancer]

neos could be the problem there tecknmoancer(lol, love that name ) the 2n3055 is a great little transistor, shouldnt be underestimated. I wonder if your MJL was a genuine one, probably worth checking out this page

Counterfeit Transistors

goes for anyone who is buying these.

@ Mart, when I started this thread it was in relation to the little build I had done. EDIT: oops I think I have removed the pics I originally posted. Im running out of room for attachments, I can email you some of them if you need em

This little coil of bifilar 0.5 is switching a two pole HDD rotor with the half circuit as pictured in the link above. I cant remember exact resistances but I will give you this to start with.

Build a sg circuit with the mpsao6. Dont attach any coils. Make sure you check the pins, the middle one is the base! Be careful when soldering, its very small and easy to damage. Use 1n914 for the E-B diode and dont put any output diode on it. 100-500 ohm fixed resistor and a 1-5k pot

Next get a PNP (Darkwizard I used the same ones as you ) and wire the emitter to your positive power supply and or Cap. Also wire 470 ohm resistor between Emitter and base. For these T03 style casings its as simple as 470ohms across the two pins. You can experiment with different resistances here, but this will get it running. Now here comes the part that we are talking about which can alter your amperage up and down really well.

Wire a 220ohms resistor off the base of the PNP (you can add a 1-2k pot here for tweaking, but start it with low resistance) and then connect that to the COLLECTOR of the MPSAO6. The emitter of that then goes to the base of the complimentary NPN, no resistance necessary (though I have never tested anything here??).

Whatever configuration you have used for your PNP use also for the NPN. That is, 470 ohms on the PNP equals 470 ohms on the NPN. This is easy again for the T03, just wire it across the pins. The emitter goes to the negative of your circuits source.

The drive/power coil/s go between the collectors of the NPN and PNP, the signal MPS has the trigger coil hooked to the base/emitter in SG fashion. If you are using a superpole rotor (souths and norths) one polarity will pick up and fire on the norths, the other polarity will pick up and fire on the souths. You will need to inverse the power coil to match the trigger coil if you arent using the full circuit.

Bridge comes off the power coil, in this case just use one of the other collector terminals on your TO3's.

Im pretty confident you know how to build it Mart, so this is for anyone else who may be struggling to comprehend it.

thanks ren for the link, I checked out my MJL21194 they were the real deal as for my mistaken chip number MJ2955, may I just say DOH!!! pulls his foot squarely out of his mouth and says sorry

[darkwizard]

Ren, i love your motor!!! The best window motor on the web!

Your motor is very strong , it will move a car alternator?

[darkwizard]

Ok, i will put this in other form, take your trigger coils and put all of them connected in series and connect this to a diode bridge , this will turn your bedini cole circuit into a generator, and take some of what is producing to the primary battery in order to increase the volts here, and the trigger - transistor switching can be replaced by hall efect transistors or reed switch like on the adam bedini version motor.

This will produce the overunity, because you are generating a pulse in order to switch the transistors in the order of the battery voltage , with hall switching devices you will waste some energy of the primary battery but you will gain a little more in the coils.

Original Bedini/Cole sequential bipolar circuit is as it is but some reason , that is the reason that the upgraded circuit doesnīt have any trigger coil, because it will switch trough the hall effect and battery voltage, more resistance is needed in order to use little current of the primary.

It is a simple experiment, you donīt have to pay anything in order to get the energy. Faithfully!

[darkwizard]

http://web.archive.org/web/200009022...john1/amm1.jpg

this was the bedini adam motor i'm talking about the only thing that one has to do is convert the bedini cole trigger coils into generator coils and bingo, this circuit has two pnp and one npn and one hall switch

[darkwizard]

This is what i'm talking about.

[darkwizard]

The best timing for this device is what John was showing in his window motor without battery.

this link

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinicolemotor.mpg

John uses this circuit but instead of putting a reed switch he will use an hall efect transistor

[darkwizard]

Bedini uses an extra transistor, and i think that he is using an extra power coil