Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[blackchisel97]

So on the impedance matching charger it is a trifilar coil. The trigger coil, the 'pulse pickup' coil and then the charging coil.

The trigger coil should be high impedance while the charging coil should be low impedance right? The pulse pickup coil (depicted as being shorter on the spool) should be lower impedance than the trigger coil but higher than the charging coil, or am I wrong?

Thanks for your help

You're correct that impedance matching is crucial but in this case trifilar coil is done as 1:1 transformer, where each winding is the same length and same wire thickness - AWG#23. (I'm talking about the circuit from EFV book, page 46).
In Simplified SG circuit trigger coil is about two sizes thinner than power coil. This results in higher trigger impedance.


Vtech

[salman144]

Well, i changed the base resistance of 2K to 1.6K (1K variable and 1K fixed), now i am getting around 0.22Amps input current. I think the coils are fine, exactly 450 turns Tri-Filar. I used #26 for trigger coil and #23 for charging coils.
when not connected the output rises to 240Volts maximum as the capacitor charges and discharges. And yes it took about 1.5 days to charge a 7.2 Ahr battery from 12.3 to 13.3V..
One more thing , at first i did not filled the spool with iron rods (it was air core), now i filled it with small iron rods and the coil started giving a little buzzing sound.

[blackchisel97]

Well, i changed the base resistance of 2K to 1.6K (1K variable and 1K fixed), now i am getting around 0.22Amps input current. I think the coils are fine, exactly 450 turns Tri-Filar. I used #26 for trigger coil and #23 for charging coils.
when not connected the output rises to 240Volts maximum as the capacitor charges and discharges. And yes it took about 1.5 days to charge a 7.2 Ahr battery from 12.3 to 13.3V..
One more thing , at first i did not filled the spool with iron rods (it was air core), now i filled it with small iron rods and the coil started giving a little buzzing sound.

Introducing iron into the core results in less oscillations per time frame which becomes audible sound. Air coils will oscillate in much higher freq.


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[salman144]

Introducing iron into the core results in less oscillations per time frame which becomes audible sound. Air coils will oscillate in much higher freq.


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So , which one is better High frequency oscillation or low frequency.?
Experimentally, i don't think there is any major effect of filling the core with iron.

[jtanguay]

You're correct that impedance matching is crucial but in this case trifilar coil is done as 1:1 transformer, where each winding is the same length and same wire thickness - AWG#23. (I'm talking about the circuit from EFV book, page 46).
In Simplified SG circuit trigger coil is about two sizes thinner than power coil. This results in higher trigger impedance.


Vtech

Oh so it's a 1:1 transformer... But the pulse pickup coil is shorter right?

I'm assuming that if I did use a shorter and thicker wire for the secondary charging coil, I would get better charging amps with less volts, but the desulfating wouldn't be as good, right?

Thanks!

[salman144]

Pulse coil is not shorter as far as i think. All coils of equal length.

[mikrovolt]

Hi salman,
On a post in the thread bedini earth light
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post140880

someone came there lost with questions and wanted to
understand things. I directed him to a video John Bedini made,
it is a small solid state circuit for a small battery.

I will use the minature version that John donated
to experiment because 35 feet of #30 and a welding rod
is inexpensive.

I want John to make money with his big chargers
because they are a very good product, beneficial
to commercial and residential use, public understanding and we need to see
success. I know all the people at the next convention are
going to exchange ideas get excited so we all benefit.

As a small experimental solid state Bedini charger
that is the electrical circuit part is best referenced here.
The magnesium / copper cell is addressed there.

[blackchisel97]

Pulse coil is not shorter as far as i think. All coils of equal length.

That's correct. Approx 450 Turns of AWG#23 each of three wires. In other words 1:1:1


Vtech

[salman144]

That's correct. Approx 450 Turns of AWG#23 each of three wires. In other words 1:1:1


Vtech

Well i used AWG#26 for trigger coil and AWG#23 for other two. Does that make any major effect..?

Salman

[blackchisel97]

Well i used AWG#26 for trigger coil and AWG#23 for other two. Does that make any major effect..?

Salman

No, it should still work fine.


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[salman144]

How to increase the charging speed

Well, i am still doing some experimentation on how to increase the charging speed. With current solid state charger (Bedini Original) a 7.2Ahr battery takes atleast 2 days to charge up to its full voltage. So i cannot even think about charging a 100Ahr battery (it will take weeks).

Any ideas?????

[blackchisel97]

Well, i am still doing some experimentation on how to increase the charging speed. With current solid state charger (Bedini Original) a 7.2Ahr battery takes atleast 2 days to charge up to its full voltage. So i cannot even think about charging a 100Ahr battery (it will take weeks).

Any ideas?????

To work with 100Ah batteries you need either multicoil/multifilar rotor or multifilar solid state and I mean multi not just three windings. Make sure your base resistance is not too high and observe the input draw. Circuit will oscillate with higher than necessary resistance but charging rate may be poor due to the weak pulses.
My small trifilar solid state can charge 20Ah battery within couple hours but I have 3x 100' of AWG#18. Wire thickness makes a difference.
Also, it takes time to desulfate and format battery with radiant pulse. After that you'll notice much shorter time required to fully charge battery.
Please check my youtube prototype of six filar solid state and the charging rate with large industrial battery. Again, this battery has been reclaimed and formatted before.
I don't use cap pulser with my trifilar. I charge off the bridge rectifier.


Vtech

[salman144]

Multi Coil Solid State

Well i have already made a multi-coil SG (you know that i am discussing that on other thread and you are answering there)..

Can you give a schematic of multi-coil solid state version. .... ?

[minoly]

Well i have already made a multi-coil SG (you know that i am discussing that on other thread and you are answering there)..

Can you give a schematic of multi-coil solid state version. .... ?

your build is already there,
you only need to invert the trigger and add a couple of resistors to one of your transistors:
YouTube - ‪6 FILAR SOLID STATE SG‬‏
I would not put the EC diodes (as per JB). I left them out when I built it and it charges my 110Ah in less than a day.
here it is on a small battery using the same 23/26 awg you have. my wire is 265'
YouTube - ‪min2oly's Channel‬‏
this type of solid state charges fast, however JB notes that with this basic SSG ckt, the wheel is the one that will get you closer to independence.
careful with the HHO

Patrick

[nafanja]

The questions

I re-make SSG Bedini motor and make this scheme

I don't why - but it's work. I have 8 cuircit coil and 5 c.coil.
The 3055 transistors.

The nois from the coil near 440-450 Herz ( a note of 1 octave)...may be this frequency is real. Now i can't to measure this.

But I have a questions. Why it work?

I have 100 Ohm per transistors.

Thye diameter of the wounds near 0.51-0.56 mm. Resistance near 10 Ohm. 700 turns. Air core. Whean I put the welding roes the freqiency coes down and it's stoped.

Why thebattery charge quickly (60 A/ Ah) but 40W buld discharge very fast. I was make near 10-15 cicles. And What the high Vo;tage lever for charge. It's hear a little noise rom batery near 13.6 V, it's HHO...It's normally?