Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[tecknomancer]

DC Oscillator

hello everyone, since I found this forum had been impressed with the quality and amount of research being done by individuals.I have been working with these type systems for 4 years and I am convinced this is the right path here's a link to my DC oscillator I seem to be getting a considerable amount of capacitor charge, I am using trifilar and quadfilar coils and 200V caps and also incorporated these nifty little 80 V neon lights that I found surplus they are automated machine fault/error lights they seem to work better than the NE2's
with respect and I welcome your opinion.

YouTube - DC Oscillator Motor Controller

[theremart]

Ok. getting solid state up and going...

I got the setup working, as it is charging target battery and now pulling .5 Amp so the target battery is climbing fast. ( changed the resistor next to the transistor from 10K to 100 ohm with a pot next to it.)

I took more scope shots from both the primary transistor and the secondary.


It does seem I am getting the staircase wave


thanks for your help selamatg!


Mart

[theremart]

Testing results...

Starting voltage

85 amp 12Amp 12Amp Total voltage Change of Total volts
12.5 12.27 12.27 37.04
12.13 12.37 12.37 36.87 -0.17
9.15 12.54 12.54 34.23 -2.64


Yesterday I took the deep cell 85 amp hour battery battery that I had charged up with the solid state and used it to charge back to two 12 amp hour batteries. This was the results. The deep cell did not seem to hold up for very long with the charge that was given it.

The amp draw was .4 Amp from the SS ( have changed my base resistor to 100 ohms ) and I am getting a different wave form, a stair step effect. instead of the normal sharp high pulses I was getting with the 10K resistor in.

The cap keeps a constant 20V in it as it discharges to the target battery.

I tried 24V input to he circuit for a short time yesterday, the voltage on target battery shot up to 13V about immediately. But I backed off after I saw that it was draining my source batteries at a high rate. Source batteries were two 13 amp batteries. went down from 12.60 to 12.13 in about 5 min.

[Sephiroth]

Hi Mart,

The first two photos of your scope look perfect. As the voltage in the cap rises the flyback voltage is increasing until the cap discharges.

But I can't figure out the next two photos looks like there is a second wave form?

and you say the cap keeps a steady 20v? What capacity is it?

Have you done any load tests yet?

I still can't figure out the tuning on my oscillators... output seems to be proportional to input ie. I can't find a "sweet spot" so my cop is staying between 0.79 and 0.81 ... an oscilloscope would be handy Damn you rich people flaunting your fancy oscilloscopes!!!! lol

[theremart]

RE: SS results.

Hi Mart,

The first two photos of your scope look perfect. As the voltage in the cap rises the flyback voltage is increasing until the cap discharges.

But I can't figure out the next two photos looks like there is a second wave form?

and you say the cap keeps a steady 20v? What capacity is it?

Have you done any load tests yet?

I still can't figure out the tuning on my oscillators... output seems to be proportional to input ie. I can't find a "sweet spot" so my cop is staying between 0.79 and 0.81 ... an oscilloscope would be handy Damn you rich people flaunting your fancy oscilloscopes!!!! lol

Ok, they look perfect, as to what standard ? I don't know what I am shooting for, I have zero idea of what a good shot looks like. The first shot is from the collector of the BD243C transistor (case ), the second transistor the 2N3584. ( the Book FEG schematic which is close to Aarons schematic )

There was a big change in waveform when I changed the base resistor to 100 ohms instead of 10K, The 10K had tons of sharp straight spikes, but the 100 ohm was the stair step on the BD243C (Case).

BTW, my scope cost me all of $50.00 I am a super cheap skate I did a search on ebay found the dealer was local went to look at the scope, and it was broke!! but he said, I have another back here went and tested it well the rest is sitting on my desk...

The load test was I drove the SS with the charged SS battery ( charged to 12.60 charging voltage ) I put it on for 12 hours and it dropped down to 9.V
sigh, so it did not do well in the first load tests. I am thinking of hooking my battery swapper up to swap between a load, and the charger so I have a timed load / charge.

