Bedini SG

[tjnlsn255]

The schematic I got from the Bedini SG forum says R2 should be 100 ohms?

Tj

[gmeast]

Here goes

Hi all,

Well I started. Actually only had #22 for my coil. So I have a non-litzed bi-filar of 570 turns. I found a schematic on the web. Was going to be solid state bedini but I think I'll go motor bedidni. Weather is going to get warm here, I'll need a fan blow the air around the office.

Greg

Here's my coil and the schematic ... suggestions welcome:

coil


schematic

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Energy from the vacuum 10 released

...Just letting everyone know part 10 has been released...

[Shamus]

Hi Greg,

#22 & #28 should be just fine for your bifilar coil. You can get away with a smaller trigger because there isn't much current/voltage generated there by the incoming magnet. A larger trigger wire can be done, but it's basically a waste of copper.

As far as bifilar being best for a first effort, yeah, I think I'd agree with that as there's less to troubleshoot. I've heard (and been meaning to try) that putting a small load (like an LED) on an extra winding can cause the current draw to go down. Actually, it would be interesting to try a neon bulb on an extra winding as well. There's much more to these simple machines than meets the eye, aye.

[gmeast]

diode

Hi Greg, thanks for the kind words. A diagram of "single diode off the power winding" is in the attachments to this post. If that doesn't work for you let me know and I'll post one here.

Shamus,

Yup ... thanks. That explains it.

Now I'm interested in getting the best effect out of my coil. It's been suggested to use many parallel wires even if I don't use some of them (more flexibility). Well I think that an unused wire translates into empty space and less cross-coupling, not good. I've been advised by several that the bi-filar is best OVER the tri-filar - one winding dedicated to charging a cap and FWB (+ 555 from the book pp46) ... for the initial effort. If I use a bi-filar then I only have #22 & #28. OK for this?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

[Shamus]

I want to compare the torque of the SG motor as I add coils and compare the torque to my window motor.....

In my opinion one of the better ways to develop torque with multiple coils on an SSG is to use an offset rotor/coil design like in the thumbnails in this post. Basically, you want to kick the rotor as many times as possible per revolution and an 8-coil/6 magnet rotor is one good way to do it. If I were to build this configuration ( maybe I should...) I would use only one trigger winding per coil pair though to ensure that the timing of the coils is right.

[Shamus]

Hi Greg, thanks for the kind words. A diagram of "single diode off the power winding" is in the attachments to this post. If that doesn't work for you let me know and I'll post one here.

[redeagle]

I wouldn't adjust them at all because it would lower the amount of energy that you can get into the coil. Just try to get them all the same length and you should be fine for an experimental machine.

Reason being that if you add resistance and reduce the input to the system you also reduce the radiant output. if you feel the need to raise the resistance you would be better off making the wire longer.

One of the replies that John Bedini posted on one of sterlings pages is that when you are just experimenting like that just to twist the wires together and fill the entire spool. He also said in other posts that having multiple small wire vs one big one lowers the overall impedance in the system. Much like is done in welding leads. Twisting them raises the inductance among the wires so that each one can induce current into the others.

Matt

[tjnlsn255]

Matching multi-coil SGs?

If I want to run a multiple coil configuration on seperate spools is it important to match the coils resistance/length so that each is the same?

Can I adjust the second, third, etc.... coils with a resistor to do the matching?

If my power/primary coil is 12 ohms is it ok to have power coil 2, 3, etc bigger?

My main coil is a bifilar with 22/20 guage wires so my other coils do not need a trigger coil so I can put a lot more 20 guage wire on the same size spool....

I want to compare the torque of the SG motor as I add coils and compare the torque to my window motor.....

Thank you for any and all help/insight......

Tj

[gmeast]

diode off of power coil

Hi Greg,

The normal SG schematic is a bifilar with a single diode off the power winding. IMO a scaled up SG circuit, ie multiple coils with multiple windings each with its own transistor, is the best way to go. Bedini himself stated that cap dumping was the first step and the SG circuit was the next.

My charger is a 20 transistor SG that has been converted to solid state simply by removing the 1N4004 diodes across the base and emitter. It draws about 4.5 amps and so far seems to be performing quite well. I am about to do some proper charge/discharge tests, but I accidentally blew 5 of the transistors the other day This is the problem with larger devices, the transistors blow a lot faster.

Cheers,

Steve

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your reply and recommendations. Can you direct me to the exact schematic showing "...single diode off the power winding" ?

Watched the video. Super neat job on your system build!

Thanks again,

Greg

[dambit]

Can you direct me to a schematic showing
'the bifilar with a single diode off the power winding'
please?

Hi Greg,

The normal SG schematic is a bifilar with a single diode off the power winding. IMO a scaled up SG circuit, ie multiple coils with multiple windings each with its own transistor, is the best way to go. Bedini himself stated that cap dumping was the first step and the SG circuit was the next.

