Bedini SG

[Chip Shorter]

Something I'm working on is employing copper for shaping of the magnetic field by means of a piece of copper between the core and the passing magnet(s). The goal is to produce a faster window to the magnet thus a sharper gradient. Also if two wheels are employed as mentioned earlier in the thread the events can be timed and complimentary. Also considering a shottkey type circuit to minimize current.

[Aaron]

Earth Rod thread started

I started an Earth Rods thread, posted details and a link to a 1 minute video here: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...arth-rods.html

For any Earth Rod discussions for applications on the SG, etc... please post in that new thread.

[peper10]

You got the jackpot!!!

since we are comparing desing ideas I had here is what I had in mid for a double rotor... [ATTACH]386[/ATTACH]



I found that alot of energy can be captured with a window coil placed behind the coils as well so I thought I might place recovery coils on the outside of the rotors...

definatly will be my next build when I have the time and cash! lol

just saw your vid aaron! looks really interesting! I will try that tonight! will let you know the results!

The only thing with this setup,you gotta have to redone the one you have.
I just want to say you're actual setup is pretty nice and i don't want to
feel sad if you dismantle it.

I was just telling you that you'r setup bring me the idea of using it as it is
and make some improuvements with it..
And i thank you for it.

Always glad to talk to you.
peper10

[wizzle]

I have always thought neos work fine as long as the gap is wide enough.

It's all in the gap.
20inch rotor with 12 neos, 50 x 20 x 12mm. Draws 175Ma @ 12 volts 455 RPM.

I used a scope to set the coils gap. Interesting thing is that the 3 slaves have 32 mm gap while the master has 41 mm gap.
Just got it running last night so haven't had time to do much testing/tinkering.
Did drive it with 36 volts & got 600+ RPM at 300 Ma draw.

One thing that I found a bit odd, is that it will spin clockwise twice as fast as it will counter clockwise.

On another note, has anyone noticed that almost all of Mr. Bedini's energizers use aluminum rotors with the magnets inset into the rotor?
Could this be because the aluminum will alter the magnetic field?
Just a thought.

Thanks!
Rod

4Coil_Neo1.jpg

[elias]

Impulse Power

hi everyone,

the higher your current draw, the less radiant you will be harvesting.

Hi everyone,

I think that John thought at first that pure radiant would charge the battery, but later on found out that a combination of both is required to charge the battery, and for each type of battery there must be an optimum point of current/aether ratio, no? When I adjust my pot, (increase it) to make my rotor turn faster with less torque, the battery seems to be charging slower. I personally think that actually the current charges the battery and the aether(High Potential Impulse) adds to it, and the aether cannot charge the battery by itself, because it cannot move the Heavy Ions! The main trick in Bedini's systems to use the inertia of the ions by impulsing a battery, (Like a child's swing for example).

BTW, It was in my mind thinking what is the Aether we are talking about here which is charging batteries? Aether is the essence of everything I suppose, which causes the Inertia and Gravity also, no? So in my opinion Charging batteries with impulses is no different than hitting a nail with a hammer into the wall. The nail on the wall being the battery, and the hammer hitting the nail being our impulse, and an impulse with more current means a hammer hitting the nail with more kinetic energy. If the hammer does not gain enough kinetic energy (0.5mv^2) then it is unable to get the nail into the wall. So there is needed a bare minimum of kinetic energy (electric current) to make the nail get into the wall (battery charge).

If we use this analogy, then it would be evident that how HARD it is to get the nail to the wall, by constantly pushing it!! It is almost impossible and requires so much effort! This is how we are charging the batteries, with our conventional battery chargers, which require so much electric current (pushing force).

Where does the excess energy when we hit the nail on the wall come from? It is evident that much more energy is needed to get it into the wall, by only pushing it into the wall. IT IS COMING FROM THE AETHER I SUPPOSE. Or as Aaron says from the time itself. Impulse or the DIRAC FUNCTION or the sharp gradient is a key to free energy, why? Because it has a FINITE ENERGY(One), But an INFINITE EFFECT IN ZERO TIME.

This is what I have understood in studying and thinking about these systems.
Any comments?

Elias

[riku2015]

Hi all, i'm new user at this forum!

just question, what i never getted an answer at overunity forums, what happens if put the coils unsynchronized to motor?
here is pictures at overunity forum and more at my blog.

b.t.w. nice projects here at this topic!

[Sephiroth]

The nail on the wall being the battery, and the hammer hitting the nail being our impulse, and an impulse with more current means a hammer hitting the nail with more kinetic energy. If the hammer does not gain enough kinetic energy (0.5mv^2) then it is unable to get the nail into the wall. So there is needed a bare minimum of kinetic energy (electric current) to make the nail get into the wall (battery charge).

I like the anology but I don't think more current is desirable... I think the "kinetic energy" from the hammer is the voltage.... the higher the voltage spikes..

as you said John couldn't charge the batteries on pure radiant but i have a feeling the reason why some current is neccesary is because of the lack of electrons being supplied to the batteries... from what I hear the pure radiant charge damaged batteries in the end so it sounds like the charging process is occuring but the chemical reaction inside the batteries is starved of electrons.

