Bedini SG

[theremart]

How do we?

How can we replace an alternator with an attraction motor

I thought the point of the Lindermann motor is that it doesn't induce voltage in the coils

Well what I am trying to convey is that it would be better if the battery was charged with the SSG like charging. There are problems getting this to go as you might need two batteries one to be charged the other to be used.

I was not being practice, just idealistic... Would be good to have the battery always charged with cold electricity.. But this would have to be engineered...

[Sephiroth]

gotcha

an easy way would be to use the alternator to charge a capacitor that runs a solid state oscillator ... I built one for my solar panel and it works in principle...

[dambit]

I have probably just not seen it, but does anyone have a schematic for adding more coils.

Cheers

[Sephiroth]

there is one from jetijs further back in this thread though here is one I made earlier

multicoil.jpg

Just add the part in red for every slave coil you want to hook up.

[riku2015]

hi all from long time, i don't know if people remember me when i was writing here last time about non symmetrical positioning coils.

motor was running non-stop 3monts (i haved little time, so i just let it run)
Was charging 1x 7Ah battery reconditioning, but that broke, NEVER LET MOTOR RUNNING WITHOUT watch. battery really broked up lol.

So now i'm back and today i was putted back to symmetrical coil positioning configuration also tried master/slave connections, that was susseful but not usable couse only 1 little radiant spike it gives. that is very lol. i don't know what that should be giving with 1 or more slave coils, i really dont't understand what is the advantage of multiple coils connected as slave, so i go back to all as master, that works i get multiple and lot of spikes in that way.
Now the motor runs lot slower than before (unsynchronized coil positioning) after fine tuning. this is now synced configuration.

I let it charge 5x7ah batteries connected as parallel. 1bank i have other bank also, but that is later, i first condition this. that is now chargind lot of time, let see about few days.

here is my old page Riku’s Blog » Riku’s Bedini motor
there is no new pictures at this time, you people see that was winter taken, that is from the motor running with no making modifications, like i sayed im now back in to the motor, and i really need some answers so waiting untill that is contitioned.

meanwhile i really need some answers what is the best coil configuration and advantages.


-riku

[selamatg]

study more SSG for efficient setup

Hi all,

I bought an old model of second hand oscilloscope and hope tomorrow will arrive in purpose to study more about SSG best tunning for more efficient.

that will be my first time to see the oscilloscope directly.

I'm really interest to get best result of the COP >1 and reconditioning battery.

Any suggestion for better setting are welcome...

Best regards,

Selamatg

[dambit]

Thanks Sephiroth,
I'm building a two coil machine so I'm getting a quote to have the coils wound by machine as I get the impression they would need to be exactly the same to be efficient in a multi-coil setup.

When you say slave coil, do you mean a totaly separate coil or another wind on the same spool (trifilar for example)

Cheers,

Steve

[Sephiroth]

either way the cicruit is as above... you can use the part in red for an extra winding on the master coil, or for seperate slave coils...

I am looking into having some coils machine made as well but the company I asked never got back to me with a quote could you let us know how much that will cost?

Cheers!

[dambit]

That clears things up, cheers. I'm colourblind so I didn't know which part was red, (I assumed it was the bit I hadn't seen before). makes for interesting wiring as I use all the same colour.

When winding a seperate slave coil would it be advantageous to wind it bifilar with both being power coils?, or is a trigger coil required. I'm not sure if the induction from the primary trigger coil would be enough to activate all of the transistors, but then again it just might.

I'm living in Australia at the moment so when I get a quote I'll let you know. Should be close to what they charge in the UK, but then again. I was living in asia and as such I am still getting used to the hyper-inflated prices western countires have. Crazy!

[dambit]

Cost of coils

Hi Sephiroth,

Just got the quote back and it will cost me AUD$60 per coil to be wound by machine. These will be 4" long with a 3" flange and a 3/4" core. (filled to the brim)
I worked out that it will cost me only $10 less to do it myself. As I can't be bothered, I will get this guy to do it for me. At least now they will be as close to identical as possible.

