Self Running Bedini SG Circuits

[ren]

Yeah the capacitive discharge was an interesting experiment. Put quite simply, the battery is never directly connected to the coil....ever. This is similar in principle to Bedini's U.S. Patent 6,677,730 issued January 13, 2004 for a "Device and Method for Pulse Charging a Battery and for Driving Other Devices with a Pulse".

I will be doing some more when I get a better commutator built.

BTW Ben, hows your back?

[Inquorate]

I'm back! I'm back!

Ouch, my back! My back!

my back is a little better - painwise - but I believe pinched nerve is responsible for almost unbearable pain in my leg, accompanied by numbness. Weird.

Seeing a neurologist and getting ct scan nxt week.

Tnx for asking!

Ps I'm off work till 20th so pretty much any time you want to drop round, feel free.

Jaycar has metal layered plastic wheels next to the plastic screws that will probably make a great Commutator.

When I was working on my high speed mechanical switch, I put electrical tape on the bits I wanted 'on' and superglued the gaps. When the glue dried, I removed the tape and viola.

Never tested it though.

Ps ren if you do drop round don't forget the bedini video :-)

[Mark]

Hi Ren

I am very interest in the "Device and Method for Pulse Charging a Battery and for Driving Other Devices with a Pulse" I've had the schematic for a while and have been thinking about building the circuit to see what happens when you connect it to and ordinary dc motor. Have you built this circuit and if so what did you observe?

[ren]

I havent built it yet. Fets arent my favorite thing to work with. I used a similar principle but with commutation. Not many people are aware of that patent, let alone attempt to build it.

[redeagle]

I havent built it yet. Fets arent my favorite thing to work with. I used a similar principle but with commutation. Not many people are aware of that patent, let alone attempt to build it.

What's the best way to attach the bicycle wheel to a pulley, try to attach it to the spokes or replace te bearings so the wheel is fixed to a rotating shaft?

i figure it has to be done to power a load anyway so i am trying to figure it out.

[Inquorate]

Bicycle wheel

Use the back wheel, and make your pulley the pedal cog.

Edit: I just realised you want the bicycle wheel to drive the pulley. For that you would have to fix / weld the wheel cog in place so the wheel doesn't free spin.

If you're working with a front wheel, I'd put it on an axle.

[redeagle]

That's what i was thinking i was gonna have to do. I have a set of bearings that i can use but i may end up haveing to put a bushing on the axle to make it snug on the wheel. Won't know till I get the axle and bearings out of the wheel.

[ray stewart]

self runner idear

ok i would like to make my moter self run
a fue thoughts
first it is designed to recharge the seckond battery so if you continually swap the batteries around it should run or self run
now as i see it one pulse from one thence from the other
i am using a bike wheal turning slowley so using a reed i can get a signell for every magnet
this signell can be used in a flip flop sr to change the batteries back and forth every firing
now if you substute the batteries for caps charg the caps start moter do you have a self runner
you could incorperate the earlier scematic of jetijs to grab some of the torque to also feed the system
i have a circuit for the flip flop but have to work out how to post it and i also need to change values of components some help? also i dont know how to put the little quote at the bottom of posts
has any one tried this?????

[ray stewart]

another thought

if you put two coils onto one motor with 2 circuits so 2 moters one charging the drive battery of the otherand running off the others charge ing battery allyou need is to be out of phase from one another and isolate eahh other your frictional losses should be halved and driving current reduced too
i guess you could build a polly phase moter
any circuit idears to isolate moters???

[Inquorate]

Ideas

@ ray stewart - If you're wanting a self runner, go for capacitors, as they accept the radiant event (voltage spike) better than batteries. You will have to condition the caps many times, they become more efficient.

See dmonarch's radiant matter thread for info on why.

/ I would have thought a quick turning wheel would be better - quicker coil core magnetic field collapse = bigger voltage (radiant) spike.

As for collecting torque with pulley wheel of axle, a generator is less effective at producing electricity? I think. Any load will drive up the amperage to spin your wheel.

