Bedini/Cole Bipolar switch (or how to drastically reduce your input!)

[Tehnoman]

Read pages 26-29 of this document:
Eric Dollard Notes on Dielectricity and Capacitance.
Eric Dollard Notes (1986--1991)

"The misconception that capacitance is the accumulation of electrons has seriously distorted our view of dielectric phenomena."

Eric is probably considered the leading Tesla expert because he actually duplicated more of it than anyone else...from my understanding.

Therefore, his opinion is valuable in my opinion.

Yeah, it is valuable indeed. It means, that our (I think - present science) understanding and conception about charge and charged particles are completely wrong in worst case. Crap. Changing thinking about physics in such fundamental level will be quite hard. I just hope that it won't be worst case and we are just missing something. Oh well. Will have to look for a book to study in parallel with my electromagnetic studies at university. I feel that it will be hard semester.

I have a question, if I put from any type of circuit only a positive lead to a capacitor...can I make it charge without connecting the ground? I'm talking for example a 33,000uf 60v capacitor.

Will it charge if I connect only 1 lead?

According to conventional theory, will it charge? If so, why, if not why?

According to non-conventional theory, will it charge? If so, why, if not why?

I would appreciate any input.

So, I will speak about conventional theory side, as I am not so educated about non-conventional theory. As far as I am aware, you won't be able to take charge (if you connect to "+" side, that means - take electrons) from circuit to "+" side of cap, maybe just very little amount.

Why? Because, in this way of look we describe a charged cap as a two near conductive material plates one containing "-" charge (excess of electrons) and other "+" charge (excess of positive metal nucleus or absence of electrons). The energy we have given to it wants to get system to more stable state - discharged, that means - get electrons from one side out, where they are more than needed, and other - where they are needed - in. But in same time. If you connect circuit to just one side (+) and want to give charge or take from there, cap has no place to send electrons or from where to take electrons at other side.

What this means?
1) cap itself won't make any asymmetry in himself, because it would be less stable than symmetric charge, so no charge "taking" from circuit at "+" side.
2) if we force circuit to produce "-" charge to "+" side of cap, we might charge it asymmetrically, yet we must construct a circuit that will give this asymmetric charge - like caps, all kind of closed circuits wants to be symmetrically used - for given electron, get one back. Of course, that is not problem, if we take this excess electron from earth, yet, that could not be so simple, in this I'm not so sure, somebody correct me, If I'm wrong.

But before I said - maybe just little bit. Well, this little bit is just microscopic effects - I suppose cap could get little charge from or give to wire going out of it, even if it is not connected to earth. But these effect should be minor. The capacitance and voltage just would give us info about what kind of circuit we want to use and how much we could try to charge our cap.

That is the way as I could describe the given situation with my present pre-university knowledge.

Would be very happy to hear non-conventional theory view at this situation too.

[Aaron]

opposing ideas

A brilliant friend and mentor of mine, Kevin Pirolo, told me something in relation to something else:

F Scott Fitzgerald's famous epigram - 'the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function'

Most people can't do this. YOU CAN! Master the conventional books based on what they teach and what your teachers believe...while at the same time...you know there may be something else on the other side of the fence.

[Tehnoman]

[..]
F Scott Fitzgerald's famous epigram - 'the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function'
[..]

Nice sentence. Yeah, it is very interesting about processes in our heads if we actively are trying to develop two different and opposing ideas about one thing. I think one can go crazy.

But still. I guess I won't have problems in keeping conventional way of thinking in my head, because I've been knowing and logical thinking about classical approach to electrostatics/electro magnetics for at least for or five years. Just need to get a new way deep enough. But better now than later. As I am quite young (19.8 years), hope I will succeed.

[ren]

A brilliant friend and mentor of mine, Kevin Pirolo, told me something in relation to something else:

F Scott Fitzgerald's famous epigram - 'the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function'

Most people can't do this. YOU CAN! Master the conventional books based on what they teach and what your teachers believe...while at the same time...you know there may be something else on the other side of the fence.