Oh yes the cap is a 500V 3.3F cap. I think it is overkill, but I got the exact components the book recommends I wanted this one to be right. The book shows a tighter stair step than mine, I am thinking something is not quite right on the 555 chip.

Since this is charging, I believe this means that the opto coupler is working. sigh it is a new world, and I don't know what the values should be when I go around the board.

Today I hooked this up to solar 5 W panel to two 13 amp hour batteries in parallel with the ss. I am very curious to see how the two batteries responds.

[Sephiroth]

3.3 farads!!!! That's huge! Though that would be why your cap isn't showing fluctuating voltage

Though did you mean 3.3uf?

If so, then it is curious that your cap is showing constantly 20v... and the scope shot is showing increasing and decreasing voltage... puzzled.

Ok, they look perfect, as to what standard ?

By perfect I mean it is exactly what I would expect to see

So were the spikes approximatly equal when you had the 10k resistor in? That is interesting....

BTW, my scope cost me all of $50.00 I am a super cheap skate I did a search on ebay found the dealer was local went to look at the scope, and it was broke!! but he said, I have another back here went and tested it well the rest is sitting on my desk...

lol... 50 seems to be the magic number when buying a second hand oscilloscope regradless of currency second hand oscilloscopes in the uk go for at least £50 plus about £15 postage on ebay... so about $120...

[theremart]

Yes 3.3 uf

The scope is from the first transistor that fills the cap. The second scope shot is the release of the cap, ( thus it is around 20 V) and it is a complex wave, I am guessing it is picking up the spikes of the first transistor and I am seeing the combined waveform.



>By perfect I mean it is exactly what I would expect to see

Ok, ya high spikes are cool and to think without any magnets... This has got me rethinking all the magnet configs I have done, I mean I did not have to have an expensive neo to get spikes of this magnitude.

So were the spikes approximatly equal when you had the 10k resistor in? That is interesting....

They were higher. at least a constant 50V yet there was not enough amps in the spike to make the target battery get past its impedence ( my best guess of understanding what is going on). This is why I increased the amps to try to fully charge the batteries from 100 Ma to 400 Ma.

Another thing to consider is at the start of this I had the 555 improperly wired. I was getting 200V spikes because the cap was not discharging I found if I unhooked the charging and hooked it back up POW the spike would release and woke me up a bit

It seems the 555 does not seem to operate unless I am in a certain voltage range. A range of about 12Vdc at least I don't hear the clicking noises I have come to expect when it is doing it's job. I am told that you need proper resistors for the 555 for each voltage range you do.

I first hooked up to the solar 5W panel I am getting 13V in he cap... after seeing this did not give me much in the cap I then decided to hook the solar panel to a larger batter that is at 12V then use this as my primary for the SS, this is working much much better cap now has 20.V in it and the 555 is firing as it should. Target voltage is rising quickly now.

[iret]

Correct type of waveform ?

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum and just want to share some of my own research info on this topic. I have attached two pictures of my oscilloscope readings from my driver and coils output.

Is this the type of waveform for Bedini Oscillators ?

1st picture:

A = signal from transistor driver
B = transistor turning off
C = voltage spike from electromagnet
D = Some kinda ringing ?
E = Just my camera reflection

2nd picture:

Same as above with both signals added together.

Cheers,
teri

[theremart]

Hi Everyone,

I am new to this forum and just want to share some of my own research info on this topic. I have attached two pictures of my oscilloscope readings from my driver and coils output.

Is this the type of waveform for Bedini Oscillators ?

1st picture:

A = signal from transistor driver
B = transistor turning off
C = voltage spike from electromagnet
D = Some kinda ringing ?
E = Just my camera reflection

2nd picture:

Same as above with both signals added together.

Cheers,
teri

Hi Iret,

Welcome to the forum!

