Bedini SG

[Inquorate]

Bifiliar drive coil for bedini wheel?

can anyone suggest for my drive coil wether I should make it trifilar, two wires for power and one for pickup, OR just Bifilar?

It,s and I have two types of wire, one thin and one thicker. 0.3mm and 0.6mm.

[Joit]

It literally means just stick 5 diodes there in parellel

as is shown in this drawing (Notice D2)

http://www.fight-4-truth.com/JB-Circuit.jpg

I am not sure how necessary it is though... In a way it even seems counter intuitive since the initial spike will be higher with 5 diodes in series because (I think Aaron has mentioned this in the past) the D2 diode is similar to a compression valve which allows the voltage to build up during the time it takes for the diode to react...

Absolute correct Seph And it is the same Explanation what i did get for me.

Just to bad, that so less do know about it.
That was the big -Ooh- for me the past Day, i did connect 5 parallel and then the Charge, and it did charge up like hell.
I found similar at this Pic.
http://www.fight-4-truth.com/SSG.jpg
It has once to do with the low reaction Time from the Diodes, and i think, still some Electrons stick at some Diodes, what cant go back.
Seems the Spikes are very fast,
and maybe something with close the Circuit again over a Resistance and loop it.
So , really, Put 5 Diodes or more in parallel before the Charge, and there you got your OU.

I have to go soon to the Store and get me a Ton of Diodes

[Sephiroth]

@sucahyo I did not see a limitation of the spikes at the Scope.

@Patmac What does it mean, its your Concept.
Did they update the Circuit, since you told it them, because its 'Your Concept'?
But no change at Voltage there, what i can see.


Not the right Answer anyhow

Actually i did only ask, what it means.
Connect 5 Charges there or more in parallel or serial or what.

It literally means just stick 5 diodes there in parellel

as is shown in this drawing (Notice D2)

http://www.fight-4-truth.com/JB-Circuit.jpg

I am not sure how necessary it is though... In a way it even seems counter intuitive since the initial spike will be higher with 5 diodes in series because (I think Aaron has mentioned this in the past) the D2 diode is similar to a compression valve which allows the voltage to build up during the time it takes for the diode to react...

[Joit]

Hi Erkan,
Your Fan looks great, did you wind it bifilar inside?
I did not see that, that a Fan selfstart at a Bedini circuit.
Either, you did a good Job, or something wrong, or only advertising for this Shop.
This Values about the Amps, seems, cant be right too.



So, anyone up to now, to answer what it means, 5 Diodes parallel or more, and the Reason for?

I really did not see that been mentioned anywhere before.

[ERKAN]

Bedini Fan

I just made Bedini Fan with 7.9" fan that I bought at MPJA - Power Supply, Power Supplies, Security Cameras, LCD, Fans, Etc.. This one is six pole so I had lots of problems to get it to work. First I used #23 but nothing happened. After that I used #30 wire and after a week of tweaking it now it works. Here is you tube link YouTube - Bedini Fan 6 pole 8"
Thanks,
Erkan

[Joit]

@sucahyo I did not see a limitation of the spikes at the Scope.

@Patmac What does it mean, its your Concept.
Did they update the Circuit, since you told it them, because its 'Your Concept'?
But no change at Voltage there, what i can see.


Not the right Answer anyhow

Actually i did only ask, what it means.
Connect 5 Charges there or more in parallel or serial or what.

[patmac]

Joit, this is my concept about parallel diodes.

Look, a silice diode common, show a voltage drop about 0.6 volts, this mean that if you put many diodes in parallel you can reduces this voltage drop, for example two diodes can show about 0.3 volts.

Regards.

PATMAC

[sucahyo]

Does actually someone know what 1N4007 parallel 5 or more means at this Circuit?
Maybe some do, but most, i bet not.

Maybe to increase amp ? Since diode will limit spike on any direction.

[Joit]

Does actually someone know what 1N4007 parallel 5 or more means at this Circuit?
Maybe some do, but most, i bet not.

