Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[Sephiroth]

Haven't been having great success with the SS yet though gradually improving as I tweak it.

I have a few questions.

Aaron - what is the purpose of the resistor on the negative side of the circuit? Wouldn't that just reduce the voltage supplied to the coil?

Also you have recommended using high capacity caps that are discharged a few volts above the charging voltage. However, I have only ever heard bedini recommend discharging low farad caps at high voltage.

Am I right in thinking that discharging the caps using your system is more like a standard charge and so the batteries can be swapped, whereas bedini's method is more of a radiant charge and so isn't as good at running inductive loads? You said pulsing the caps at high voltage creates a "fluffy" charge, though surely Bedini would have noticed this.

[Aaron]

high cap discharge

The fluffy voltage was probably because I didn't have everything right.

I just left that resistor there on one variation because that is how I discovered the oscillating effect back then. I had too high of resistance that with the way the aetheric gas operates, it forced like a water hammer effect in my opinion that caused it to oscillate.

I would put the resistors like Bedini's schematics. Most of those you can find in the patent database. United States Patent and Trademark Office Home Page

When I was doing high capacitance discharges, it was about 7 years ago. When I kept doing it to the batts, they kept climbing after everything was turned off. Draining those batts with bulbs, charging back up same way, etc.... repeat...the light burned more joules of energy than what I could calculate leaving the input. Even accounting for a 100% duty cycle leaving the front...saying the input battery is turned on longer than it really was, was more out than in. The input voltage was accurate...measuring current leaving, that could have been inaccurate. Bottom line, they were super batteries compared to before they were charged this way. But anyway, the results were astonishing. I rotated batts, it was amazing to see. I don't believe the lead ions in the battery are simply in "momentum" and that is why they keep charging. The aether is entrained at the terminals of the output battery and that is why it keeps charging in my opinion. Based on Tesla's explanations in Secrets of Cold War Technology, that is what makes sense to me.

[gosho]

Guys, I have a little problem with this scheme. When I turn the power on after about five seconds the 1k potentiometer is starting to smoke and burns. Do you know why is this happening? Thanks.

[theremart]

Hi

Guys, I have a little problem with this scheme. When I turn the power on after about five seconds the 1k potentiometer is starting to smoke and burns. Do you know why is this happening? Thanks.

Smoke is a bad thing, as they used to say, that is electricity leaking turn it off

Anyhow, are you using the old or the new circuit? ( see earlier in this thread for the corrections to the book )

When I get my SS here, and working I hope to give the specs for parts that do work, where I got them and the part numbers. I think we need a beginners guide to the Solid State Bedini. I think we can point people to the book for the schematic, but, give a parts list, and corrections to the books schematic.

I would hope that the publisher would create a page for the corrected schematic, but with a requirement that you type the word from page like 59, paragraph 4, in order to get it.

I am hearing people smoking parts on building this, I think we could build a best practice guide to building the solid state Bedini.

My first step is to build this, I hope the right way.....

[Bodkins]

This is not bedini ss schematic

Hi all been working hard on my 555 timer pulse ss and having some success.
My layout is bi wired coil 555 variable trigger across the emita and base,
the thing is im charging two batterys at different points.

The first charging battery is the standed bedini setup.
the secord charging battery is from the old trigger wire to the 555 battery.
I always thought the trigger on the sg was a waste of energy so by going ss in can use the charge in the trigger!

This solid state can also be used as a sg by using a reed switch to connect the 555 to the E and B. the coil can pulse alot more time with each magnet past like this.

Now im concetrating on the earth battery copper sulphar postive diode and nickel negative. O And condiscaing the batterys.
Hope this helps somebody.


Sorry about he spelling im dyslicsick

[Bodkins]

Last night left my ss charging over night.
Mistake the pulse rate drop so low it drain the primary battery, was reading 5volts in the morning which is a nightmare.(my 555 battery dosent charge like i thought),

So i swap the batterys around one reading 5volt the other reading 12voltish
6 hours later both batterys read 11.50 volt.COOL!

trying over night again will post result in the morning.
good luck everone i can see a breakthouht coming!

[Philosopher]

Hello People!
Experimenting with this circuit,have you noticed the conductive plastic effect and the RF blue/green discharge from the capacitor as seen on the Bedini video?

I want to build the circuit posted here,( http://waterfuel.t35.com/zpe_bedini_solid.html ),But I havent the correct wire size.The best I have is 0,5mm dia magnet wire.Do you thing that using the same copper mass of the original circuit will work the same?.Thank you.

