Bedini SG

[MGC]

Parallel Ground Test Results

Hello Everyone,

Last week I ran a test with the SSG's charging battery ground connected to the power ground and noticed an improved charging effect. I ran some additional tests on the 7Ah battery and ~12.1v power supply and the results were encouraging.


Tests 1-8 were run with no rest period after charging. Tests 9-11
had a one hour rest after charging. Load is discharged through 50 ohm resistor down to 12.4v.

--------- Charging ------- ------ Loading --------
Cycle	Mins	W In	Mins	Wout	COP
1	60	2.93	34	1.84	0.63
2	61	3.03	36	1.94	0.64
3	95	4.67	59	3.18	0.68
4	89	4.34	57	3.08	0.71
5	124	6.1	75	4.06	0.67
6	62	3.05	38	2.05	0.67
7	90	4.43	64	3.45	0.78
8	120	5.86	90	4.85	0.83
9	60	2.95	30	1.59	0.54
10	85	4.29	85	4.52	1.05
11	122	6	84	4.46	0.74
					
Notes : 			Average COP		0.72

Observations :

• Wheel speed was 17% slower and slower to rise
• Tuning the pot was very steady with little current bounce
• Using the LED strobe, there are two pulses per magnet (vs. three normally)
• Pulse on time appears to be delayed somewhat, exactly like the video Lee posted with an inductor in the trigger circuit.
• Output Current increased to 140mA vs. 80mA when connected normally
• Test #10 discharged to 12.38v

So what's happening here? I would love to hear your thoughts and especially those of you with scopes try this test on your SG machines and see what you get.


Warm regards,
Mike

[theremart]

RE: More torque

So do you think i should connect Velijko Mikovic design to the ssg like a piston that going to taking some serious finding the part kind of challenge Does anyone else has a suggestion

The SSG is first and foremost an energizer. It is not designed for torque. If you want more torque you will need to add more coils.... but note, this is not the primary use of the SSG charging batteries and reconditioning them is what it does best.

I have added rare earth magnets to get more torque, but I have found that this has not gained me much. I have gained some energy out via a wind generator yes, but.... I lost the speed for the high pulses that are needed to charge even more effectively...

Good question... It is one I have wrestled with myself... For torque you are much better suited with an Geet engine. It will give you the torque...

Mart

[dodeca]

current update - success

Hello all

As promised I would update the group on any success.
Well the big one did not work.
So I went smaller and got it all working.

Here is what it looks like.

And all from used parts ( electronics wise )


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I plan to build another and experiment with this one.



Dodeca

[theremart]

RE: dodeca SSG

My hat is off to you!... I tried to get those type of hard drive magnets to work and you have done it! Are you using Cat 5 wire for your coils?

I learned how to take out the hard drive bearing from the drive and put it into a sheet of plywood, but those torqe screws are sometimes hard to find them screwdrivers for them.

Great work!

I am considering testing out speaker wire to see how it will compare to magnet wire...

mart

[ren]

Hi Mart, if you are talking about the star shaped screws commonly found in harddrives etc check out your local electronic store, I brought a cheap set of five and they have been invaluable in ripping old drives apart

[theremart]

RE: star screwdrivers

Hi Mart, if you are talking about the star shaped screws commonly found in harddrives etc check out your local electronic store, I brought a cheap set of five and they have been invaluable in ripping old drives apart

I had to look HARD but found them at home depo. Yes they open up many a new hard drive for me...

[dodeca]

The slowest SG and wire question answered

My hat is off to you!... I tried to get those type of hard drive magnets to work and you have done it! Are you using Cat 5 wire for your coils?

mart

Hello All

And mart ... THANK YOU and that would be a NO.

I ended up using the wire from an old blender for the power coil.
And wire from a small fan for the trigger coil.

I have tried 2 transistors that work ... one from a high voltage TV flyback.
And my new one this morning ( now installed ) 2n6674.

Here are the details.

power in 12vdc @ 1.5a ( current draw estimated 100 - 250 ma )
power coil 4.2 ohms
trigger coil 60 ohms

wound together till i ran out of power wire.
I would estimate I wound twice as many turns on the trigger coil
coil turns on both coils UNKNOWN.

I am now trying to charge an old dead car battery.
I tested the BEMF by replacing the charge battery with a 4000 mf 200 vdc cap and after about 10 minutes the cap was charged to 115 vdc.