Maybe find balance between drive coil and collector coils.

See my video here:

YouTube - lenzless bedini motor - no transistors

Good luck! I hope others here answer some of your other queries or point you in the right direction.

Reading the posts on this site is the best source of information on the web. Often when I google my queries, I get links to energeticforum.com, and often I see the questions I posted here.

Take care

[ray stewart]

self runner idear

i found that the faster the wheal spiins the more power "watts" it draws and although the return current increases there is a point that "at about 90 rpm" the return power "watts" appears to exceed the input "watts" any whear from 125% up to200% i thought
the slower the rpm the less friction in bearings etc this can be demonstrated by measured by the drop of100 rpm over time from a high say 1000 rpm to 900 rpm
compaired to the time it takes to go from 100rpm to stop
so l lthough my elictrical spike may not be as big as it could but i have less losses from friction and way less power draw
i want to alter the least number of things possible before reaching out so first batteries and measuring before and after power
i would also like to see how much sedement they produce as this may explain away the "radiant" idea
i am not a chemist but will be looking into it

[Inquorate]

Extra pickup coils on a bedini

Ok, so there's the drive coil in a bedini system, and the radiant event at coil collapse is sent off to a charge battery.

While debating how to harvest additional energy from a bedini wheel, I've realised that one end of the coil connected to earth or source battery negative, the other to a neon to charge battery positive (with charge battery having grounded negative is better) will also only harvest the radiant event; no back EMF, no Lenz's drag. No current until magnetic field collapses and generates the spike, which jumps thru the neon and is put in the battery.

There's still magnetic drag from the core, but could be minimized by using hollow tubes as a core.

No need to get correct timing with reed switches etc......

[ray stewart]

hollow tubes

do you mean air core
i am using soft
iron laminates as much of the core filled as possible
i just couldn't bring myself to using welding rods they become permanant magnets very quickly
causing magnetic drag?
have you done away with the 007 diode?
have you done away with the conection between the charge and drive + battery altogether?

[ren]

Ray the correct welding rods do not do this. Transformer laminations would be great too if sourceable as long as the core doesnt envelope the coil.

And Ben I have found that the "spike" is greatly enhanced by timing, especially in cases where currents are induced into the coil by passing magnets. Put simply, there is a right time to fire where everything will be optimised and your spike will be of its highest value.

[Inquorate]

Ren and ray

re timing ; what if the coil's magnetic field collapses after the magnet has passed quickly enough, (to be honest I haven't done this yet - working with a pendulum so the magnet is at a standstill when I fire the coil) it will be a little like as if the core was magnetised by the coil acting like an electromagnet.

That bit is theory.

Experiment has proven that an energized coil (magnetic field) connected on one end to source negative will, if the power sustaining that magnetic field is abruptly removed (in bedini system this is removing the battery positive and there is no current, just magnetic field. In theory the same thing is happening with an abruptly collapsing core magnetic field with battery neg or ground connection and a neon. No current, rapidly collapsing magnetic field.) anyhoo, the voltage (radiant event / inrush of aether) causes a spike of pure-ish voltage.

Experiment has shown me that yes the inrushing aether will supply current from a no current state in a coil and will jump a neon to a place of lower potential.

and yes, the battery will charge if not connected to source battery but it will be fluffy and won't run a load.

This is because it is aether inrush. Like two waves meeting together that kick up a huge splash, the inrush seeking to fill the void left by the magnetic field (which was holding the aether inflow at bay? Like a high pressure system that pushes away low pressure systems in weather just disappearing, all the low pressure would rush in..

So the aether that jumps the neon into the battery is different to normal charge. Normal charge sucks electrons out of the battery positive.

Radiant charge places a condition of vacuum-ness into the actual battery.

So that won't run a load, but it will cause electrons to be sucked up from an actual ground.

Viola, the charge will be more able to bear a load.

I've lost track of myself. Hope it makes sense.

Oh yeah, I don't use a diode. Just neon and ground. Haven't yet done extensive testing; the above just came to me in last two days.