Bedini SG

[uusedman]

@dambit. Thanks for that. How about if I'm using a 3055 npn trany. I'm planing to switch to the mj 21194 once I get the major points down. Another question at you, my coil is getting hot should I increase the resistance? Thanks
@dambit
T

[dambit]

@dambit. Thanks for that. How about if I'm using a 3055 npn trany. I'm planing to switch to the mj 21194 once I get the major points down. Another question at you, my coil is getting hot should I increase the resistance? Thanks
@dambit
T

How hot is the coil getting? If it's only getting up to 50 or 60C then it's not a problem. The coil(s) will get a bit hot after a while anyway from the continuous switching, but if you are worried about it you can increase the trigger resistance a little bit.

As far as the 3055 trany goes, I can't remember what my setting were. I only used three of them as they tended to burn up pretty quick. Not quite as tough as the MJL21194's. One method I used to help tune my smaller devices before I got a scope was to get a smallish 400V cap that could be charged in a few seconds. I would charge it up and while doing this measure how high I could charge it. You will notice that as you adjust the pot you can measure the approximate voltage of the spikes using the cap. I found that if I adjusted the pot for the highest voltage and then backed off just a little, the device performed great and had a good balance between speed, input current and charging rate.

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Steve

[baroutologos]

Hi Dambit,

Back to the elementaries huh? Man.. tuning the SSG was a difficult task for me. At first i aimed for the highest rpm could give. (Note if current too much rpm downs).
Later i went on maintaining most of rpms while input was lowest. Then, quite empirically, i "balance input with charging rate on my batts.
Lastly (i have not tested thoroughly) i run the SSG and put an 1ohm resistance in the charging side.
I tune it so as to get the highest volt difference in that resistor (some 0,83volts). Lowering input results in dropped voltage across resistor while raising input above some point lowers again voltage across resistor.

Currently my SSG, has a coil of 100m with 5#22AWG & 1 24AWG all twisted.
It takes some 0,65 Amps input with the latest method of tuning at 15 volts.

I have been running it with 20 & 40volts. in efficiency terms bytheway, i have found that the lowest input voltage give better COPs.
Anyway, with persistant measurements & condiioning my COPS never go above 50%.

Question: I know the SSG desulfates etc etc. But can restore health of useless battery to be employed again in a traditional manner?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[Hoppy]

Hi Dambit,

Back to the elementaries huh? Man.. tuning the SSG was a difficult task for me. At first i aimed for the highest rpm could give. (Note if current too much rpm downs).
Later i went on maintaining most of rpms while input was lowest. Then, quite empirically, i "balance input with charging rate on my batts.
Lastly (i have not tested thoroughly) i run the SSG and put an 1ohm resistance in the charging side.
I tune it so as to get the highest volt difference in that resistor (some 0,83volts). Lowering input results in dropped voltage across resistor while raising input above some point lowers again voltage across resistor.

Currently my SSG, has a coil of 100m with 5#22AWG & 1 24AWG all twisted.
It takes some 0,65 Amps input with the latest method of tuning at 15 volts.

I have been running it with 20 & 40volts. in efficiency terms bytheway, i have found that the lowest input voltage give better COPs.
Anyway, with persistant measurements & condiioning my COPS never go above 50%.

Question: I know the SSG desulfates etc etc. But can restore health of useless battery to be employed again in a traditional manner?

Regards,
Baroutologos

Hi Baroutologos

Your COP figure of 0.5 is in line with mine. I have got up as high as 0.6 with the SG monopole motor. The problem is people use different methods and procedures for calculating COP and this is why some claim overunity.

I have recovered many batteries that cannot be charged with a conventional DC charger but only those that do not have damaged plates / shorted cells and are not too badly sulfated.

Hoppy

[baroutologos]

I do not even think at obtaining OU in the SSG setup!
I like it, the way it spins, its simplicity and unconventional charging. No to mentioned the silent wall spinning decor in my livingroom!

By the way, I am interested in reclaiming old batteries, since a friend of mine, mechanic in profession, works in a shop that has heaps of dead batteries. I talked to him and said If i could reclaim some of them.... its business!!

Regards,
Baroutologos

[baroutologos]

By the way, i think my low cop can be attributed to poor core material.
I used, painted, welding electrodes some 2,2 mm diam. They retain some magnetism ( i checked it with a compass) after magnetetic field goes away.

I plan someday to replace my coil with extra high quality, high frequency audio core laminated one.

I also believe, COP can be raised further if you pulse-charge a 1-3 farads audio capacitor at low voltage range (lowest possible impedance). Say from 13-15 volts and mechanical dumping it to the charging batt. - I will try it also a day -.

But OU? Still a dream.
Can anyone suggest an noob-proof method for tuning the SSG?

Regards,
Baroutologos

[tjnlsn255]

From what I read and what I do is to put my multi meter on amps and put it is series with the source battery and adjust the pot until you get the lowest amp draw.... listen to the sound of the motor as it spins and as you adjust the pot... after a few times you can tell from the sound....

Does that help?

Have fun......