Nice Aaron.

It reminded me of something I have been reading recently.

"I have but one law for all My opposed pairs of creating things; and that law needs but one word to spell it out, so hear Me when I say that the one word of My one law is
BALANCE
"And if man needs two words to aid him in his knowing of the workings of that law, those two words are
BALANCED INTERCHANGE
"If man still needs more words to aid his knowing of My one law, give him another one, and let those three words be
RHYTHMIC BALANCED INTERCHANGE"

Walter Russell talks about the two opposing pairs of our universe, our mind. (but mind is not meant in the sense of your brain) . How they are complete opposites of each other and how they are used to create the microscopic and macroscopic world we experience. How they divide, but multiply and do the work that is done. Each has its task to do and when they return one voids into the other returning to stillness. Its not as eloquently as he would put it, but its my understanding so far.


To me it sums up what the search should be for in these circuits. Rhythmic balanced interchange between opposing pairs. Not about more out than in or overunity or something else. But a system that takes the natural principles, the waves, and utilizes them in harmony, collecting and redistributing in unity through mutual interchange.

[Jetijs]

Hi ren
I decided to try building one of these. But I will use neos for this, For now I am looking at these:
2" x 1" x...
It will be a six pole rotor, like your big one. But looking at your big window motor picture it seems that you are using two bar magnets on each pole, right? And how are the poles configured? NSNSNS?

[ren]

Cool Jet, will be good to have a comparison for the two different grades of magnets!

My large rotor is a six pole, the longer rotor is just two magnets side by side, same polarity facing out. One big long north or south)

It is configured in traditional window motor fashion with alternating poles in such a way that at 180 degrees there are opposite polarities. (Coincidently I noted on one of JB's notes said "can be 2, 6, 12 pole." but 12 pole doesnt match up at 180 degree opposites, it should be 10 I think. Any number with its half being an odd number I think.)

If you wind it with two triggers you can use switching on both poles. I would say trigger wires are the way to go, hall sensors could be fiddly. But who knows with the neos. Look forward to seeing it come alive mate.

[Aaron]

radiants pair

Hi Ren,

Good post on balance.

Radiant potential has its own negative and positive. BUT, the radiant potential itself also has a counterpart.

[Maxwell]

1 Lead Cap Charging

I have a question, if I put from any type of circuit only a positive lead to a capacitor...can I make it charge without connecting the ground? I'm talking for example a 33,000uf 60v capacitor.

Will it charge if I connect only 1 lead?

According to conventional theory, will it charge? If so, why, if not why?

According to non-conventional theory, will it charge? If so, why, if not why?

I am still learning non-conventional theory. Conventional theory I can comment on.

Will it charge? My answer from conventional theory: it depends. A capacitor will build a voltage only if there is current through it. With nothing connected to one lead, it would initially suggest that there can be no current. This is not always true. There could be ionization in the air to provide current to the lead. Just because there is no wire does not mean there cannot be movement of charge.

I once had some fun with placing tin foil on a TV screen (CRT). When it turns on, charge builds up from the strong electric field (see Chapter 2: Electromagnetism for example). I read some years ago that big power capacitors tend to gather charge when left disconnected, and it was attributed to the strong fields in the vicinity. Bleed resistors are always used to ensure no voltage holds on capacitors that just sit there.

Another example is using a FET to detect electrostatic fields: Build this simple "electronic electroscope," a FET electrometer. In a JFET construction, there is capacitance between the gate and the rest of the device, so this is essentially charging a capacitor.

Another type of current that can charge a cap in this scenario is displacement current. Basically, that unconnected lead to the cap acts as an antenna and can pick up radiation. It would likely need to be rectified to be significant, but it's still possible.

The real test would be if you placed the cap in a shield, like a Faraday cage, and in a vacuum. By conventional theory, it will not gather charge.

