Bedini Solid State Oscillators

[cowboyrx]

Someone mentioned that the source battery could be a 12V solar panel. Has anyone experimented with one or has opinions?

Also, is it possible to modify the circuit that prevents overcharging the battery; like this circuit does?
Automatic 12V Lead Acid Battery Charger

[Filibuster]

diode

Hi Theremart,
the diode on the 555 is in parallel to R2 between Pin 6 and 7, the strip to the Pin 6 side

[theremart]

RE: solar charging

Someone mentioned that the source battery could be a 12V solar panel. Has anyone experimented with one or has opinions?

Also, is it possible to modify the circuit that prevents overcharging the battery; like this circuit does?
Automatic 12V Lead Acid Battery Charger

There is a thread on this topic here...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...bedini-sg.html


The first post in the thread gives Bedini's advice.

What I have done in my solar charging is use a very low wattage solar panel -15 W to charge a battery up to full charge then I use this on the Bedini. I am not worried about a 15 W solar panel cooking my semi batteries. The better way to go is a controller at least in my experience for large solar panels so you can set it and forget it. But I monitor my solar panels every day and as soon as one battery is charged I yank it off and put it on to charge other batteries with the Bedini. I don't have my SS fully working to full speed yet, but it is getting there at last.

Renaissance Charge - Intelligent Solutions to Premature Battery Failure has a solar charger in development for some time now, but I don't know how long it will be till it comes on the market.

Also this group is VERY into solar charging and using wind for power, very creative group.

gotwind.org FORUM - Click here to post comments/questions - Powered by ForumCo.com - The Forum Company

Cheers !

[theremart]

Ok.... Diode

Hi Theremart,
the diode on the 555 is in parallel to R2 between Pin 6 and 7, the strip to the Pin 6 side

So you are not changing anything in the circuit, but adding this inline if I understand you. Not replacing any leads, but adding this to the circuit.

Do I understand you correctly?

I really think my circuit needs this to slow down the firing.

[Filibuster]

Diode

Yes,
see 555 timer

[Shamus]

There is one basic question: Is the event happening in the coil or in the battery? Any ideas or suggestions?

I think the answer is both: It's definitely in the coil as a simple experiment I posted in another thread (started by Amigo and I think was called 'analogue vs. solid state') will prove to you. And from what I've read of Bedini's material something happens in the battery as well--though I don't entirely understand the process that occurs there.

[Hoppy]

Hi Hoppy,
on the primary i use a 140’ 3 strand ECW, 22AWG, triggered by a MJ15024 and a 3 K base resistor. It resonates in the 2kHz range. I thought a higher frequency and lower current draw is good, but if I reduce the resistor, the resonance freq will drop and the current draw will increase. Is this the way to do or to wind an entire new coil? Is it then useful to wind additional strands ? They can add on the power. Any experience which dumping frequency range will work for which battery?
There is one basic question: Is the event happening in the coil or in the battery? Any ideas or suggestions?

Hi Filibuster

I use a very simple blocking oscillator where the trigger / feedback winding is wired out of phase with the power winding. Looking at the two windings side by side, the bottom of the feedback winding is connected directly to the positive supply rail and the top is wired through a current limiting resistor to the transistor base. The resisior needs to be a high wattage wirewound resistor. A rheostat can be used as a variable resistor. This simple oscillator will give very fast rise time pulses and will start relaibly. Ensure that you fit a diode (IN4001) between base and emitter as with the vanilla SG, otherwise you could easily damage the transistor.

Your coil should be OK but you will probably decide to beef it up at some stage when you are more familiar with everything. I stick to 100ft strand length or less to keep impedance down. Multiple strands will give more power and this is the way to go when charging big battery banks.

The consensus opinion with dumping is not to dump very high voltages across the battery. One or two volts above battery voltage as measured directly across the cap is sufficient. The cap value will determine the dump frequency which should be adjusted to give optimum performance for a particular battery. I suggest you do not go above about 20V above battery terminal voltage because there is an awful lot of power in the discharge pulses.

The theory says that environmental negative energy is captured in the coil and transmutated to positive energy in the cap. However, I have no worthwhile opinion about whether this is in fact the case.

Hoppy

[Filibuster]

Hi Hoppy,
is there any advantage to wire the triggerloop out of phase as compared to connecting the one end to the minuspole? Has the resonance freq of the primary to be adjusted to a specific frequency also ?

[ldissing]

Ok if I understand you correctly the connection coming off 7 you put a diode, do you put the stripe near 7 or near 7 or near 6? You are saying replace the wire now coming off 7 with a diode right? Or... are you adding the diode in with the present circuit?

I just added a diode (to the original circuit) from pin 7 to pin 6 with the "line" at the pin 6 side. The cathode is to pin 6, the anode to pin 7. The reason that the 555 is always greater than a 50% duty cycle, is that the discharge is through the combination of the resistor values, the diode allows a bypass. You might need to increase the value of the 330 ohm resistor, I used a 1K ohm resistor. By using this diode, you can make it less than 50% as long as the other resistor is bigger than 1K (or 330 ohms based on the original circuit).