I also am trying to understand what is target with the waveforms. I have the "Free Energy Generation" book, and in it it shows a sorta stair step, what is called a "time wave". And I think I am getting close to that in my latest wave forms. The waveforms seem to change with the changing of the base resistance, once I change that it I had significant changes in the wave forms.

Good shots there of your scope! I guess what would help to know is what schematic did you use to construct yours?

I think since we don't have an exact idea of what we are shooting for we can take notes of what setups yield a high amount of return out of the charging battery. From looking at the data on Rick's site, it seems that you have to charge/discharge several times before you will see these results.

Anyhow, thanks for sharing your scope shots.

Mart

[iret]

Hi Mart,

Thanks for the feedback.

I have the "Free Energy Generation" book, and in it it shows a sorta stair step, what is called a "time wave

I am planning to get a copy myself. Weird thing is, the seller refuse to ship it worldwide with tracking. How did you get yours ? Can you post that waveform from the book ?

From my understanding of time wave is the total of time it takes to charge a capacitor and discharge to a load in short amount of time. Correct ?

Are there any distinct visual characteristic for this time wave to watch out on oscilloscope ?

I guess what would help to know is what schematic did you use to construct yours?

It is just a 555 running in astable mode with frequency adjustment I got it off google a while ago.

At location D for the previous post, that part consist of two sine waves 180 degree apart or double helix. Is that normal ?

Cheers,
iret

[theremart]

RE: Solid state with cap...

Since the Cap is dumping the energy to the Battery, there is no need for an inverter with this Solid State Bedini as given in the book FEG.. setup ( I guess if you follow the idea of negative radient energy)...

Is that statement right?

[theremart]

First load test of the SS.

Well I had this battery on the SS drawing 400 millamp at 11.5 to 12 V for 3 days. I was not very impressed with the results.

The battery voltage under charge was 13.20V.

In comparison the other LONG line is the amp hours I got out with the battery being charges with a Neo at 20V at about .5 AMP for about 8 hours.

I cut the test off at 12.5 V...

I was charging 2 batteries at a time with the SS, and not with the neos... But I must say I was very disappointed in the amp hours the battery held. I guess I could try charging the battery again this time the battery by itself with a constant 12.5 V.


Mart

[theremart]

RE: Wave forms

Hi Mart,

Thanks for the feedback.



I am planning to get a copy myself. Weird thing is, the seller refuse to ship it worldwide with tracking. How did you get yours ? Can you post that waveform from the book ?

From my understanding of time wave is the total of time it takes to charge a capacitor and discharge to a load in short amount of time. Correct ?

Are there any distinct visual characteristic for this time wave to watch out on oscilloscope ?



It is just a 555 running in astable mode with frequency adjustment I got it off google a while ago.

At location D for the previous post, that part consist of two sine waves 180 degree apart or double helix. Is that normal ?

Cheers,
iret

I would have to get permission before I post anything from the book.

I am asking permission now for a wav that Bedini approved of that was from someone's build, I am working on getting permission now.

mart

[peter4you]

fluffy voltage

Hi there,

At the momemt I use appr. 6-15V from a laboratory mains adapter for testing the setup with one modified PC fan.

--At appr.10V I can see the neon bulb firing (depending on the kind of fan I use.

I've tried charging various kinds of batteries (LiIo 3.7V, NiMh 5V) and they do charge to their specified voltage, although when I discharge them via a light bulb (bicycle bulb, 6V), they lose their charge very quickly (within appr. 10 Min. or less).

--However, this is not the case if I have charged the batteries in the traditional way using a charger.--Any ideas why this is happening with my setup?

Is the voltage reading that I get from the charged batteries incorrect (e.g., does it show up electrostatic charge instead of real voltage charge?)?

Any ideas, suggestions, help?


Looking forward to your reply
Peter (from Germany)

[theremart]

RE: fluffy voltage..

Great question to ask, but should be asked in the fan thread......
you might nudge Imhotep a bit