[Maxwell]

Steinmetz books

Will have to look for a book to study in parallel with my electromagnetic studies at university. I feel that it will be hard semester.

The quote here of Eric Dollard is actually a quote of Charles Proteus Steinmetz. Tehnoman, you might try finding texts by Steinmetz. I just went to my local university library and found several of his books (by the library card of one, I am the first to check it out - makes sense I guess).

[Aaron]

free old book downloads

You can download almost any old book for free here:
Internet Archive: Text Archive

In dejavu format or pdf, etc...

[theremart]

RE: old text..

I thought this was cool...

"How to signal Mars by Tesla"

http://ia340924.us.archive.org/0/ite...Tesla_1909.pdf

[tjnlsn255]

Second trigger wire.....

Does the second trigger wire have to be wound opposite the first trigger wire?

If so can it be wound after the bifiler is completed and right on top of the other two wires but in the opposite direction?

Thank you.....

Todd

Cool Jet, will be good to have a comparison for the two different grades of magnets!

My large rotor is a six pole, the longer rotor is just two magnets side by side, same polarity facing out. One big long north or south)

It is configured in traditional window motor fashion with alternating poles in such a way that at 180 degrees there are opposite polarities. (Coincidently I noted on one of JB's notes said "can be 2, 6, 12 pole." but 12 pole doesnt match up at 180 degree opposites, it should be 10 I think. Any number with its half being an odd number I think.)

If you wind it with two triggers you can use switching on both poles. I would say trigger wires are the way to go, hall sensors could be fiddly. But who knows with the neos. Look forward to seeing it come alive mate.

[tjnlsn255]

How is that different from a voltage regulator?

Why not just use a voltage regulator like in a car alternator.....

The whole idea is to keep the battery(s) full but not over charge, right?

I am just an amateur so I may be missing something....

Todd

I had this idea I am going to experiment with thought I would let you guys in on it. I was trying to think of a simple peak switch that would turn on when the voltage rises past a certain point. Well they make those and are commonly available and used as surge suppressors. the part is carlled a varistor. or MOS varistor. and what they do is conduct current when they reach the clamping voltage. Usually they are only hooked up to suppress surges and spikes in the power line. So I thought why not hokk one in searies with a capacitor so that when it reaches a cetain voltage it can discharge into a battery or a coil. it would save on having to make the bedini wheel with the pully and the cam with a switch to fire the cap into the battery. just hook a varistor in series with the cap and then when it gets up to the selected voltage it fires into the battery. you can get them with various clamping voltages and they have a super fast respons time. It may also be good for firing a coil with a fast rise time. I am just thinking at thins point and have not obtained one to test it.
Here is some information.

varistor: Definition and Much More from Answers.com

[theremart]

RE: Trigger wire.

Does the second trigger wire have to be wound opposite the first trigger wire?

If so can it be wound after the bifiler is completed and right on top of the other two wires but in the opposite direction?

Thank you.....

Todd

I wind mine after the power coil. It seems to do better for me. It is easier to try different lengths of trigger wire as well if you use this method.

Mart

[Jetijs]

Hi ren
I started to read through all 3k posts on window motor group at yahoo, this will take a while. I passed by a post where it is said that the steel rotor will give more torque but less RPMs. The steel is used because of the flywheel effect and because it is magnetic and all attached magnets this way form kind of one big magnet. I ordered my neos, they will be 4"x1"x1" - very strong. Each one of these can lift about 190 pounds of weight
They are talking that the basic window motor should have two coils with 350 turns. One wire should be smaller and other thicker, just like in SSG. But some of them are also talking about a third winding that should be wound with a twice as long wire and this is called the generator winding. I do not quite understand this so far, but I am also gotten through about 50 messages. Do you know something about this third winding and its functions? And what about magnet distance to windings? Is smaller gap better? It's just that I want to learn as much as I can about window motors before I start building it as soon as my magnets arrive.
Thanks!