Bedini SG

[stonewater]

The properly running SG

what is the all important criteria for ssg?
what is the one thing that charges batteries?

i joined the monopole group 3, and they say that "mine is a non standard build" and so they cannot help or support, ie tune it, or maintain the tuning, coz it seems to vary.

one day it is charging to 17.10 volt and today it is not going over 12.77 volts. every thing is the same, did not make any changes. {later on i did}

so again. what is the all important thing?

i watched imhotep's video, {here "http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2003-free-energy-last-step-step-must-see.html#post19462"} and his is a non standard build doing fine,

so from what i understand, it is the collapsing magnetic field, that induces a voltage or spike it the winding, [that is natural] that is tapped and directed towards the battery.

if all this is happening correctly, why is the battery not getting charged? {not a sulfated one but a good one that is being charged correctly with a 3 stage microprocessor controlled charger}, even after charging conventionally to 14.4 volts, when it is connected to ssg, the voltage drops slowly to 12.77. why?

it is not the wheel material - see imhotep [it is a fan]
it is not the magnets - see imhotep [it is not all north]
it is not the size of the magnets - see imhotep
it is not the shape of the magnets - see imhotep [it is round]
it is not the strength of the magnets - see imhotep
it is not the free spin time - see imhotep [quite less]
it is not the gauge of wire - see imhotep [#30 or something]
it is not the number of turns - see imhotep [maybe 100 turns]
it is not the use of non magnetic material because 2N3055 is iron! the case is.
it is also not the resistance of the wire - see imhotep [40 ohms]
it is not the components also, because i changed my transistor to BC547. and the diode to IN4148, ie the base diode, and the hard disk platter spins consuming only 56mA. [ reaching the same rpm as before in a much shorter time!] before is was between 150 - 200 mA, disconnecting charging battery also does not blow the transistor, bcoz the neon is not connected. allowing it to self oscillate also does not heat the transistor, the way i see it , there is no need to use a 15 amp transistor to switch 200 milliamperes of current!

OK so i have reached the criteria of the lowest current consumption {56mA} for a bifiler, 850 turns, swg 23 and 26. battery still does not remain at the float voltage with my non standard build, i can even go as far as saying that if i connected an oscilloscope, it would show the exact same wave, that the so called standard builds achieve!!

one more thing to ponder here, if this is a current-less voltage charging batteries, then, why do you need trifilar, quadfilar or 10 coils? why else but to multiply current!
200mA x 10 coils is 2 amps, the exact amount required to charge 100ah batteries, in 12-24 hrs.

somebody shed some light here, everybody Input, i/ we need input!! somebody put your finger on the dot!

finally a note to all those who are about to build ssg. the most non standard build is right here in the link above, just get your wheel spinning, nothing else matters, and come back here to see if anybody is taking us to a new level.

sorry for rambling on. i just had to get things off and make people think why, instead of just following instructions,

Why do you think John designed it a certain way? do us all a favor and build a bike wheel, with a 2n3055 or a mjl 21194 and a 1n4001 and 1n4007 diode, with 100 ohms plus a 1k pot for the trigger. and the neon, its on every one of Johns SG circuits, no its not enough just to get your wheel spinning, we are not using current to charge the battery, its something else.

it is the magnets all north out thats why its a monopole if you go north south you only get half the switching, its NOT a generator.
it IS the strength of the magnets they are what switch the core which turns off and on the transistor.
the SG built properly produces 200 to 300 volt pulses the neon triggers at 90 volts, if your not blowing transistors without a neon in the circuit you have a lousy circuit, your coil is not switching rapidly producing the transient. you should easily be over 200 volts with a standard Bedini SG. that is why its a lousy charger, but a good proof of concept.

you want to use imhotep build it exactly as he has...... otherwise build it like the inventor says you will be much happier, as opposed to doing this

[sudhirpaul]

my circuit easily charges 42 volt condensers to 112 volts (how? i have no idea!) in fraction of seconds, ie i can easily get 2 discharges in 1 sec, (u lift the battery connection, and 112 volts there, it does not rise slowly to that voltage. smack 112 volts, discharge and again smack 112 volts) go figure. i do not want to go that way. I am not looking for a way to charge condensers.

you are missing the point in the question

try to charge a 100 ah battery in 24 hrs using ssg bifiler ( consuming 56 mA ) and i'll be impressed. bowled over.

can you produce 1000 watts of music power from car batteries? technically NO!!, but not until you boost the supply using a switch moded power supply (which is already built into a power amp that sits in the boot /trunk) and lowering the impedance of the voice coil, to 2 ohms or less. and bridging. (if you know what i am talking about). can you charge 100 ah batteries with 56 mA (or 200 mA, ie the standard ssg) within 24 hrs? this is basically THE question. I want to hear somebody say YES it can be done!

from what i read, you need to put in 120 ah to recharge a 100 ah battery to get 100%. at 56 mA? somebody do the math. don't get me wrong here, i'm all for this technology. trying to understand the nitty gritty details.

the way the voltage rises without the battery getting hot, and the cold bubbling, is what makes me continue this project. and the higher voltage at which the battery rests, ie 13.6 volts something.