To use another analogy... electrons are to the batteries (when being charged) as CO2 is to a plant. The plant can grow and survive using just the ambient CO2 (in the same way electrons are always present for the batteries) but will grow at a much faster rate and will be far healthier if the CO2 level is increased. Without enough CO2 the cell walls (battery plates) will be brittle and poorly constructed.

so by supplying some current to the batteries we are increasing the electrons and allowing the chemical process to perform efficently. Feeding the batteries in a way.

basically if not enough electrons are present then the oxidation and reduction process won't be complete and will possibly result in radicals that form new chemicals that would not be normally present in the battery... this kind of damage would not be reversible even on the ssg.

Once again this is all just theory! I'd be curious about what John found when he examined the batteries from the pendulum...






anyway!!! the real reason I'm posting tonight is to ask about people's experiences with neos/rare earths....

what size neos are you using? I was just thinking today that you can get neos that are just a few millimeters (even 1mm!) across and I have little doubt that even tiny ones will be strong enough to trigger the ssg... perhaps using very thin neos we can simulate a very strong, narrow and uniform pole? perhaps better then a superpole? though, due to their size, the field may not be strong enough to permanently magnetise the core.

so, what dimensions have been tried?

[Sephiroth]

Hi all, i'm new user at this forum!

just question, what i never getted an answer at overunity forums, what happens if put the coils unsynchronized to motor?
here is picturesoverunity forum and more at my blog.

b.t.w. nice projects here at this topic!

welcome to the forum!

by unsynchronised I'm guessing you mean your slave coils fire just after the magnet has passed over it?

I guess you may loose some torque but maybe not depending on how far out of sync they are...

though I wonder if it will make a difference in the charging effect? One part of the theory ehind the operation of the energiser is the sharp switching of the poles in the coil. basically, just before the coil fires the top of the coil is a south pole and the bottom of the coil is a north pole (due to the magnetic field of the rotor magnet). But then the coil briefly fires which immeadiatly swaps the poles so that the top of the coil is now north and the bottom is south.

If the coils are out of sync then the field induced by the magnet over the coil may not by uniform or be as strong as if they were in sync. This may reduce the effect but it is worth experimenting with... you will definatly learn something what ever your conclusion is.

[riku2015]

by unsynchronised I'm guessing you mean your slave coils fire just after the magnet has passed over it?

- All coils is master, no slaves.
- draws only about 140-150mA without charging battery @ 12volts
- gets 4 times more ??? radiant energy (yes this is the issue? could this be true?) look pics taken from scope at overunity forum, if you people cannot see those, i can post as attachment here as well.

here is from my page (there is not yet scope pics)

i think 4 synced coils gives only 1 big spike while 4 unsynced gives 4 times more? is this true?

[elias]

I like the anology but I don't think more current is desirable... I think the "kinetic energy" from the hammer is the voltage.... the higher the voltage spikes..

as you said John couldn't charge the batteries on pure radiant but i have a feeling the reason why some current is neccesary is because of the lack of electrons being supplied to the batteries... from what I hear the pure radiant charge damaged batteries in the end so it sounds like the charging process is occuring but the chemical reaction inside the batteries is starved of electrons.

To use another analogy... electrons are to the batteries (when being charged) as CO2 is to a plant. The plant can grow and survive using just the ambient CO2 (in the same way electrons are always present for the batteries) but will grow at a much faster rate and will be far healthier if the CO2 level is increased. Without enough CO2 the cell walls (battery plates) will be brittle and poorly constructed.

so by supplying some current to the batteries we are increasing the electrons and allowing the chemical process to perform efficently. Feeding the batteries in a way.

basically if not enough electrons are present then the oxidation and reduction process won't be complete and will possibly result in radicals that form new chemicals that would not be normally present in the battery... this kind of damage would not be reversible even on the ssg.

Once again this is all just theory! I'd be curious about what John found when he examined the batteries from the pendulum...


anyway!!! the real reason I'm posting tonight is to ask about people's experiences with neos/rare earths....

what size neos are you using? I was just thinking today that you can get neos that are just a few millimeters (even 1mm!) across and I have little doubt that even tiny ones will be strong enough to trigger the ssg... perhaps using very thin neos we can simulate a very strong, narrow and uniform pole? perhaps better then a superpole? though, due to their size, the field may not be strong enough to permanently magnetise the core.

so, what dimensions have been tried?

Sephiroth,

Thanks for your insights, I am still wanting to figure out why? electron current and radiant both must be. I guess that the Ions, cannot start moving to buildup more charge inside the battery, with less electron flow, and it must have a minimum value for each type of battery. I have seen that large Bedini machine draw up to 10 Amps, and the little ones draw 5 and 1 Amps so I concluded that the input current must not be too low to get good battery charging. Bedini, also mentions that "By limiting the current in the input we get a better radiant output". I don't like the batteries get fluffy charge without any internal transformation as Aaron mentions.

