Bedini Schoolgirl

[blackchisel97]

But tell me plaese, as I am watch at the video, John Bedini was discharge the battery down to 3 Volts. As far as i am understand - it's for kill positive energy for reforming and charge by negative/radiant energy...

Now i have a new battery and look that thay starter auto batery have 12.6 Volts. The 4 transistor siystem is start cxharge very find.
But After the discharge by lamp/buld 3 A the charge stay more harder/need more time, but discharge quckly . May be I need to discharge to 3 Volta lead-acid starter batery?

What I need for battery reforming/forming?

You need to run few cycles of charging - rest - discharging - rest.
Don't exceed C20 rate for particular Ah value of your battery.
Look at my previous post for battery discharge reference.
You can take deep charge battery down to 10.5V if you are restoring it but never do that to the regular car battery because cells will die soon.


V

[mbrownn]

Bringing back a sulphated battery is a slow process. You will need to cycle the battery at least 6 times to get anything like its original capacity.

How low to discharge a starter battery is a difficult decision. If you discharge the battery 10% of its standing voltage (11.43v) it will take fewer cycles (maybe 6) but this is working the battery hard and will shorten its ultimate life. I have tried on 5% (12.06v) but have found it takes many more cycles (maybe 20). Maybe a compromise with a 10% initial discharge followed by smaller later would be a good compromise. 11.2v on a starter battery is considered dead. All the above voltages are after the battery has been disconnected and is not under load. Don't rest a discharged battery, this is not good practice.

It is usually the first few cycles that bring back the voltage in a battery and the later ones are bringing back capacity.

On the first few charges, I charge it till the voltage will not rise any more, that is there has been no rise in voltage in 12 hours, this can be above 15v. after that I charge to the batteries recommended charging level. Lead acid 14.4 lead calcium 14.8 etc.

Input power is important. C20 is best but higher power works well at recovery. This has the disadvantage of shedding more plate material (black sludge in the bottom of the cell) and lowering the batteries ultimate capacity. lower power recovers slower and if too low will not recover the capacity.

Most starter batteries have been overworked when the car fails to start, this causes internal melting of the plates and internal shorts, we cannot recover this.

Old batteries that just become weak can have dendrite formation causing a partial short, radiant chargers do help with this. Dendrites are not usually a problem in starter batteries as the high amp draw will melt them away.

The video you refer to, I believe, is the one where JB charges a battery with negative energy then it wont take a charge on positive energy. Draining it down so low is a last ditch effort to bring the battery back to working with positive energy. This should only be done as a last resort because draining a battery so low will damage a battery.

[nafanja]

Question about coil

I have 2 differet coils.

1) One have welding rodes and near 2000 wounds/turns of 0.55 mm ware.

2) Second coil have 950 wounds/turns and solid bolt.

Each coil have 7 wounds for collectors(transistors) trigger

2) coils with bolt and strong neos magnets don't make a charge, I was not be able to charge 7 Ah Gell batery more than 11.6- 11/7 Volts.

1) Coils is stay and I am use 60 A/h batery. I was find the distance between the coil and magnets/rotor. It's now near 30 mm. I was find by fast speed/turns.

The 60 Ah battery is charge but when I watch video with JB - his batery 13 Ah is charge more fast. May be the 2000 turns/ wounds is more than need?
I was think that it's will give me a good charging effect and I was see somwere that Aron use 2000 turns is JB systems.
May be make two coils from tis one?
Why new batery is charge slowly, or may be find 6 or 20 cicles for reforming?

[blackchisel97]

I have 2 differet coils.

1) One have welding rodes and near 2000 wounds/turns of 0.55 mm ware.

2) Second coil have 950 wounds/turns and solid bolt.

Each coil have 7 wounds for collectors(transistors) trigger

2) coils with bolt and strong neos magnets don't make a charge, I was not be able to charge 7 Ah Gell batery more than 11.6- 11/7 Volts.

1) Coils is stay and I am use 60 A/h batery. I was find the distance between the coil and magnets/rotor. It's now near 30 mm. I was find by fast speed/turns.