God exists and I don't need proof for that, everything else is questionable.

just my point of view, no offense to anybody.

[sudhirpaul]

@ stonewater
I did not leave the neon out on purpose, it became black and broke! and i did not bother to replace it.

[stonewater]

condensers are not flooded lead acid batteries, dont know what farad your condensers are. I can charge condensers (we call them capacitors here in the states) to stupendous voltages, the SG will blow them up fast!! they dont have capacity. yes I understand switch mode power supplies. I will ask the question again, what is charging the batteries? its NOT current in a bedini system. not not not. read up on dipoles, read up on resonance. the Sg produces a resonant state in the battery because of the spike, the battery charges itself. the coil is the dipole pump, it must be matched to the battery and its internal impedance, so the ions ring.

Read Johns book free energy generation circuits and schematics. you can get it fron cheniere.org. tom beardons book the final secret of free energy is the physics behind it. also available there.

[sudhirpaul]

building a mini radiant energy charger

I am thinking of building a radiant energy charger, around a hard disk platter, or around a Cd, [I've seen them shatter at a high rpm, just an option I'm thinking about]. 10 or 8 coil, using thin wire. approx #30 and above, and see where this leads.

i think i have the materials for that, I'll be recycling old relays. 24 volt kind, they may be having more than 800 turns in them. I'll just need to add another winding. this is totally non standard, and i don't want ssg lovers whining about it.

I keep hearing "current-less", and I am going to test this and see whether radiant charging lives up to it. Going to go small scale, might even think of using SMD components, but for the sake of others who might want to try this out I'll try to make it with the most commonly available parts.

No fancy construction here, bare basics.

if any body is interested, I'll post the results.

I'm not here to debunk procedure, just going a different way.

any and all suggestions are welcome, if somebody has been there and done that, I'm all ears.

I'm working on a way to post good quality picture, but small size, [dial-up connection] does somebody know the optimal size and quality?

I'll keep posting results. [Should I start a new thread?]

[sudhirpaul]

@ zeropoint
What is your setup? How are the batteries turning out?

I have 80 ah and 100 ah, both 12 volts, one is badly sulfated and another is weak in one cell. 80 ah is connected to the radiant charger since yesterday, the voltage has risen from 10.00 to 10.59 volts during the time, but there is no change is the white stuff, coating the cells. All the cells are showing above 1 volt, so there is no shorted cell. how can i boost the process /speed up the process?

[mbrownn]

my circuit easily charges 42 volt condensers to 112 volts (how? i have no idea!) in fraction of seconds, ie i can easily get 2 discharges in 1 sec, (u lift the battery connection, and 112 volts there, it does not rise slowly to that voltage. smack 112 volts, discharge and again smack 112 volts) go figure. i do not want to go that way. I am not looking for a way to charge condensers.

you are missing the point in the question

try to charge a 100 ah battery in 24 hrs using ssg bifiler ( consuming 56 mA ) and i'll be impressed. bowled over.

can you produce 1000 watts of music power from car batteries? technically NO!!, but not until you boost the supply using a switch moded power supply (which is already built into a power amp that sits in the boot /trunk) and lowering the impedance of the voice coil, to 2 ohms or less. and bridging. (if you know what i am talking about). can you charge 100 ah batteries with 56 mA (or 200 mA, ie the standard ssg) within 24 hrs? this is basically THE question. I want to hear somebody say YES it can be done!

from what i read, you need to put in 120 ah to recharge a 100 ah battery to get 100%. at 56 mA? somebody do the math. don't get me wrong here, i'm all for this technology. trying to understand the nitty gritty details.

the way the voltage rises without the battery getting hot, and the cold bubbling, is what makes me continue this project. and the higher voltage at which the battery rests, ie 13.6 volts something.

God exists and I don't need proof for that, everything else is questionable.

just my point of view, no offense to anybody.

In my experience you wont charge a 100Ah battery in 24 hours with 56mA input to the SG, no where near, not unless it was only discharged around 1%.

A normal charger at 5A will charge a 100Ah battery from flat in around 30 hours. A bedini SSG with a 5A input will do it in around 20 hours or possibly a little less if the battery is conditioned.

On the output of a Bedini there is little or no current output, just as stonewater says, current is not charging the battery. The coil is the dipole and when the dipole discharges to the battery, the battery becomes the dipole too allowing energy to rush in.

When the impedance of the battery and the coil are matched ie the same, is it possibe to get significantly more charging. None of my circuits have been that well matched so I get a near 1 to 1 charge and no better.

As the impedance of the battery changes as it charges we must change the impedance of the coils. The Bedini can do this by itself to some extent but normally we must make small adjustments to keep in in the sweet spot.

I don't agree that the Bedini is a lousy charger, even when it is not well matched, it is 90+% efficient at charging. Standard charging is 70 to 80% efficient so a Bedini is a very good charger.