Cheers,

Steve.

P.S. Is there a limit to the number of winds in a coil? Can they be too big?

[Sephiroth]

Cheers for that!

Don't think there is a limit to the number of turns you can use, however if the coil gets very long with a thin guage wire then the resistance in the coil might get too high...

about 1000 turns of 22 guage wire should only have a couple of ohms resistance so this shouldn't be a problem

Then again, the Back EMF may increase if you increase the number of turns and that may effect the performance... I asked about this in another thread though didn't get a confirmed answer...

Maybe someone who knows a bit more about this can comment?

[mrbreau]

Coil wraps?

Hello all? The first coil I built was 2000 wraps bi-filar. I was so proud of myself, thinking that this would really be something great. It wasn't. A sixteen in plastic bicycle wheel with fifteen magnets would turn 144 rpm @69.4mA. The coil was wound with #26 and #28 magnet wire. Ohm reading was .033 for #26 and .056 for #28. Both wires measured nearly the same at 201.5mHy.

In comparison, a 1000 wrap tri-filar wound next yielded these results;
#26 = .014 ohm and 28.47mHy
#28 = .012 ohm and 27.58mHy.
The two #28 shorted so I used them as the power coil and the #26 as the trigger. (It seems I have difficulty wrapping magnet wires with shorting either at startup or after some runs. Wrapping the coils as tight as I did, the magnet passes cause the wires to vibrate, thereby rubbing the insulation off between them.) RPM increased to 194 @ 130mA.

The above was "proof of concept" to me and have since dismantled the first SG and am building a MUCH BETTER model. Building the SG is simple. Understanding the workings of each component is taking some doing. Right now, understanding the coil is a priority for me. For example, the specs for the coil is a 3 X 3 spool with a 3/4 inch core. (Yahoo! Monopole3 group) The above 2000 wrap was on a 2 X 2 spool with a 3/4 inch core. (This leads me to believe that magnet wire should not be used along with the above reasons.)

There is also a concept of *optimum spacing* relating coil size to magnet spacing. Investigating this concept, I actually had the trigger coil *ringing* with the next magnet. As the first magnet was leaving the trigger the next magnet was entering, setting up a parallel pulse with the trigger coil. I'll be investigating this phenomenon further.

Well. It seems I drifted afield here. Sorry about that. I hope I shed some light on the number of coil wraps and such though.

Warren
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[dambit]

Hi all,

I am presently mapping out the circuitry for my first multi-coil (2) device and was wondering if anyone had any advise on how to choose the base resistor for a coil. Should I just use what is on the original schematic from JB's multi-coil setup, or is there another way?

Also, Should my master coil have a trigger coil and two power coils (trifilar) and the slave coil only have two power coils?(no trigger) I would think that if I didn't, the slave coil would create a more powerful field and cause imbalance.
Not Sure

Cheers,

Steve

[John_Bedini]

Your work

Good work guys.
Remember you can make a low light SG solar motor using 4 volts to charge 12 volt batteries. The energize can run continuos for days without running down. When I'm done with my project I may post pictures and circuits on how to do this.
What needs to be done is specialized lighting using the sg circuits, you must remember that you have a high voltage oscillator in the SG, led's love this if hooked up correctly.
John

[Sephiroth]

Good work guys.
Remember you can make a low light SG solar motor using 4 volts to charge 12 volt batteries. The energize can run continuos for days without running down. When I'm done with my project I may post pictures and circuits on how to do this.
What needs to be done is specialized lighting using the sg circuits, you must remember that you have a high voltage oscillator in the SG, led's love this if hooked up correctly.
John

Wow! The man himself! While you are here John, thank you for showing us all that you have! Much appreciated!

and on the subject of lighting LEDs... isn't the "Joule Theif" based on your patent? The design is very similar and it can light LEDs with dead batteries... Plengo on YouTube did a series of vids called something like "lighting an LED forever" or something like that, and again does something similar...

Looking forward hearing more from you!