The 60 Ah battery is charge but when I watch video with JB - his batery 13 Ah is charge more fast. May be the 2000 turns/ wounds is more than need?
I was think that it's will give me a good charging effect and I was see somwere that Aron use 2000 turns is JB systems.
May be make two coils from tis one?
Why new batery is charge slowly, or may be find 6 or 20 cicles for reforming?

All you need is about 120 feet (36m) of each wire. 2000 turns is way too much. Solid steel bolt is no good.
Replace neo magnets with ferrite (ceramic) magnets.
This is not a motor but energizer. You may make it spin the way you have set up but it won't charge battery well.


V

[nafanja]

Thank you (loudspeaker magnets)

Helo and many thank's for your raply.

Tell me plaese, I have ability to find the magnets from loudspeakers and re thay usable for ssg wheel?

Now i start to return/rewound the coil and old 2000 turn coil ois have a litte warm core. The transistors is cold. I have empression that the coil is a little warmer too, but I am not shure...

If it's was be a current, but why the transistors is cold?
Neo magnets and the strong field, but I have a distace near 30 mm? or it's normally?

Dear V

How many time you pent for charg the 60 A/h battery and how many transistors do you use?

[nafanja]

Air core

Tell me plaese

Now I watch youtube video where the people use the neo magnets and aircore 1600 turn cores, does anybodu have the experience with this?

[blackchisel97]

Helo and many thank's for your raply.

Tell me plaese, I have ability to find the magnets from loudspeakers and re thay usable for ssg wheel?

Now i start to return/rewound the coil and old 2000 turn coil ois have a litte warm core. The transistors is cold. I have empression that the coil is a little warmer too, but I am not shure...

If it's was be a current, but why the transistors is cold?
Neo magnets and the strong field, but I have a distace near 30 mm? or it's normally?

Dear V

How many time you pent for charg the 60 A/h battery and how many transistors do you use?

Your coil is getting warm from the steel bolt core not because there is much current going through. Transistors should run cold in such setup. In my sixfilar with 1mm wire and few amps input they get only slightly warm.
If you have bicycle wheel the best would be double stack, rectangular ceramic magnets. I would suggest to use ceramic magnets until you fully understand what's going on.
Loudspeaker magnets are fine as long as you can find them all the same size.
Neodymium magnets need to be farther away from the coil. They are much stronger and may saturate the core, preventing sharp collapse EMF and desirable sharp spike.

I have trifilar with 3 X 100 feet of AWG#18. One transistor, solid state, air coil. Input 17.7V.
Also 6 filar, 6 X 100 feet, same wire, 5 transistors, solid state. Input 20V.
I use only MJL21194.
It takes 3 - 4 hours to charge 60Ah battery which has been discharged to 12.5V


V

[nafanja]

Te hot core

It's the iron welding rodes which hot.
This rodes is iron for low carbon iron steel. The diameter is near 3 mm.

The distance near the 30 mm from the magnets. (2000 wounds and welding rodes cores).
The solid bolt is warm too.

Strong neos field?

Dear V

How many your 60 A/h batery Voltage have after charge, and it's new or reforming batteries?

Why MJL transistors.
I am use 3055 Soviet variant

[nafanja]

Air core

Hello dear friends and thank you for your answers...

Now my cpoil has reound(ed).

But I make interelding experiment - I don't use the core.
The wheel stray run wery good, I am nice wondered.

As I am understand - my nes magnets is strong and makes welding rodes hot and other ferro matherials.
The charge stay more better or faster (I am bout 60Ah battery). The coil have 8 transistors and near 25 V of power.

Is anybody have the experience with air core?

Dear V

Tell me plaese what is the current with 20V and 5 transistors?
And why you use the 1 mm diameter ware?
It's time (3-4 hours) for charge new or refotrming batteryand what is the high Voltage level of charge?

[blackchisel97]

Hello dear friends and thank you for your answers...

Now my cpoil has reound(ed).

But I make interelding experiment - I don't use the core.
The wheel stray run wery good, I am nice wondered.