My charger is a 20 transistor SG that has been converted to solid state simply by removing the 1N4004 diodes across the base and emitter. It draws about 4.5 amps and so far seems to be performing quite well. I am about to do some proper charge/discharge tests, but I accidentally blew 5 of the transistors the other day This is the problem with larger devices, the transistors blow a lot faster.

Cheers,

Steve

[gmeast]

?-filar

Hi Greg,

I have to agree with baratoulogos's opinion that the FEG is probably the best route to COP>1. I don't know if this is the case or not, but I intend to find out.
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Side note: If it hasn't been done already, I'm going to create an FEG machine thread.

Hi Shamus,

Thanks for the detailed reply. There is much to chew on there. Also, you said:

"The trifilar/cap dump version is probably worth looking into as well, though John Bedini has said that the bifilar with a single diode off the power winding is more advanced."

Can you direct me to a schematic showing
'the bifilar with a single diode off the power winding'
please?


I think an FEG machine thread is in order too.

Thanks again,

Greg

[Shamus]

Hi Greg,

I have to agree with baratoulogos's opinion that the FEG is probably the best route to COP>1. I don't know if this is the case or not, but I intend to find out.

As far as SSG style machines go, I've built quite a few. The first was a standard bifilar style with one coil, mainly to see if I could make this technology work.

The second was similar to the first, only I used a coil with 1000 turns on the spool and larger magnets. I did a lot of charge testing with that setup and didn't get stellar results, but that was probably due to the fact that I was using gel cell style batteries instead of flooded lead-acid style.

That machine was a stepping stone to the 4-pole monopole configuration that appeared in the second "Energy From the Vacuum" film, the one with a horizontal platter and four coils. I added three more coils with the same amount of turns, all bifilar, with separate SG circuits all the way around. Once I lowered the resistance on the triggers the charging was much better for that machine. I could probably push them even lower and get better charging. Of note is that the 4-pole version has pretty good torque; it's the only one of my machine replicas that only requires a tiny nudge to the rotor to get it going.

After that, I built a quintfilar machine, which is basically 1/6 of the machine seen here. It's the same principle as the bifilar, only instead of one transistor there's four. The rotor on that one currently isn't balanced and the sucker gets up to around 1700 RPM, so I'm a little reluctant to leave it running for any length of time. It seems to charge decently well; at the base resistance I have it set at now it only consumes around 1/2 an amp. Could probably turn the resistance down on that one as well.

The last one I built is the solid state version from the FEG book. I wanted to see how well the trifilar design would work compared to the usual bifilar setup and it seems to do OK, but I probably need to build a bigger one to see really good charging with that circuit. From what I understand about it, the capacitor on the 3rd winding converts the radiant (negative) energy to positive energy, so that may also play into why I haven't seen very good results with it (all my batteries are SG charged).

So, all that just to say that I've had very good luck using the bifilar style although I think you would probably do better with 4 or more transistors/power windings on a single coil. The trifilar/cap dump version is probably worth looking into as well, though John Bedini has said that the bifilar with a single diode off the power winding is more advanced.

Perhaps someone who has logged some hours with the cap dump version can chime in here with their experience.

Side note: If it hasn't been done already, I'm going to create an FEG machine thread.

[gmeast]

SG circuit

yOU COULD NOT have put it better Greg. Most of us here we seek production of free energy, and secondly to play around with magnets and coisl

If OU consistenly is achieved, then we could just move on. My view is that Bedini's free energy generator (1984 publication) is an OU machine with the potential at creating significant amounts of energy (no mili watts etc)

I think someone that is after OU should spend resources and time on Bedini FEG principle.

Regards,
Baroutologos

Thanks Baroutologos for your comment,

Maybe we should start a Bedini FEG thread and get things going there.

Now, I have been preparing to build either the Solid State Charger or the SSG Motor but some of the on-line schematics show a bi-filar coil for both versions but the 'Circuits and Schematics' book shows a tri-filar coil.

What is being replicated with the most success ... bi-filar or tri-filar?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

[baroutologos]

Aren't we there yet? I know I'm going to keep trying. It would be nice, however, to have some 'hard' setup guidelines so that everyone is making the same working device, working the same way, operating at a COP>1 ... no questionable variants of the original. We need to have THE DEVICE duplicated 'a thousand' times over. THAT will make the dream come true in my opinion.
Greg

yOU COULD NOT have put it better Greg. Most of us here we seek production of free energy, and secondly to play around with magnets and coisl

If OU consistenly is achieved, then we could just move on. My view is that Bedini's free energy generator (1984 publication) is an OU machine with the potential at creating significant amounts of energy (no mili watts etc)

I think someone that is after OU should spend resources and time on Bedini FEG principle.

Regards,
Baroutologos