Todd

[patmac]

baroutologos

I've tried get ou charging a 1.5 farads audio car capacitor with SG system, and mathematically I got ou about COP 1.4 aprox, but there is a big problem, the capacitor seems loose the energy, when you tried to measure the energy of the capacitor discharging it in cotrolled way (ex: puttting a resistor), there is no that quantity of energy stored is strange then my point is :

1) Capacitor is 1.5 Farads really?, packages says 1.5 Farads.

2) Really is 1.5 Farads but a fraction of energy is loosed on charging and another fraction is loosed on discharging.


when you measured the energy stored on the cap COP is <0.8. I've tried to charger the cap using a ramp generator like Bearden recommends then mathematically I've reached COP 2 calculating the cap <20% max error on electrolytics caps then cap is 1.5 - 20% = 1.2 Farads. But again, there is no OU when you discharge the cap is incredible, you need to lauigh to cry when you believe to have a OU system on your bench but we need to be realist OU must to be presented using all the techniques avaibles.

If you know a way effective to measure the real size of my capacitor I've my ears open to ideas.

Regards.

[baroutologos]

I am in no possition to tell a capacitor's capacitance better than manufacturer Patmac!
By the way, capacitors inherently lose energy during charge and discharge cycle. (batteries also)
I have not tried yet, but at first you can forget the resistor directly on cap output and use a charge battery. This way we can calculate COP in the long run.

I have read, so theorizing a part, that caps discharged via a inductor help at lowering losses. So, pulse charge a bat via an say 2.5 mH inductor of 0.3 ohms is not bad idea. I think. i do not know. How knows anyway...

if i make that experiement i will let anyone know.

Regards,
Baroutologos

[uusedman]

@ everyone

since we talking about capcitor in relations to OU machines. Something I never understood is using a 200V 1mf or 2mf, as opposed using a 200V 10,000 mf ? These large capacitors are used in EV gray machines, Newman machines, and Bedini machines.

In summary, why use a 200V 1 mf when you can use a 200V 10,000mf?

Thanks in advance

[baroutologos]

@usedman

I think Mr Bedini somehow has explained that. I understood that small capacitors store energy at higher oscillation frequencies (?) more efficient than large ones. Or in other words, they capture better the spikes. In any case they are series connected with the llarge capacitors for dumping their charge and keeping their voltage levels down.

Regards,
baroutologos

[uusedman]

@dambit and tjnlsn255

I got my master and double slave circuit to work. That baby was flying. Total draw from both transistors was apx .30 when at max. I had to keep the resistance high because when i shorted one of the resistors from the base to trigger coil (680 resistor) the motor would get heavy and eventually stall. Maybe if I use a little more resistance the motor would work better.


Any explanation why it would such a thing?


I am using neodymium magnet, and I believe I read from Bedini's notes that such magnet keep the coil saturates after trigger coil has activated the power coil.

Can this a negative effect on the motor?

[morpher44]

Simple School Girls

You know... SSG is a highly offensive name which might offend the simple school girl community.
I've tried to make the Bedini and for me its not that simple.
Especially the mechanical bits.
What a brilliant circuit though. So usable in many different ways.
If you haven't made one, time to go try.
I've charged every battery type with it...
During the nite and at strange times during the day, occasionally I would
hear a mysterious POP emanating from the room where I keep batteries.
Overcharged Alkaline batteres, while disconnected from the bedini
and just sitting there, can suddenly POP open due to the GAS
that has no place to go expanding due to temperature changes, etc.

It is absolutely clear that the battery industry INTENTIONALLY designed
these guys to "self destruct" so that you have to buy a new one.
Designed obsolescence.

Don't waste your hard earned money on any battery that is NOT rechargeable. It only rewards the "bad behavior" of designed obsolescence.

[JohnnBlade]

You know... SSG is a highly offensive name which might offend the simple school girl community.
I've tried to make the Bedini and for me its not that simple.
Especially the mechanical bits.
What a brilliant circuit though. So usable in many different ways.
If you haven't made one, time to go try.
I've charged every battery type with it...
During the nite and at strange times during the day, occasionally I would
hear a mysterious POP emanating from the room where I keep batteries.
Overcharged Alkaline batteres, while disconnected from the bedini
and just sitting there, can suddenly POP open due to the GAS
that has no place to go expanding due to temperature changes, etc.

It is absolutely clear that the battery industry INTENTIONALLY designed
these guys to "self destruct" so that you have to buy a new one.
Designed obsolescence.

Don't waste your hard earned money on any battery that is NOT rechargeable. It only rewards the "bad behavior" of designed obsolescence.

u hot charging or a standalone battery ?

u can charge the same battery that runs yr motor while not hooking up any meters, then it will be pulse charged, when using Bedini

[uusedman]

A question and I have a video of the experiment.

After thinking of the Bedini circuit operation and it is singular pulse potenial, I thought Why not use the opposite pole since the magnetic potential has been created???

When you pulse an inductor dual polarities are established. We tend to use the NORTH pole to North facing magnets. Why not utilize the SOUTH pole to South facing magnets? Why not utilize them both?

From What I witnessed, the amount of increase of AMP's is minuet to about 5-10 MillAMPS.

This is a simple video:

YouTube - Bedini Motor 3-1

awaiting your feedback.