Regards,
Cyrano

[Sephiroth]

I am incredibly puzzled...

Still experimenting with solid state and getting some very encouraging results...

but not the way I want to

My best results have been with discharging high farad capacitors a few volts over the charging voltage. (Aaron's method)

But John uses high voltage discharges so I would expect that to perform better...

but I have just run a 24 hour test discharging a 160uf cap 100v above the charging voltage every second and the battery has only gone up .03v in all that time!!!! when using high farad caps the batteries would be fully charged by now!

These are very well conditioned batteries so I can not understand why the charging effect is so poor with high voltage.

Anyone care to comment?

[theremart]

RE: struggling with the SS Bedini

I am incredibly puzzled...

Still experimenting with solid state and getting some very encouraging results...

but not the way I want to

My best results have been with discharging high farad capacitors a few volts over the charging voltage. (Aaron's method)

But John uses high voltage discharges so I would expect that to perform better...

but I have just run a 24 hour test discharging a 160uf cap 100v above the charging voltage every second and the battery has only gone up .03v in all that time!!!! when using high farad caps the batteries would be fully charged by now!

These are very well conditioned batteries so I can not understand why the charging effect is so poor with high voltage.

Anyone care to comment?

I have my parts for this on order...

If Aaron's metod proves better I will switch over to building that setup..

Mart

[ren]

Seph, I have switched over to the larger capacitance caps now, though I still have my small 33uF250v solidstate. It seems to charge faster if the frequency of the dump is faster, like say 10 times a second. Of course this doesnt allow for as much of a voltage build up. It will still charge either way though. Im thinking now that the larger capacitance may be the way to go?

[patmac]

I've tried simulate Bedini Solid State Osc

Thinking on mathematic model of Bedini Solid State, I think can be a little better Bedni Mechanical Osc in some points; because:

If you look Bedini Mechanical, is a oscilating system, but oscilation is not only one frecuency.

Bedini Mechanical OSC (Bedini motors SG, SSG etc) is a oscilator that puch to maximal performance possible, because switching by the trigger coil is near to be perfect; is like a pendulum as said Tesla someday, if you push a swing always in the exact moment, oscilation is higher everytime, only using the same energy in each push. That is Bedini SG for me, magnet pass on the core coil, and the coil push the magnet in the exact moment where the speed is'nt very important, meanwhile Bedini Solid State depend on Coils Calculation and exact solid state oscilators switching.

How do you can to know exact moment to push the swing?

Personally I like Bedini Mechanical because is like a pendulum.

Please if I'm very wrong please reply me immediately and I'll change this post....

Thanks. I'm wating for answers from everybody.... Excuse for my English, I'm learning....

[Karl_Palsness]

I built the Solid State oscillator several months ago. I learned 4 things that might be of interest to some of you. I got better results from the oscillator when I switched to Silver Coated Wire, I think I used 20G or 22G wire. I found that when using a Magnetite core the output was stronger and I used less input energy. The final comment is that in order for it to start oscillating I had to remove one of the 2 magnets and gently drop it on one end of the core to start the oscillating. I used Neodymium magnets on each end with the orientation the same as if the magnets were attracted to each other and the core in the middle. I fingered this out when my core started to self oscillate when I was using it on the motor with the silver coated wire and the wheel was not turning. I have not used this since I started using the same idea on a triode and was getting better results with that. I am still using the Magnetite for my triode core.


Karl

[Sephiroth]

anyone tried using a toroid on an oscillator? I can't get mine to self oscillate... it is air core, about 6 inches diameter and wrapped with 4 layers trifilar...

I suspect I may need more turns....

[ren]

Seph I have tried. You may have more luck with more turns but I would suggest using a 555 timer circuit, similar to the capacitive discharge try fire a fet or transistor which pulses your primary. Search for 555 tesla coil in google, there is a good site with a simple circuit for a tv flyback transformer. It is remarkably similar to the CD pulser in layout.

[Sephiroth]

Thanks ren! The 555 is a really good idea!

Though I just got the toroid self oscillating last night Hurray! It takes far less resistance than I expected.

I was hoping to see some odd behavior with a toroid instead of using a standard solenoid...

First impressions are good... started it this morning with 1kohm resistance and the amp draw was 300ma... 8 hours later it has dropped to 120ma...

15ah battery has charged from 12.41 (resting) to 12.88 (charging) in that time so it does the job...

I'll leave it for a bit longer to see if the amps continue to drop then I'll get some cop measurements.