Bedini SG

[Sephiroth]

Thanks seph that answer has help some more.
I am reading and trying to understand the impedance factor involved. Witch I am having a little trouble understanding it.
I did find the 2 links u sent me and am reading them.
Thank you

I can't say I fully understand it either but I have it from a reliable source and it makes sense considering John's background in audio technology.

[Sephiroth]

I found a good analogy for impedance matching

Impedance Matching Transformers

imagine you are riding a bike in a very high gear... and although your legs are not moving very fast you are using alot of energy, straining your muscles trying to turn the shaft, and the bike doesn't go very fast compared to the energy you put in. This is a good analogy electrically to your recovery coil having a much higher resistance than your charging battery. High voltage, and low current (despite the high voltage, current is low because of the overall resistance of the circuit), low overall watts transfered.

now imagine riding a bike in very low gear... your legs are spinning like mad, though with less strain on your muscles, but again you don't go very fast... this is similar to the near impossible scenario where your recovery coil has a resistance lower than the charging battery. Low voltage, high current (since it is pretty much a short circuit), low overall watts transfered.

Though when the bike is in just the right gear, it is very easy to turn the shaft and you shoot off into the distance! Electrically, this would be an "impedance matched" scenario where the resistance of your recovery winding is the same as the charging battery. Ideal voltage, ideal current, maximum watts transfered.

Though an impedance matched circuit isn't necessarily the most electrically efficient. The most electrically efficient is considered to be the second scenario where the resistance of the "load" is higher than the "source." But by electrically efficient I mean that more energy is burnt in the load rather than the source. a superconducting coil won't generate any heat since there is no resistance so all the energy is burnt by the load.

I don't believe that's relevant when our load is a charging battery since we don't want heat. We don't want to USE any energy... we just want to TRANSFER the most energy possible from the collapsing field to the charging battery. From what I understand, this is the purpose of impedance matching.

Maybe one of our electrical engineers could explain it better

[shubhamforme]

d u got over unity with your ssg???

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A friend of mine suggested to wrap the power coil on the coil, then the trigger coil on top of that ( not at the same time )

I might get around to trying this, as it would put the power coil closer to creating the magnetic field of the core.

Just another thought.

hi there
d u got over unity with your ssg???

[shubhamforme]

d u got over unity with your ssg???

Sometimes things just stare you in the face and you don't realize the implications until much later, when the connection finally manifests itself to you in a form so clear that you wonder why you didn't see it before.

All of this arose because I was thinking of Rick Freidrich and the struggles he's gone through trying to convince people of what they had with the SSG. And the problem probably stemmed from the fact that most people don't have any understanding of conventional electronics theory--they just built the things, connecting the parts as shown in the schematic, and didn't really think all that much about it.

So in the midst of pondering this, all of the sudden it hit me like a ton of bricks!

Take a look at the picture and circled part. The way the diode is hooked up means that absolutely no current will flow at any time according to conventional EM theory. The positive from the charging battery is blocked by virtue of being connected to the cathode of the diode coming off of the power coil! So simple! Yet so diabolically clever!

The way that diode sits in the circuit (again, according to conventional theory) means that it's basically an open short--you could remove the diode and battery completely because they have absolutely no path where a current can flow through them!

After going through several charge/discharge cycles, you have to wonder just what is charging the battery? 'Cause it sure ain't electrons!

hi there,,
did any one got overunity with ssg like john bedini claims or like he had shown in the videos of energy from the vaccum series???
also any one got a overunity redult from ssg version of imhotep by using a computer dc brushless12v fan?>?pls reply at
shubhamforme@gmail.com

[theremart]

OU

hi there
d u got over unity with your ssg???

So far I have seen only 3 people that have come close to OU that I am aware of. That would be Kevin, and Aaron and Dambit.

OU to me would be a self running system. Beyond that would be a system that you could harvest excess energy. No, I have not achieved this. What I have achieved is increased the capacity of used batteries. On my golf cart batteries I increased them by about 10 amp hours. On my 12 amp hour batteries I got them to 13 amp hours. Increasing the storage capacity of used batteries is a great side benefit of exploring the Bedini system.

But my real goal of doing all of this from the beginning is getting two batteries up to full amp hours from only one battery. The closest to this goal has come from using the Daftman's hybrid system of the Newman and the Bedini. All of my testing is on hold until I am done with moving to Florida. ( all of my toys are now packed up ).

I still hope to get 2 batteries charged with full amp hours from one.

[Shamus]

I feel I should post an addendum to that old post of mine: Energy does flow into the secondary battery, but it's coming from the HV spike off the coil when the transistor is shut off. If that diode and secondary battery are missing from the circuit, that HV will go into the transistor and primary battery! Also, apparently some of that HV spills over to the primary battery anyway, but I haven't seen this effect because I run my machines from a power supply.

