Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[abdlquadri]

help with the patent John Bedini US Patent 2003/0117111A1 - "Device and method for p

While still fiddling with solid state. Maybe I'm stubborn but I do believe there is something in this circuit not revealed to me yet. Meanwhile I found John Bedini US Patent 2003/0117111A1 - "Device and method for pulse charging battery and for driving other devices with pulse". Instead of 555 it runs on SG3524 - allowing full control of duty cycle, two optocouplers, two MJE15024 and four n-channel IRF260. What make a lot of sense is a separate 12V for PWM. Pulser runs on 24 -50V. Capacitor bank is 0.132F. Circuit looks yummy I wonder if anyone tried this yet? I'm gonna try it anyhow but would love to hear any feedback. Oh, I almost forgot - there is no coil


Vtech

hi all, blackchisel97

pls kindly assist with labelling the pwm in this patent (i mean the number of the pins connected to) (link below). Sorry if it sounds dumb, I am no EE. Just learning from projects on the forum and PJKbook.

I would also appreciate a link to a good resource on pwm.


Thanks alot

Device and method for pulse charging ... - Google Patents)

[woodski]

Help Please

I have built my solid state bedini using a 555 timer as a trigger. The trigger is set to be about 290Hz. My problem is that the setup seems to work but the charge time of my capacitor is very slow. It only gains about 0.5V per minute.
I can't draw proper schematic drawings but I sketched out my circuit and attached it.

My thoughts are that the mosfet is a bit weak. What can you suggest.

Thanks.

[citfta]

Hello woodski,

I think I see a couple of problems with your circuit. The 22 ohm resistor between the plus of the battery and the drain of the mosfet is limiting the current through the mosfet and the ability of the mosfet to fully turn on the coil. You shouldn't need that resistor. Just connect the drain directly to the plus of the battery. Also you don't need the diode between the source and the coil. The mosfet already has protective diodes built into it. If you want to add some more protection you could put the cathode of the diode at the drain and the anode of the diode at the source to make sure any reverse spikes would bypass the mosfet. Just connect the source directly to the coil. This way you are not limiting the current through the mosfet or the coil. Hope these ideas give you some help.

Carroll

[SkyWatcher]

Hi folks, Is there a way to get a battery to charge with the radiant spikes while using hardly any input power.
Let me state the facts as many others have already done.
My 12 volt-7 amp hour SLA is charging with the output of 94 milliwatts using the 1 ohm resistor method and at a very good rate of speed.
As others have pointed out, how can this be and moreover, how can we get this charging without using almost 4 watts input to do it as I am with my setup.
There has to be a way.
I mean, if only 94 milliwatts is doing all the charging, then what are we missing.
Granted, it is high voltage spikes with very low current, like a couple milliamps.
Anyone have any ideas on how to achieve those 94 milliwatt spikes while using next to no input power.
How about static electricity type machines or something, I'll be thinking about it.
Also, why doesn't a high voltage, low microfarad cap charge a battery like this does, surely a 200 volt-1uf cap should show the same charging effect with continuous discharges, what are we not seeing here.
peace love light
tyson

[dnewkirk]

I have built my solid state bedini using a 555 timer as a trigger. The trigger is set to be about 290Hz. My problem is that the setup seems to work but the charge time of my capacitor is very slow. It only gains about 0.5V per minute.
I can't draw proper schematic drawings but I sketched out my circuit and attached it. My thoughts are that the mosfet is a bit weak. What can you suggest. Thanks.

The pin out of the IRF820 (looking at it with the leads pointing down) from left to right is Gate-Drain-Source. Your drawing shows the 555 output connected to Drain pin of the power mosfet. Also, on the spec sheet, the channel resistance is given as 3 ohms, as opposed to the typical milliohms of a lesser rated device. Depending on the pulse rate/width and coil impedance, that much Rd-s might hamper charging efficency in the end.
Just my 2 cents. Keep going.

[Virus]

Please share

To work with 100Ah batteries you need either multicoil/multifilar rotor or multifilar solid state and I mean multi not just three windings. Make sure your base resistance is not too high and observe the input draw. Circuit will oscillate with higher than necessary resistance but charging rate may be poor due to the weak pulses.
My small trifilar solid state can charge 20Ah battery within couple hours but I have 3x 100' of AWG#18. Wire thickness makes a difference.
Also, it takes time to desulfate and format battery with radiant pulse. After that you'll notice much shorter time required to fully charge battery.
Please check my youtube prototype of six filar solid state and the charging rate with large industrial battery. Again, this battery has been reclaimed and formatted before.
I don't use cap pulser with my trifilar. I charge off the bridge rectifier.


Vtech

Hi V-tech

I am replicating your solid state JB charger, can you please post the connection wiring to the bridge rectifier as it fits into the rest of the circuit, I am using a single diode but think that a FWBR will be beter and also how you connected your multitier coil, in the picture looks like one of the wires of the coil are bridged?