As I am understand - my nes magnets is strong and makes welding rodes hot and other ferro matherials.
The charge stay more better or faster (I am bout 60Ah battery). The coil have 8 transistors and near 25 V of power.

Is anybody have the experience with air core?

Dear V

Tell me plaese what is the current with 20V and 5 transistors?
And why you use the 1 mm diameter ware?
It's time (3-4 hours) for charge new or refotrming batteryand what is the high Voltage level of charge?

I use air core coils in my solid state chargers. Thicker wire will result in stronger pulse which is necessary if you want to work with larger batteries.
Circuit with thicker wire will draw more from the input. Resistance in the base of the transistors regulates base current and the way transistor switches (softer/harder). I can adjust that so the input draw can be from 0.8A - 1.45A - 2.5A or more. Going higher (A ) by reducing base resistor value may not result in better charge after certain point but will cause coil and transistor getting warmer - indication that you're wasting energy.
In multifilar circuit base resistors need to be the same value for each transistor so they all have the same working environment. They can be connected to the common high power resistor (potentiometer) or resistor plus light bulb. This common resistor in the trigger branch will be the only adjustment.
If you decide to change input voltage you'll need to consequently change the base resistors to the higher values. For instance; at 12V they may be 150 Ohm but at 24V may need to be changed to 240 Ohms or more. Those values are just an example. Values may vary according to the individual setup, coil parameters and transistor type.
I use 21194 since it can handle more current and voltage. 2N3055 is rated at 60V CE and can be easily blown off by the "wandering spike".

hope this helps

V

[nafanja]

Buld at the base

Tell me plaese, I have bulb near 12V and 40ma.
This bulb must lighting or no?
As far as I am understand this lamp/bulb need for security of the transistor (or no?)

Now I try to find ceramic magnets for chamnge neos magnets, But I have two coils with 8 transistors.
But when one block/coil not connected to power/battery and second run the wheel - the lamps/bulbs is lighting.

How the bulbs must work?

[blackchisel97]

Tell me plaese, I have bulb near 12V and 40ma.
This bulb must lighting or no?
As far as I am understand this lamp/bulb need for security of the transistor (or no?)

Now I try to find ceramic magnets for chamnge neos magnets, But I have two coils with 8 transistors.
But when one block/coil not connected to power/battery and second run the wheel - the lamps/bulbs is lighting.

How the bulbs must work?

Your bulb is in series with trigger - transistor base. Base current is responsible for the way transistor opens/closes (switching). There should be enough current going in to make it switch but not too much to cause heat.
One 12V60mA bulb is enough for one transistor SSG. Multitransistor circuit will need more current for each to operate. Bulb should just glow. If you have 8 transistor setup you may need a few or one bigger.

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[nafanja]

Base resisor

I try to find the magnets and may be will use the magnets from the loudspeakers.

Tell me plaese, now I have the neos magnets.

The bulbs is lighting/ blow when the base resistor 100 Ohm + bulb (12V/50 ma = 240 Ohm) = 340 Ohm. the speed ishigh when the core is put out/awaedy but the charge (60 Ah battery) is not high when I put the cores (welding rodes) to coil. The speed without core is 5 RPS or 300 RPM. With the core is 150 RPM.

The bulbs is lighting, but when I pus make the core the likght stay more.
As far as i am understand , the core makes magnet ability or make more sencitively the primary coil which open the base by more current and this more amplifering and more current across the collector. This more current flow makes better fly back/ back flowngly and the and better spike. The charge is more strongly.I am right?

I see the reason to make the wheel with neos magnets - to make less resistor or remoove the resisors - may be potenciometer near 100 ohm for finding the resstance for more current accross te base which may make more collector currenr flow stronong spikes

As i see at the videoi where JB demonstrate widow motor where is not the core and he find 100 or less resistance for better run and charge.

Does mu thinking have the reason/right?

[eastcoasttinker]

Is this the right place to ask about two or more coil systems? Been trying my hand at it, but am getted funny results. Can anyone help me out?

[blackchisel97]

Is this the right place to ask about two or more coil systems? Been trying my hand at it, but am getted funny results. Can anyone help me out?

I don't see a problem with that. Go ahead.

V