There was no need for resister or POT in my circuit. The trigger coil goes right to the transistor emitter base. Any resistor up to 250 ohms would run the motor. 250 ohms to 0 ohms adjustments did nothing.

measured slowest speed 8 hz highest 40 hz

ALSO big thanks to Sephiroth and the utube vids that
he made to understand this circuit.


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Dodeca

[Runnningrage]

Reaching Perfection

Hey im so glad i got the ssg running what memberizing device and fun playing around with the truth. I being trying to perfection my motor so it would like u guys motor with less amp draw as possible. I being trying to find where to get a reading on the circuit where i can read the input and output voltage. Without short circuit it damn that so scare me when that happen . Also if you can suggest where to place my meter so i can get a proper reading amp draw too in helping me finding where the sweet spot is. Right i now i being drawing 2.1 amp from primary battery,and i conneted the meter to read amp at the top of the primary coil side.

P.S. how do you read the ohm on motor with 1m pot
Peace out

[theremart]

The magic of the SSG has sucked another one in

Hey im so glad i got the ssg running what memberizing device and fun playing around with the truth. I being trying to perfection my motor so it would like u guys motor with less amp draw as possible. I being trying to find where to get a reading on the circuit where i can read the input and output voltage. Without short circuit it damn that so scare me when that happen . Also if you can suggest where to place my meter so i can get a proper reading amp draw too in helping me finding where the sweet spot is. Right i now i being drawing 2.1 amp from primary battery,and i conneted the meter to read amp at the top of the primary coil side.

P.S. how do you read the ohm on motor with 1m pot
Peace out

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Yes it is like Christmas and you just got a new toy

It is time to get your manual out for your meter and open the pages...
In there you will decipher the code of the funny symbols they put on the meter as which scale is DC and which is AC.

You will want the DC scale and then you will want the range of 20 that is on the scale.

There are some great tutorials on youtube for how to use a meter and the basics of learning, that helped me ALOT to measure current and voltage.

The Pot is a variable resistor, meaning it will change the value of resistance and you turn the knob. To measure this, amount turn off your SSG, then look in your manual for how to measure resistance. Put both of your leads of your meter across the pots two wires, then turn the pot.. you will see the value of the resistance changing as you turn your pot knob.

Mart

[Runnningrage]

Hahaha

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Yes it is like Christmas and you just got a new toy

It is time to get your manual out for your meter and open the pages...
In there you will decipher the code of the funny symbols they put on the meter as which scale is DC and which is AC.

You will want the DC scale and then you will want the range of 20 that is on the scale.

There are some great tutorials on youtube for how to use a meter and the basics of learning, that helped me ALOT to measure current and voltage.

The Pot is a variable resistor, meaning it will change the value of resistance and you turn the knob. To measure this, amount turn off your SSG, then look in your manual for how to measure resistance. Put both of your leads of your meter across the pots two wires, then turn the pot.. you will see the value of the resistance changing as you turn your pot knob.

Mart

Thank Theremart for the information. the title speak for itself i got to emit it there some about the ssg that had me interset about build one on Day 1 Man and Magnetisim go great together. I want to continue perfecting the ssg i and also tell people about so it can spread, that no government can stop the public from learning the truth. Give power back to the people

[theremart]

Ok have another switcher working

I now have my second auto battery switcher working... This one is different in that the charging in is in series. I will be charging 12 to 24V

I have found after several hours of testing that the choke added to the circuit does not give me the same charging power for my Golf cart batteries as before..

Also to note, I now have 2 multi transistor Bedinis working. I tried an experiment, today and I put another diode inline to the charging battery. So far, this is showing better results as the target batteries seem to be climbing faster.

I had to stop my first experiment with the autobattery switcher after 3 weeks of charging without being plugged in the voltage went down to 11V on my golf cart batteries, and 12.2 V on my Deep cell batteries. Since my target is to desulfer these batteries and condition them, I will again bring these batteries to max charge, and then let them run again till they reach this level.

On my 3 transitor coil setup, It is charging 20V to 48V at 2amps, but it is charging 8 golfcart batteries at the same time. It does look like the batteries will reach max voltage with this charging method.

Lots of fun, and some smoke.....
sigh

Mart

[dodeca]

the SG and the overunity quest

Hello All

I am here to update and share what I found out.