Thanks

Virus

[blackchisel97]

Hi V-tech

I am replicating your solid state JB charger, can you please post the connection wiring to the bridge rectifier as it fits into the rest of the circuit, I am using a single diode but think that a FWBR will be beter and also how you connected your multitier coil, in the picture looks like one of the wires of the coil are bridged?

Thanks

Virus

Hi Virus, This one was (I had to sell it ) based on trifilar - transformer style coil. What that means is that coil has three windings with same type and length of wire, so it is like a transformer 1:1:1. While first two are connected in typical SSG (with exception - there is no output diode from collector) third winding is connected directly to the AC pins of bridge rectifier. Both, "+" and "-" are connected to the charging battery, according to polarity. I built a few variations of this circuit before, experimenting mainly with wire thickness and length. I found AWG#18 giving nice strong pulse and 100' length optimal.
Of course, it will work with thinner wire so if you have 20,21, or 24 available - us it.

V

[minoly]

SS SSG with no trigger wire

Here I go again, SS SSG…

Anyone looking for a great charger to prove concept w/o having to shell out too much $$’s

MJE13009G NPN - $1.00
Power coil primary + to collector – $14.00 home depot house wire for thermostat
1n4007 C to charge + 10 cents
1n914 E to B 10 cents
Primary battery 6 volts (hooked up as per SSG) 5-10 dollars
Charge battery 12 volts (hooked up as per SSG) $20.00
Total $45.20 + tax and shipping including batteries - or $15.20 w/ your own batteries.


I use the trigger coil with 1n4007 and 260ohm resistor to base ONLY to get the oscillations started; it is then removed from the system.
The vid shows the oscillations and the voltages it’s like watching paint dry no real need. But there it is:

2 questions I have –

First, why is does it continue to oscillate when I remove the trigger. Is it as simple as capacitance in the coil verses breakdown voltage of the transistor? Is that switching diode doing some sort of trickery?

Second, I show the scope across E C with a clear perfect sin wave pattern 20volts peak to peak – no batteries hooked up. I have since taken the coil outside away from the house, the sin wave is persistent. What else can I do to isolate where that sin wave could be coming from? I cannot rectify the wave upon connecting the charge battery, and upon connecting the primary, the sin wave goes away.

Solid State JB's SSG - YouTube

Anyway it sure does charge well and will not take much for anyone to replicate. The batteries are important. 6 volt to 6 volt does charge but not as well.

Patrick

[blackchisel97]

Patrick, if I may suggest; make your coil tighter (smaller ID) and use tie bands to secure together. I made while ago solid state (inverted trigger) with salvaged phone cable (multifilar). Despite the wire being thin it did work well. I wound on shorted plastic spool from florist (ribbon spool) to make job easier. I found beefier (shorter) coils working better than slim and tall. I wonder if anyone tried Mobius aircoil made with the above? They have a "twist" and tend to hold flux within. Even trifilar, with third winding going to the bridge. Just a

V

[chuck H]

Hydrate crystal cell (semiconductor solid state) charging

This video shows the sealed hydrate cells running in a primary and secondary configuration and running the LED. The voltage and amperage goes up on the secondary cells and the osc circuit still lights the LED bright. This is not something that needs to be done we are only showing that it can be done. This would be better on a NiMh battery which we will show later.


Crystal battery charging crystal battery - YouTube

I put a NiMh AAA battery on this circuit last Friday. It was at about .8V as I had ran it dead and left it on a osc circuit all night. Today the AAA NiMh is at 1.166V. I put 4 of the Sealed hydrate cells in parallel to do this. We will try to show a video of this later

I'm only posting here for the benefit of those that don't get over to the earth light tread as this semiconductor (solid state) power source is part of the solid state osc circuit JohnBedini and I build. Hope this is not a distraction to this thread.

Chuck

[blackchisel97]

This video shows the sealed hydrate cells running in a primary and secondary configuration and running the LED. The voltage and amperage goes up on the secondary cells and the osc circuit still lights the LED bright. This is not something that needs to be done we are only showing that it can be done. This would be better on a NiMh battery which we will show later.


Crystal battery charging crystal battery - YouTube

I put a NiMh AAA battery on this circuit last Friday. It was at about .8V as I had ran it dead and left it on a osc circuit all night. Today the AAA NiMh is at 1.166V. I put 4 of the Sealed hydrate cells in parallel to do this. We will try to show a video of this later

I'm only posting here for the benefit of those that don't get over to the earth light tread as this semiconductor (solid state) power source is part of the solid state osc circuit JohnBedini and I build. Hope this is not a distraction to this thread.

Chuck

Thank you Chuck John and you are the last people on Earth that need to worry about distracting. It is much appreciated.

Vtech

[Virus]

FWBR and solid state Bedini

Thanks V-tech

I did connect the FWBR as you said, I measured ±400v DC across a capacitor, I need to bring the volts down it is too high for smaller batteries. It charges a 7 amp SLA bat, in 3 hours, to 15.47 volts, battery will stay on this volts for about 15 - 30 minutes before its temp goes up. I have noticed the battery temp lowers about 1.5 degrees C when you start charging it in the first 20 minutes.

