Bedini SG

[kcarring]

Fisherman's Friend Bedini SG Rotor Concept

I have a new concept of building a cheap, powerful and low friction rotor setup for the SG motor. It is vertically suspended.

If interested, skip ahead to 5:30 on this video where I explain it and show you the working materials.

I think it might be OK, especially considering the cost (under $7)

Check it out, after 5:30 time mark, here:

YouTube - #4 Mini Slayer Exciter Replication - 6.4v 93mA (1)x15 Watt Flourescent.AVI

[FRC]

Scam ?

I would agree with kcarring also. Here is another link Magnets4Energy is a Scam. Magnets4Energy is fraud

There was a recent thread here where someone had built a unit from plans and it did not work. I think they were the same plans, but I am not sure.

FRC

[kcarring]

Get the real deal or at least something useful...

Pardon my oversight in not specifying which generator I plan to build. I bought the Magnets4Energy PMG plans. The design specifies three main elements consisting of a stator and two rotors, circular in shape, each about 1' diameter, aligned concentricly around a wheel hub assembly. The two rotors, located on each side of the stator, each with 8 magnets, rotate, while the stator, with 6 coils, is stationary. The magnets, oriented on the opposing rotor plates, so as to attract each other, rotate over the roughly 4.5 inch square coils. The design, which I suspect is old, specified Grade 3 2"x2" magnets 3/4" thick. I located 2"x2"x1" neo's which I am considering using. What will that do to the design, if anyone knows? Thanks.

I'm no authority on the system, I've never built one, nor have I heard of anyone building one, BUT

a lot of scams are out there.

I'm not saying that it is impossible to make a circular shaped motor that propels itself by magnetic force alone... however... the average home needs about (min) 3.5 kilowatts. That's a lot of drag. Your perpetual motion machine had better have some good torque for that. It's tough to create that with a 25 km/h wind, and 18 ft blades... your gonna do that with a stack of perpetually moving magnets? Good luck on that one. MY bet is, if it were accomplished. It'd be worthy of more than an ebook marketing plan!


Why not consider a Bedini project. At least with a Bedini project you have a solid community of experimenters. No horribly unrealistic claims like "Running Your House" -- My thoughts are, if there was a permanent magnet motor, sold by ebook plans, that worked... as in "really worked" -- it'd be an info-storm - it'd be so widespread and making news RIGHT AND LEFT.

Worse thing that can happen with a Bedini project is you build it incorrectly and learn how to correct it so it charges batteries. Any way you look at it - it WILL do something beneficial. You don't see 500 people a day claiming they were "ripped off" by John Bedinis technology. Even if you cam to the conclusion that you didn't think it was worthwhile, the parts you've purchased are useful for hundreds of similar experiments; and another interesting aspect is, despite whether or not it harnesses free energy it does charge batteries. You might just find something "spinning around" that can be adapted into a battery charger, in addition to what it is already doing.

This is another real cool thing to build, that I personally, totally believe in. I am currently involved in building a pump using this technology:

Veljko Milkovic - Home Page - Official presentation of the researcher and inventor Veljko Milkovic

check this out:

Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- Warning of possible legal action

Most of these unrealistic claims style ebooks are basically a rip off of this project:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm

[kcarring]

If it is a SSG Bedini project you are building (like mine) you don't want to use neodymium magnets, according to Rick and John.

@GaBnn3

I stand corrected, if done carefully and ironlessly, neo's are fine. see John's new project here:

YouTube - Iron-less Monopole Motor 3

[kcarring]

After a quick web search I noticed that there is a more powerful type magnet than the ferrite type, which I can get in blocks of 2"x2"x1".

If it is a SSG Bedini project you are building (like mine) you don't want to use neodymium magnets, according to Rick and John. For various reasons, they specify that. Stick with ceramic grade. They are cheaper anyway. Best way to learn about the radiant chargers is to stick very religiously to the SSG circuit as outlined by John and Rick, learn as much as you possibly can (by not deviating) - then - afterwards get experimental. They have really simplified things to the point where you will get trained in the basic parameters, first... seeing what the circuit does, and should do, in it's most basic form, allowing you to understand the fundamentals before moving on. They have plenty of advanced projects (as do others here), for your future playground. The way I see it, is, if you can get a SSG to run at unity - or very close to it - you've really accomplished the initial goal. A person could spend an endless amount of time, money and brainspace building variation after variation that ran at 60-80% of unity, and essentially learn nothing. That's how I personally see it, anyway. I think that's Rick's point, and it makes sense, really.