I'm not saying this is a good thing to do, it was just interesting how I was hammered by the moderator and my post was not even allowed into the forum...at least as I remember it was not allowed.

L

[ldissing]

AV Plug and the Bedini circuit

I've read so much in all these forums that I can remember if anybody reported doing the AV plug with the solid state oscillators.

I can report that I can run a 12 V motor (it is a rather small one, but bigger than the radio shack motors) by taking only one side of the third wire on the tri-fillar coil and putting a motor in there with two diodes and the motor will run. If I kick the input voltage to 24 V, the motor is screaming (running incredibly fast) ....it was pretty cool. I didn't think it would work, but it does in fact work...and I can do it on either side of the wire. It makes no difference. I can even put one AV plug on one side and one on the other with a motor on each one and the two motors run although a little slower. The oscillations changed form with a motor on the AV plug, which was interesting. They were about 3 times faster using the AV plug than without.

L

[theremart]

RE: Diode

Just put a diode from pin 7 to pin 6 with the "line" at the pin 6 side. The cathode is to pin 6, the anode to pin 7. The reason that the 555 is always greater than a 50% duty cycle, is that the discharge is through the combination of the resistor values, the diode allows a bypass. You might need to increase the value of the 330 ohm resistor, I used a 1K ohm resistor. By using this diode, you can make it less than 50% as long as the other resistor is bigger than 1K (or 330 ohms based on the original circuit).

I'm not saying this is a good thing to do, it was just interesting how I was hammered by the moderator and my post was not even allowed into the forum...at least as I remember it was not allowed.

L

Thanks that is very clear.

I guess we can learn from the monopole group3 and know not to beat people up for fresh new ideas.

I think if one does make modifications, they should at least have the basic model working first. That being said, the problem I see with the Solid State Bedini, there is not a basic model to copy. There is a schematic that is wrong in the book, wrong in the updated version sent with the book, and no specs for the batteries for which you are too hook up to.

It says on page 112 paragraph 5, 200 ma input... but no reference to the battery input or output sizes.

There are many reasons for a second edition of this book. In the mean time, I am very happy to be part of this growing community that is growing and sharing our success and failures, and wild ideas!

[ldissing]

I think the updated schematic is correct. The pins on the opto were renumbered which is all that was incorrect to my recollection. There were two pages added which corrected the pin reversals for the cap dump circuit, one for the SS and one for the SSG.

I believe that is a pretty basic model to put together. You are right in that he doesn't say what battery sizes to use or SCR to use. That is where "bench testing" that JB always talks about comes in. I wish it were easier...do this and use this and you're in business, but we never get that, so that is why these forums are so important.

I'm using different SCRs, but an S6008 works (600V sensitive) just fine. I think the reason that the SCR needs such a high voltage rating is for the "sneaky" HV pulses that get through with the original circuit...With the diode in there, not very many pulses will get through. And if you use a NE-2, none will get through, because the SCR will never see more than 120V.

I'm still not sure why it requires 1 amp of input to do something on these circuits. JB always says 1 amp is the magical number for one coil. There is a saturation region in the transistors, which is what were are trying to hit, but not go over, so I need to do some more investigation into this saturation region for the specific transistor I'm using...MJL21194 I believe. I've run this at 50 volts, so those transistors are really good.

[theremart]

RE: Updated schematic

I think the updated schematic is correct. The pins on the opto were renumbered which is all that was incorrect to my recollection. There were two pages added which corrected the pin reversals for the cap dump circuit, one for the SS and one for the SSG.

Ok, I don't know what page you got, but mine says Pin 4 of opto to B of transistor, and pin 5 of opto to the SCR. Not correct.

Page 47 of the book is correct ( in regards with the opto) Pin 5 of opto to B of transistor, and pin 4 of opto to the SCR. At least mine works that way.

[ldissing]

You did great, the waveforms are correct. for the Iron core it's working fine, air core is next 2.5 k to 25 Khz. Measure the radiant current and wave form by using a coil to pass the discharge wire through. be very careful if you get it up in power as it is close to your nerve impulses. The stair step looks just like Beardens analogy. Great work keeps going. That waveform can do wonders not fully explored yet. That is Tesla's time wave that he talked about. Great scope shots. Thanks for posting this. You can bias the core with a week magnet, power will increase in only one direction try it you will see. you can control the Bloch wall of the coil, additive energy sucked from the magnet.

Where is it that you obtained the waveform? Was it on the collector of the transistor (on the input coil) or on the capacitor? Or some other place?

You input would be helpful to me...thanks.

L

[ldissing]

Capacitor Sizes

I'm still confused as to the capacitor size. If it is the dV/Dt that causes a radiant event in the battery, then a smaller cap (not too small) that can be charged to a high voltage, should realize a radiant event where than a 10000 uF cap that is only charged to 16 volts will just produce normal charging (except if the energy stored in the cap is actually "radiant" energy).

JB says that the cap is a transducer of radiant, so if it is transduced then is it not "normal" energy? I don't have the answer, so I'd be glad for some other opinions.

L