[Joit]

Wow..
I played a bit around with the Setup,
Connected a 2200µF Cap before the Pot over a Diode,
connected these to + of Source, and - to Emitter.
So, when i connect the Source, let the motor speed up, disconnect it from Source
and turn the Pot lower when Rpm goes down, the Motor still speed up for a short Moment, when the Resistance at the Pot is lower...

[Joit]

It means usual, that there left to much Energie at the System.
Maybe you connect beside a 220AC Motor into the System
Seriously, maybe set an other Resistor up at the Minus,
The Summs of an Circuit allways have to be Zero.

Last time i played with some Coils, where one had 16Ohms and the other 80ohms,
either the Powersupply goes hot at to less Resistance at the Pot,
or my Trigger Coil at to much resistance
Just looks like, you got not enough runoff for the Energie.

[Sephiroth]

yikes everything was getting really hot and I mean everything including the rotor!!! It wasn't drawing that much compared to normal operation (it normally runs cold) but it's incredible that even the rotor was getting hot!

oh well, fun while it lasted...

[Sephiroth]

Just a bit of fun

I was curious if it was possible to store the flyback from a single pulse in a capacitor and then discharge the capacitor before the next pulse came in, so the cap pulses at the same frequency as the coils...



I can with a neon triggered scr with 2uf caps! The caps charge up to about 90v and then they discharge into the battery before the next pulse comes in.




I'm not expecting a great charge with this method. Just a bit of fun!

[theremart]

Interesting

Ok so I thought I would investigate this one to one transformer SSG Bedini motor of mine.

Got my scope 2 channels and hooked up one end to the trigger side of the coil and the other channel to the energized coil side. Low and behold the voltages were in phase and almost exactly equal. When I say almost I really mean exactly equal, except for that one coil produced a slightly larger peek (slightly like maybe .2 volts) and the peek very quickly died down and H waves were identical.

So when we talk about what is happening on the trigger side of the circuit it really does affect the energized side of the coil. And that resistor is on the trigger side.

My guess is that if one was to put a diode in front of the resistor in the same orientation so that current can normally trigger into the base of the transistor, then when the field magnetic field collapses there will be a larger voltage spike... But Doing this is really hard on the transistor and it will Blow. To go around this I am thinking of the opto coupler or adding one diode and another resistor.

With adding one diode and another resistor, one could have one resistor value to control the Base of the Transistor (here you would put a diode in front of the resistor or variable pot in the orientation that the current can flow into the transistor base)... Then add a diode in series with a new resistor or variable pot in parallel to the other diode and resistor ... I will try to upload a Bit map or jpg.

What do you guys think? Does this make sense?

Interesting...


Makes me wonder if one could take a transformer coil and pulse it with solid state, trying different legs of the transformer...

I have a transformer that has different coils on it might make for an interesting experiment.

[BinzerBob]

One to One Transformer action of the SSG Bedini Motor

Ok so I thought I would investigate this one to one transformer SSG Bedini motor of mine.

Got my scope 2 channels and hooked up one end to the trigger side of the coil and the other channel to the energized coil side. Low and behold the voltages were in phase and almost exactly equal. When I say almost I really mean exactly equal, except for that one coil produced a slightly larger peek (slightly like maybe .2 volts) and the peek very quickly died down and H waves were identical.

So when we talk about what is happening on the trigger side of the circuit it really does affect the energized side of the coil. And that resistor is on the trigger side.

My guess is that if one was to put a diode in front of the resistor in the same orientation so that current can normally trigger into the base of the transistor, then when the field magnetic field collapses there will be a larger voltage spike... But Doing this is really hard on the transistor and it will Blow. To go around this I am thinking of the opto coupler or adding one diode and another resistor.

With adding one diode and another resistor, one could have one resistor value to control the Base of the Transistor (here you would put a diode in front of the resistor or variable pot in the orientation that the current can flow into the transistor base)... Then add a diode in series with a new resistor or variable pot in parallel to the other diode and resistor ... I will try to upload a Bit map or jpg.

What do you guys think? Does this make sense?