First of all I tried to get my SG core to work with Iron fillings
and not a solid steel core. I made several core inserts by mixing glue
and iron fillings and pouring into a cylinder mold. I used a floral shop
material called "wet floral foam" or "oasis". It worked very well. But in
end my core would not run on fillings. I suppose too few windings.
So with this coil solid steel worked. I also used tiny steel rods ( like
welding rods but smaller ) these are paint insulated. Results were no
different than solid steel.

Also went from two magnets up to four magnets and with that change
my motor was not better and not as easy to start up.

I also made a new HD mag motor ( one magnet ) and it works. but in the end ... the two magnet drive worked best.

From what I have found out about the SG is that the core design is VARY
important. I suggest if you want the standard model to work use Sephiroth's
design ...


Also here are a few links to help.

Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume I (DC) - Table of Contents

On coil design ...

Lessons In Electric Circuits -- Volume I (DC) - Chapter 15



For the experimenters.

I found I could forward bias my transistor ... this made the circuit
work harder. If I kept going to push the bias up the circuit would
self oscillate.

Here are the drawings.


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...3728/bias1.jpg


Here set the 25 ohm POT to to 0 ohms and increase slowly.


http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...3728/bias2.jpg


Here set the 5 k ohm POT to 5 k ohms and decrease slowly.


Don't over dive it ... you could fry the transistor.



OK NOW I AM DONE WITH THE SG.

I can not find over unity in this current popular design.
The back EMF is great for charging and burning out impurity's
between the battery plates and thus restoring a dead battery.


I do believe over unity is POSSIBLE. But how?

So then I thought of this ...

Perhaps we need to concider not only the electromagnetic aspects
but also the electrostatic . My next idea was to combine the best
of the SG and a electrostatic generator.


David Swenson's electrostatic "invisible wall"

High Voltage Device: Electrostatic Motor Plans

And my final question. Is this forum open to radical new designs in
the quest for over unity ... or ... is it for the pursuit and perfection of known
over unity designs?


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Dodeca

[theremart]

SSG multi coil

Tonight I got my 6 transistor coil running ( 4 coils with multiple winds ). unlike my 3 transistor one this one draws about 1 amp. at the sweet spot. I am seeing better response from the golf cart batteries.

It seems I am getting much more kick for the same amount of energy I was putting in before.

[N O G]

New person to the forum

Hi there everyone .... since reading some threads in this forum ive been able to finish my BSG with out naging anyones ear off (nice work all) ...My first setup is a small setup ...hard drive bearing base , 7cds glued together,8 magnets,2 car relays = 1 power coil 1 trigger coil (not the proper setup but works)12v car battery as primary...Tried a lot of small tests with setup , directly charging ,cap charging with 555 timer set up and to my suprise for such a small coil setup i can put charges in batteries but not big .. im not scared to blow things up so ive learned heaps (min & max on things than balance) get what you can out of a small setup then move up ,thats what im doing anyway ,you learn better....anyway enough from me for now ..........im going to build from scratch my next motor the only thing im sort of stuck on is the COIL................ i know 600+ turns , 3 or more enamel wire strands , iron core etc BUT what about the length of the spool has anyone experimented or could give some advice THANKS EVERYONEhttp://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

[theremart]

Advice..

Hi there everyone .... since reading some threads in this forum ive been able to finish my BSG with out naging anyones ear off (nice work all) ...My first setup is a small setup ...hard drive bearing base , 7cds glued together,8 magnets,2 car relays = 1 power coil 1 trigger coil (not the proper setup but works)12v car battery as primary...Tried a lot of small tests with setup , directly charging ,cap charging with 555 timer set up and to my suprise for such a small coil setup i can put charges in batteries but not big .. im not scared to blow things up so ive learned heaps (min & max on things than balance) get what you can out of a small setup then move up ,thats what im doing anyway ,you learn better....anyway enough from me for now ..........im going to build from scratch my next motor the only thing im sort of stuck on is the COIL................ i know 600+ turns , 3 or more enamel wire strands , iron core etc BUT what about the length of the spool has anyone experimented or could give some advice THANKS EVERYONEhttp://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif

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I would give this advice...

1. Wrap the power coil first then wrap the trigger around that. It has worked alot better for me.

There are various lengths of spools out there, mine is 3 inches long but others have used longer ones...

Here is a link to someone that has spelled out the details of making the coils..

Erwin's Work Shop

There are also some great videos on youtube on coil making, I like the daftman's stuff myself...

I guess you need to think how much wire you have, and how to best divi it up...