Self Running Bedini SG Circuits

[Aaron]

This thread is for any Bedini SG circuits that are modified to self run....or at least attempts to self run.

[Aaron]

Self Running Bedini SG Oscillator

Here's one:
YouTube - Self Running Bedini SG Oscillator

above link is no longer valid - youtube scrapped
all my vids...


here is an updated link:
YouTube - Self Running Bedini Oscillator

[brusers]

semi self runner

I think you might be looking for more solid state ideas, but I'm going to go ahead and throw this up there.

Directory:Bedini SG:Self-Runner - PESWiki

On that page there are a few replications, including my link near the top that I finished a few weeks ago, my "semi" self runner. It does not last as long as I want, but long enough to prove the process is working.
There seems to be a lot going on inside the battery if you stimulate it enough with that back pulse on the correct timing.
It was explained that the back pulse, given right before the circuit fires, creates a large surge of negative energy, which then goes out into the circuit as well as recharging the primary battery.
Bearden had explained in the "Bedini back popping method" papers
here - The Tom Bearden Website
that a couple microwave engineers decided the motor was just a load, and replaced it with a bulb, and it worked.
Quite a bit going on inside those led acid batteries. I'm sure if done properly it could be solid state, specifically utilizing that overpotential capability of the led ions.
I still have some ideas I'm going to try with that wheel, and with solid state using the same idea. But time and money are not permitting right now, so it will have to wait.
But that schematic on the page works, if you build it properly and play with the timing long enough to get it, and understand it, it's good to go.
I honestly don't understand why there are not more replications showing this.
Hope you like the page.

Marcel

[brusers]

SG Oscillator

Aaron,

I was wondering if you might have a schematic for what youi were doing in that video. I'd like to understand the one wire thing you are talking about.
And I have seen my coils self ocscilate, but they did draw a lot more from the primary. Very interesting video I might add..
Thanks,

Marcel

[Aaron]

self runner setup

That is one of my trifilar sg coils. 3rd wire backwards from the power/trigger. 2000 turns. Circuit is identical to roller skate wheel energizer but I have 5k+ resistance on the base.

30,000uf cap on front and same on back...back cap feeds back to front. stick ground wire (-) to the neg on output cap and I get that effect...I've done a lot of radiant "conditioning" with those caps...and am not really sure how much of a difference it makes for this application but it does make a difference in others.

[brusers]

That is interesting. At one time I was trying to put together an 8 strand coil with the SSG circuit that would trigger itself, self oscillating.. And I did something, I could hear it going. But there was no draw off the battery, and no charge on the charging battery. Or it was so minimal I couldn't tell.
It didn't last long and then stopped, and I couldn't reproduce the effect.
Thanks for the details, I appreciate it.

Marcel

[Aaron]

Joule Thief

Marcel,

With that effect you got, if you slapped a magnet on top of the coil, it would probably start again.

Search for the "Joule Thief" circuit..it is in this forum somewhere. You can see another method to make the circuit oscillate no matter what.

[brusers]

Wow, that circuit does look like a basic ssg setup. Thats pretty cool, thanks for the post, I'm going to have to play with that one. I seem to be at a mental block with everything else anyway, this will give me something to think about.
Thanks again chief,

Marcel

[brusers]

Hey that is a cool little circuit. I got it up and running, and then I took 3 of the water fuel cells, had them in separate water containers, hooked them up in series and the little circuit still runs. Very dim, almost can't see it with the lights on, but it's going.. I think I was getting about 2 volts off those cells, or close to it. I think I'm going to end up messing with earth cells in the near future. There seems to be a lot of ways to get a little energy, i.e. the conditioned water fuel cell standing potential. There has to be a simple way to use this to either amplify it, or to shake more out.
More to think about.
Again, thanks for the pointer there, that was a good post.

Marcel

[Aaron]

using lv potential

I think chopping those low voltage potentials very fast into a coil and take the spikes to charge a cap to higher voltage might be doable. Those caps at high enough could then be pulsed to a battery when high enough.

Of course whatever is chopping it will probably take power but if the concept can just be proven...all the rest is details.

[redeagle]

I'm not sure why this thread died out. But i am attempting a self runner myself and i am curious if anybody has tried constant charging of the input battery and pulsing to a cap bank to run the motor. Theoretically this seems to me to be the better option because gel cells prefer constant charging. I'm not overly concerned with what happens to my input battery because it was a freebie that i am reconditioning, as long as any damage only happens to the battery.

Some body posted in the big joule thief thread a simple flasher circuit that could be used to charge the caps for the motor.

Any inputs are appreciated.
Matt.

[Jetijs]

Hi Matt
A some years ago I tried this selfrunning circuit:



It is basically a standard Bedini SSG circuit but with a recovery coil connected. The recovery coil stays open all the time per revolution excpet this one moment where the neo magnet triggers the reedswitch, this in turn turns the relay on and the relay disconnects the SSG circuit from the primary battery and connects the primary battery to the recovery coil, so that the recovery coil discharges into the primary battery. The recovery coil should have many windings so that it can produce at least 30V across bridge rectifier when put near the spinning magnets of SSG. The more the better. Then, if you leave the coil open and connect it to the battery only at correct timing, you will get HV across the coil around up to 2000V. If you do this switching right, there will be no additional drag on the wheel and the primary battery wont lose its charge or might even charge up. I did not try to recover the energy from the secondary battery, if all that recovered energy would also be transfered to the primary battery, then the results could be much better. The think is that the battery does not like to be charged and discharged constantly at high rates and it eventually dies. But since you have nothing to lose, you can try it My experiment was very crude, a better switching could be used for better results.

[redeagle]

Sounds good Jetijs. I guess the only thing after that is keeping the battery in condition some how. After all bedini has some thats been running for years now on the same batteries.

Thanks

Edit:I know that you have to rest the batteries between charging and discharging. And for most batteries you have to cycle them or risk losing capacity. But from what I understand from what aaron said about his self runner and gel cells is that over time the gell dried out. What I don't know about the people that have done self runners is if they cycled their primary batteries and let the motor charge them back up or if they just let them run flat out. And what kind of batteries were they using?

[Aaron]

self runner

Redeagle,

I've gotten around the battery problem by using caps because they don't care if you're charging them and powering a load from them at the same time.

[Inquorate]

Commutator battery capacitor

When I was at ren's place he said he made a Commutator on his bedini that caused a capacitor to load up between firings of the coil: then would disconnect the cap from the battery and to the coil to fire.

I'll be doing something similar with my veljko oscillator