As for the hammer, thanks for your comments, I revised my thoughts: Hammer's kinetic energy = 0.5mv^2, and potential to the battery is like the velocity of the hammer(v), and the electron current is more like the mass of the hammer(m), and the sharp gradient is what the Radiant is, and it is behind the Potential as it is behind the Inertia of the hammer. It appears when the hammer suddenly hits the nail, because the inertia of the hammer is caused by the Aether, and the Aether adds to the energy in the impact, when the hammer hits the nail suddenly. I really am getting to think that we are utilizing the Aether in any sharp gradient or impulse we are making use of.

BTW, If your hammer is so big with much mass it may bend the nail you are hitting and make it unusable, no? also if your hammer is too small, it doesn't matter how fast you move it, it would not have any much effect in getting the nail into the wall depending on the type of the nail and the wall. So a current of about an ampere would destroy a small battery, but would charge a 55AH battery pretty well, without heating and also Radiant with not enough current would not have enough force to make a larger battery start charging.

Elias

[ren]

Hi Riku, I did try to answer you @ OU, but perhaps I wasnt precise enough.

With multiple coils that fire out of sync you will definately see more torque from your wheel. As far as the charging effect however this is what I believe will happen. You may be getting more spikes per rotation into the battery due to multiple separate collapses, but I dont necessarily think this means better charging. There are some very valid comments above that talk about the need for current flowing through to the secondary (love the nail analogy Elias!). I have confirmed to that the battery will charge better/faster when more current does flow through. I am no master at this so prove me wrong if Im wrong

Also the E-amplification effect you get when all coils fire in unison increases the power of each pulse going to the battery. You will still get a significant increase in speed with the master slave config, it may not have as much torque however.

One other thing to consider is that multiple trigger windings could affect current draw negatively. I think that if you are set on having multiple triggers that you should go with two, three max. Bundle two coils (or more) together to fire in unison and have two (ore more) that fire out of phase. This way you will get the benefit of both effects.

Welcome to the forums!

[elias]

I don't think so

- All coils is master, no slaves.
- draws only about 140-150mA without charging battery @ 12volts
- gets 4 times more ??? radiant energy (yes this is the issue? could this be true?) look pics taken from scope at overunity forum, if you people cannot see those, i can post as attachment here as well.

here is from my page (there is not yet scope pics)

i think 4 synced coils gives only 1 big spike while 4 unsynced gives 4 times more? is this true?

Hi Riku, Welcome!

I don't think that you are getting more radiant energy back, because when the coils are in sync the spikes add up and cannot be seen separately.

And a question, how did you make your calculator count the turns, it is pretty nice, has it got any kind of input?

Elias

[theremart]

These are Cool! Bike generators with Neo magnets

I saw these on a youtube video with an SSG, so I thought why not try it.

YouTube - Batteryless Dynamo on Bedini

I have one, took it apart, and inside is a sphere Neo with a cylinder with very fine magnet wire wrapped around the tube.

Batteryless Bicycle bike safety LEDs lights, A non friction bicycle dynamo, generator, No battery, No friction, science DIY kit, invention, new product. is where I got mine...


I have ordered 8 (1) inch Neo spheres. I can't wait till they get here.

Questions and Answers

How much voltage and current does this dynamo generate?
About 7V, 25mA pulses.

[peper10]

- All coils is master, no slaves.
- draws only about 140-150mA without charging battery @ 12volts
- gets 4 times more ??? radiant energy (yes this is the issue? could this be true?) look pics taken from scope at overunity forum, if you people cannot see those, i can post as attachment here as well.

here is from my page (there is not yet scope pics)

i think 4 synced coils gives only 1 big spike while 4 unsynced gives 4 times more? is this true?

I riku!!!!
And welcome abord this ODYSEY!!!!!
I wonder if you talk about mecanical energy or spikes energy???
I can't find out any mesurements about energy,(because ,i admit, i don't
have the equipement)but,about mecanical energy,i get something about
working with car engines.
They have a lot of configurations,and,most of the best energy efficient
ares configures by having only 1 detonation per revolution.
For the energy part,there a bunch of guys on this forrum that ares pretty
qualified on this field.
And belive me,you can trust them!!!!!!!

Again welcome and enjoy the ride...
peper10

[peper10]

I saw these on a youtube video with an SSG, so I thought why not try it.

YouTube - Batteryless Dynamo on Bedini

I have one, took it apart, and inside is a sphere Neo with a cylinder with very fine magnet wire wrapped around the tube.

Batteryless Bicycle bike safety LEDs lights, A non friction bicycle dynamo, generator, No battery, No friction, science DIY kit, invention, new product. is where I got mine...


I have ordered 8 (1) inch Neo spheres. I can't wait till they get here.



Questions and Answers

How much voltage and current does this dynamo generate?
About 7V, 25mA pulses.

I Theremart !!!

Actually i'm in process of building a rotary attraction motor and i have found
some step motor that can produce 22dcv and 0.26ma at 1000rpm.
I have seen the vid you pointed earlyer and i wonder if compare ,they have
the same potential.

peper10