It must be said that most of my work has been on a SSG or Bifilar Bedini circuit so there is little chance of me getting an over unity of charge when compared to input. With my tests on a triflar circuit (an SG without a cap pulser) I did get an apparent over unity of charge but only when the battery was discharged on resistive loads and not on the Bedini itself. Having said that, after a number of cycles the battery almost crystallized the acid overnight and it died. As I didn't document the results I cannot prove any of this, sorry.

An SSG or Imhotep fan is an excellent charger and learning device. The SG, when built and used exactly as Bedini says can offer more, I believe, but as I said I did not build mine exactly as Bedini said.

Hope this helps you understand what is going on.

I have blown many neons like you describe and a few transistors

[stonewater]

my 3 pole monopole from R charge charges small 5 to 20 AH batteries great. the coils are just barely big enough for the 20 ah batts. you need bigger coils for bigger batteries. coils need to have enough size to ring the battery. it is a matter of matching the coil size to the impedance. my 9 filar single coil does car batteries well. some heavily sulphated batteries need 30 cycles or more.

[Mark]

Anyone who has a classic 3-pole energizer sold on Ricks web sight and wants to try something different take a look at what I posted here. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post150486

[ZeropointEnergy]

Bedini SSG's

@ zeropoint
What is your setup? How are the batteries turning out?

I have 80 ah and 100 ah, both 12 volts, one is badly sulfated and another is weak in one cell. 80 ah is connected to the radiant charger since yesterday, the voltage has risen from 10.00 to 10.59 volts during the time, but there is no change is the white stuff, coating the cells. All the cells are showing above 1 volt, so there is no shorted cell. how can i boost the process /speed up the process?

Hey,

The desulfating is a slow process and when my 4 coiler is finished it will
start to hurry than up with 2-5A input, only time will tell

I agree with stone and not because I'm a member of BM3 , I still achieve
great results with my skateboard wheel or the 26 inch bike wheel.
However, the smaller rotor is harder to factor in the air gap, number of
turns, dimensions of the coil and what speed the SSG will sustain rpm.
Compared to the bike wheel that I spun first go at "20mm" air gap and
worked to BM3 spec.
I still need to spend the a few hrs with the tuning to obtain greater efficiency
and then will surpass my smaller SSG, untill I add the trifilar coil to smaller
model (then will draw 750mA or more, not 60-120mA like bikewheel.)

Please don't think I'm telling you what to build, but after I built "my spec"
SSG I wanted to build as Bedini suggested and thus I hope to see the true
ability of the SSG now, albeit much slow than the 210mA at 3550 rpm
I can obtain with 1st build.

I'll add a pic of them duel charging 14.4V sulfated drill batteries and you can
see ch 2 is the much faster pulsing radiant spikes although at a shorter
pulse rate than a large rotor

Would add more pics but need to delete/resize other uploads .

Regards
Zero

[sudhirpaul]

changed my mind

Sorry about that.

I have been reading around too, and realized that it is not possible to charge batteries with low current. . So small coil and mini radiant charger is out. .

It is also known that the high voltage spike, before the "h" or maybe the h wave of short duration actually has over 200 amps of current in it. (depending on the gauge of wire used) for a extremely short duration. they have a formula to calculate how much current there is and i think it checks out. [if somebody wants the link i can put it in].

For the source battery to be depleted, means that current is being consumed, and lots of it! that is why you need the thick wires and heavy gauge and 2N3055. and thick wires to connect to the battery. . To Transfer The Current!

It is in making a battery behave like a capacitor, [at resonance it does], you can get the most current into it.. You can dump current into it because it is least resistant at that moment to it and so no heat is produced in the process. This is what my browsing around led me to conclude. Water HAS to be converted to sulphuric acid. [this is undisputed battery theory and current is the only way to do it].

So more than spinning the wheel you need to get your battery to resonate before you can start dumping current!

Is my rambling making any sense? It does to me.

Now i am going to put my new found knowledge to use and see how I can charge my 100 ah and 80 ah batteries in the shortest time possible. That is all I am interested in.

One thing i cannot make up my mind on is whether to go solid state or the ssg way.

Can I go solid state and still be posting here!?

[mbrownn]

To get the best life and most capacity you need a C20 charge discharge rate Ie 20 hours to charge and 20 hours to discharge. Much faster than this can lead to plate damage. I know that's boring but it gives the best results.

[sudhirpaul]

To get the best life and most capacity you need a C20 charge discharge rate Ie 20 hours to charge and 20 hours to discharge. Much faster than this can lead to plate damage. I know that's boring but it gives the best results.

thanks had overlooked that

i'm a patient man but this is making me go to sleep!!

[Ahmad]

pc fan battery charger

Hi everyone !
I am new to this forum and to zero-point-energy as well.
Now I am trying to replicate the circuit of a battery charger using a computer fan,such videos are on youtube , now I am confused in the winding directions and their connections please someone help me !

[mbrownn]

This should help
Imhotep's Lab Interactive FAQ - View topic - Schematics correction