I still stand by my original assertion of the diode as being overlooked and it being superfluous from a conventional point of view. Like Peter Lindemann told me a while back, there is much more to these machines than meets the eye on first glance.

[wwdotme]

Well I took a couple of vacation days this week end and tried a couble rotor idea, witch failed badly and I could not figure out why. I still don't know why but the 3 coil motor I hooked up to the trigger rotor was self oscilating as I found out.

Any way what I did do this weekend was able to charge 2 batteries up to 12.56 volts from 1 battery, run the 2 down to 12 volts, charge them back up to 12.56...
I was able to charge the 2 batteries back up 3 times on 1 charge on the primary battery..

What I have not been able to do is get the batteries over 12.56 volts. This might be due to the fact that my coil windings are low and my wire size is big.

But I was extremely happy about the charge and the discharge of the 2 batteries from 1 power battery.

[Hoppy]

Well I took a couple of vacation days this week end and tried a couble rotor idea, witch failed badly and I could not figure out why. I still don't know why but the 3 coil motor I hooked up to the trigger rotor was self oscilating as I found out.

Any way what I did do this weekend was able to charge 2 batteries up to 12.56 volts from 1 battery, run the 2 down to 12 volts, charge them back up to 12.56...
I was able to charge the 2 batteries back up 3 times on 1 charge on the primary battery..

What I have not been able to do is get the batteries over 12.56 volts. This might be due to the fact that my coil windings are low and my wire size is big.

But I was extremely happy about the charge and the discharge of the 2 batteries from 1 power battery.

Yes, that's the hard part getting the battery fully charged. You are a long way from it at an 'on charge' voltage of 12.56V. Also, you start off at 12 volts with around 50% charge already in the battery.

Hoppy

[wwdotme]

Hi guys
Finally got a spool of wire and built my ssg as close to spec as I could.
quadfilar coil 22 awg wire 125ft. almost 400 winds
1 trigger
3 power
I can now push my batteries up over 14+v so have started conditioning them correctly.

My only question is
I'm down to less than 300 ohms to eliminate the self oscilation and probally 80% of the time when I hook up power it starts on it's own.

I started out around 700+ ohms with the 25ma light in the circuit also. It's nice not having to spin it up all the time but should I lower the resistance more?
It's pulling 750ma draw witch maybe low for a 3 power coil machine?

will have another spool of wire in a week or so. Already have the other parts on hand. then I can add another power coil with 4 windings.

thnaks ww

[uusedman]

I need HELP! and confused.

I got a tri-flier wire wrapped in a single spool. First, I was using the third wire to a rectifier to a battery/capacitor. NOW, I am trying to use it as a power wire, as in a Master/Slave coil setup, whenever I hook the third wire to the circuit the AMP's Double and the motor starting getting heavy until it comes to a complete stop. When I try to reverse the wire hookup as in changing the polarity, It does not work.
The core I was using is 1/2 metal rod. I purchased some weilding rods to replace the core.

Any input/comment would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I am using the 22 gauge as the Trigger and 19 gauge as the Power. 900 turns for all.
Thanks

[tjnlsn255]

Hi Uusedman....

Are you using this circuit?

Are we still having fun?

Todd

[uusedman]

Yes, same circuit however, 1 slave.

I am always having fun with this. Had to take a break from the Rotary Attraction Motor. Want to first build a reputable Bedini before moving to the Lindemann Motor.

[ABCStore]

@wwdotme:

My setup is almost identical to your and it draws ~280mA... Try to look at impulses on the scope if you can. You should lower your resistance until you get 1 (one) impulse per cycle. Multiple impulses are not beneficial (IMHO).

ABC

[dambit]

I need HELP! and confused.

I got a tri-flier wire wrapped in a single spool. First, I was using the third wire to a rectifier to a battery/capacitor. NOW, I am trying to use it as a power wire, as in a Master/Slave coil setup, whenever I hook the third wire to the circuit the AMP's Double and the motor starting getting heavy until it comes to a complete stop. When I try to reverse the wire hookup as in changing the polarity, It does not work.
The core I was using is 1/2 metal rod. I purchased some weilding rods to replace the core.

Any input/comment would be greatly appreciated.

Also, I am using the 22 gauge as the Trigger and 19 gauge as the Power. 900 turns for all.
Thanks

Hi uusedman,

You have to adjust the trigger circuit resistor value every time you add another power wind. It's probably been said before, but you sould be aiming for around 250mA per transistor (for MJL21194 type), so that's 750mA total input current for the three.

Hope this helps,

Steve.

If the above isn't the problem

[wwdotme]

@wwdotme:

My setup is almost identical to your and it draws ~280mA... Try to look at impulses on the scope if you can. You should lower your resistance until you get 1 (one) impulse per cycle. Multiple impulses are not beneficial (IMHO).

ABC

going to keep lowering my resistance (slowly).
No scope. maybe some day

taking lil steps it's running nice, charging is pretty good also.
thanks abc