[GaBnn3]

Pardon my oversight in not specifying which generator I plan to build. I bought the Magnets4Energy PMG plans. The design specifies three main elements consisting of a stator and two rotors, circular in shape, each about 1' diameter, aligned concentricly around a wheel hub assembly. The two rotors, located on each side of the stator, each with 8 magnets, rotate, while the stator, with 6 coils, is stationary. The magnets, oriented on the opposing rotor plates, so as to attract each other, rotate over the roughly 4.5 inch square coils. The design, which I suspect is old, specified Grade 3 2"x2" magnets 3/4" thick. I located 2"x2"x1" neo's which I am considering using. What will that do to the design, if anyone knows? Thanks.

[FRC]

Magnets

Check out Renaissance Charge CREDIT CARD ORDERING CENTER this might help. But if it is the smaller
SG in this thread. I think smaller magnets are usually used.

FRC

[GaBnn3]

Newbie Magnet Question?

Hi. Just asquired the plans for a Bedini generator which I am excited about. I'm reviewing the design in order to plan out the project. Plans specify Grade 3 Ferrite magnets; which dimensions translate from metric to roughly 2"x2"x3/4". After a quick web search I noticed that there is a more powerful type magnet than the ferrite type, which I can get in blocks of 2"x2"x1". One source offers Grade 8 ferrite magnets. The plans did not explain their choice of magnets. I assume that the size of the magnet relates to the size of the coils. Does the thickness matter? Would anyone care to respond with some thoughts on what magnet to use. Any info on a source would be appreciated also. I'm an electronic hobbyist, with some training, who has been an amateur radio operator for many years. I'm confident in my ability to complete this project with some guidance from the gurus. Thanks.

[Itsu]

Hi Spider,

i too am starting with this SSG stuff, see my posts in the "Bedini Schoolgirl" threat.
I also use neo's (4) although that is NOT recommended because they could be to strong and saturate your core.

I measured my triggercoil voltage when turned by hand, and it reads 0.4 V in the AC postion meaning 400mV ac.

The scope shows a RMS of 432mV, and 1.32V pp.

All offcource depends of the distance of the core and the magnets and the trigger resistance used etc., so perhaps you could give some more details on what you are using (transistor, diodes, coil dimensions, core material, batteries etc).

Also i recommend to read this document (thanks Farmhand) which has a lot of usefull info:

http://freenrg.info/Bedini/SSG_STARTERS_GUIDE-Two.pdf

Good luck, regards Itsu

[spiderkells]

Not enough current through base to turn transistor on

Hello everyone. I have just finished building my first ssg and i need a bit of help. When i place a voltmeter across the trigger coil and spin the rotor by hand, i only get .2 of a volt. I am using neodynium magnets mounted on a hard drive as a rotor. Is it possible that my magnets are two small to trigger the base ? Or am just getting the whole thing wrong. I have checked the cct over and over to see if it's wired correctly and all components are working.

I understand that this tread is fairly advanced. Even if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

[FRC]

Thankyou to all above who replied. Your posts are very helpful. Seems the more
I learn, I realize the less I really know. There is a lot more to understanding the
SSG than I thought there was to begin with.

George

[faramog]

I have used the 2N3055, TIP31c , TIP41c and now MJL21194.

2n3055 & tip31c - rubbish... blow at the drop of a hat. Never found the neon saved them
tip41c better (100v), but still not lasted long

MJL21194 - so far excellent. Much better switching and no voltage issues

Have not looked at the bedini bipolar arrangement ... is this a fast turn of npn-pnp arrangement ?... presumably for bigger spikes

[Mark]

Hello FRC

I highly recommend that you get the bipolar circuit. You will get 2 of the MJL21194 and 21193. So you can use the MJL21194 for the standard SSG set up and then when you are ready to experiment with the bipolar switch you will already have everything. I would also recomend that you purchase a couple of Hall sensors at the sametime so when your ready to use those you wont have to reorder and pay for shipping. Dont waste your money on the 3055 transistors they blow too easily, and if you only use 12 volts on your input chances are you will never blow the MJL's.

Mark

P.S. You can use the bipolar switch on any of the SSG kits, I prefer to use it on my 3-pole kit. I bread board it so I can easily change resistor values.

[Farmhand]

No probs FRC, I think the SSG bipolar kit is for a self runner conversion, a NSNS alternate pole arrangement, i might be wrong i'm not familiar with that. I think you might want to stick with the monopole setup for now. The bike wheel is good, I will try to take a short video tomorrow of some points of interest on my very rough one, I made a simple wooden frame for it, that I will modify, it's not finished yet and i've been using it for ages. But it is very functional.

Cheers.

[FRC]

Thanks for the info Faramog and Farmhand. They actually were MJL21194 with
the SSG fan kit from potentialtec. I was mixed up.

FRC