HELP Please: I use a 40 meter (131 feet) 5 strands of 0.95 mm litz wound wire on a 80 mm x 80 mm round coil, I use 1 of the strands as a trigger coil (positive trigger) and 1 as a power/driver coil. The remaining 3 wires paired together and connected to the FWBR, coil oscillates and gives me the above mentioned output, ± 400 volts DC measured across a capacitor.

Current draw min 650 ma at 14.5 volt, max 1.35 amps at 14.5 volts, 1 use a MJL21194 to drive the power coil, with base resistor 220 ohms 3watts, RX 0 – 500 ohm reostate 5 watts, Base to Collector 20 k ohms, and Base to Emitter 10 K ohms on the MJL21194 as per V-tech's 6 transistor solid state video.

Question: I have tried to get the current down to the required 250 milli amps per transistor and thus lower the output voltage, I have taken the RX to 500 ohms, brings the amps draw to 650ma, I have connected a 400 ohms 20 watt resistor in series with the 500 ohm reostate, makes it a total of 900 ohms, current draw stays at 650 ma, even if I ad more resistance to the RX amps stay at 650 ma?

Please your input guys how can I get the current draw lower?

@ V-tech have you thought of using JB scalar north facing magnets in your 6 coiler you are building?

Thanks
V

[minoly]

Please your input guys how can I get the current draw lower?

V

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post171806

[blackchisel97]

Thanks V-tech

I did connect the FWBR as you said, I measured ±400v DC across a capacitor, I need to bring the volts down it is too high for smaller batteries. It charges a 7 amp SLA bat, in 3 hours, to 15.47 volts, battery will stay on this volts for about 15 - 30 minutes before its temp goes up. I have noticed the battery temp lowers about 1.5 degrees C when you start charging it in the first 20 minutes.

HELP Please: I use a 40 meter (131 feet) 5 strands of 0.95 mm litz wound wire on a 80 mm x 80 mm round coil, I use 1 of the strands as a trigger coil (positive trigger) and 1 as a power/driver coil. The remaining 3 wires paired together and connected to the FWBR, coil oscillates and gives me the above mentioned output, ± 400 volts DC measured across a capacitor. Correction: My trifilar has third winding going to the bridge. Sixfilar has 5 MJL's, not one. You can use it as is or use separate bridge for each power winding and parallel them together at DC side. With cap across your bridge and charging battery disconnected output voltage may climb to even more than that. I did experience that once, trying to fix terminal connection. My arm went numb for a few minutes. There is also a risk of blowing cap. I never operate without charging battery connected.

Current draw min 650 ma at 14.5 volt, max 1.35 amps at 14.5 volts, 1 use a MJL21194 to drive the power coil, with base resistor 220 ohms 3watts, RX 0 – 500 ohm reostate 5 watts, Base to Collector 20 k ohms, and Base to Emitter 10 K ohms on the MJL21194 as per V-tech's 6 transistor solid state video.

Question: I have tried to get the current down to the required 250 milli amps per transistor and thus lower the output voltage, I have taken the RX to 500 ohms, brings the amps draw to 650ma, I have connected a 400 ohms 20 watt resistor in series with the 500 ohm reostate, makes it a total of 900 ohms, current draw stays at 650 ma, even if I ad more resistance to the RX amps stay at 650 ma? It seems that your circuit choose this spot for a reason

Please your input guys how can I get the current draw lower?

Your current draw for such coil is correct. 250mA is base current for MJL, not total input draw. My trifilar solid state was pulling 1.3 - 1.5A with AWG18. It would be better to find best charging spot and replace rheostat with resistor and 12V bulb in series. Bulb will act as dynamic trigger resistor, since it changes resistance with variable current flow (cold bulb - low resistance, glowing - higher). You could probably use small automotive 12V5W bulb and adjust rheostat to barely glow in dark room. Then turn into higher resistance, just a tiny bit. Measure rheostat and replace with fixed resistor.

@ V-tech have you thought of using JB scalar north facing magnets in your 6 coiler you are building?

I did one setup with superpole configuration. In order to get it right, magnets need to be matched very well (Gauss value). Simplest but not very precise way is a paperclip test.
Resulting poles are extending further but are very sharp, thous, matching magnets is very important. With mismatch magnets tuning maybe difficult and resulting wave form not pretty. Using neodymium maybe even more Interesting but proper cradle needs to be made to clamp and secure them together. Also, non magnetic shaft, bearings and surrounding is very important. John Bedini has very nice sketch of such field on his front page. I printed and keep on the wall above my bench.
I'm hoping to go back to the scalar component effect experiments and applications of Caduceus Coil. This is very intriguing field and I believe there is more than one application it can be used for.
There is an interesting experiment with two magnets forced in repelling mode and coil wound around. Coil needs to be pulsed. Certain beneficial effects can be observed.

Thanks
V

[blackchisel97]

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post171806

That's neat

Thanks
V