Solid State Bedini

[dambit]

@ Jetijs ,

Has it been determined that any of the Bedini Solid State chargers have a cop>1? Talking to Peter Lindemann, he conveyed that the first S.G. Motor indeed had a cop>1. Do you know if it is only the motor-based chargers that go >1?

Thanks,

Greg

Hi Greg,

The chargers themselves will almost never exhibit COP>1, because we can't measure the radient. The extra energy is made up in the batteries. IMO the only true way to measure the benifit of these chargers is to measure and compare the discharge rates of identicle batteries, first new and then conditioned.

At least until we get a radient amp meter.

Cheers,

Steve

[Mavrick23]

new and used batteries?

Hi Greg,

The chargers themselves will almost never exhibit COP>1, because we can't measure the radient. The extra energy is made up in the batteries. IMO the only true way to measure the benifit of these chargers is to measure and compare the discharge rates of identicle batteries, first new and then conditioned.

At least until we get a radient amp meter.

Cheers,

Steve

I may be missing something as I am not real experienced in this though I have built several solid state and monopole energizers. I believe the COP of a system includes the batteries and would be determined by the power from the primary, compared to the power out of the battery in a load test that is repeated untill you have stablized results. It is also known that a well conditioned battery will give better results than one that is not conditioned. But why would you establish the cop of a system by comparing different batteries?

Michael L

[nilrehob]

charging caps

Has anyone noticed the effect proposed by lamare?
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...html#post51885

Charging of caps should be done in series, and dumping in parallel.

I did some tests (later in same thread) and it seems rather interesting!

It's very strange, this simple principle seems to work text-book-wise, in a simulator and even in real life, so I must be doing something wrong
So please tell me in which way this is erroneous because I can't figure it out!

[dambit]

I may be missing something as I am not real experienced in this though I have built several solid state and monopole energizers. I believe the COP of a system includes the batteries and would be determined by the power from the primary, compared to the power out of the battery in a load test that is repeated untill you have stablized results. It is also known that a well conditioned battery will give better results than one that is not conditioned. But why would you establish the cop of a system by comparing different batteries?

Michael L

Hi,

You are correct. I did leave out the power supplied to charge the batteries Vs power out from charged batteries. Oh and the comparison of new and conditioned batteries is only that, a comparison.

In my defence I had only been awake for 20min when I wrote that. Opps

Cheers,

Steve

[Mark]

Hey guys,

Discovered something different today. I have a coil with 1 26awg triggar and (3) 20awg power windings. I was running my supper pole ssg with just 2 of the windings and could here it start to oscilate (spell) and would stop the rotor. Now my input amp would go up but so would the charge battery so I'd run it like that awhile. Then I decided to take one of the other power wires and put it in series with the first one. The amp draw went down and my charge rate and spike went up. So I added the last wire in series and the amp draw droped again and spike got even higher. I can chage a 250 volt cap to over 450 volts in just a couple of seconds. Has anyone else tried this?
I was going to add more transistors to the other wires but dont see any reason too.

[Aaron]

cap safety

Mark,

I would use bigger caps...overcharging caps can make them explode like little sticks of dynamite.

I have done similar with my multifilar coils...putting the windings in series and even wiring them like Tesla bifilar style, which I don't think anyone else is doing that I've seen.

[Mark]

LOL, Yea I know I have bigger caps but dont normally unhook my charge battery just wanted to see how fast my cap was charging. I only had the wire off for maybe 2 seconds and it was already to 400 volts. Thanks for the caution I have had a cap blow before and it scared the crap out of me!

[gmeast]

Cap sizes

Hi all,

I'm sure I bought the wrong caps. What should be the voltage ratings for the caps used in the solid state circuit of Figure 33 from page 46 of the "Circuits and Schematics" book? I have the corrected version (loose insert came with my book).

3.3uF = ?
1 uF = ?

Now the 1uF cap is shown as non-electrolytic, yes? What type ... big polyester film, orange drop, or what?

Thanks in advance,

Greg

[Jetijs]

Greg, the 1uF cap can be any type of cap, its only purpose is to set the 555 timer frequency. In this case only the capacity is important. The bigger the capacity, the smaller the 555 chip signal frequency. I am not sure about the 3.3uF cap, should probably be a cap that can discharge very fast. I would try something like polypropylene film pulse caps.

[N O G]

Forward feeding the trigger in solid state SSG

(SSG circuit )(for experienced builders/not for begginers )The best results i found a while ago was to forward feed the trigger for soild state mode making the coil fire like the motor runs (no continuous firing/meaning there is a 0 volts time between the two firing times/most times standard SSG circuits that SELF resonate let the current catch up giving fluffy charges) This was done by connecting a resistor in between the power wire negative terminal on coil and base and a resistor between the input negative and the base, added to a standard SSG setup (around 33kohms on coil side and 22kohms on other side/start with higher resistances of course and KEEP higher resistance on coil side)the coil side resistor lets a small amount of current to the base the other helps limit that flow so the SSG circuit HAS to have an on/off switch on the positive input to the coil or the transistor will GET HOT OR BURN UP from the current to the base through the extra two resistors (mostly if the motor is switched on and not firing/BEWARE/this happens usally when the normal trigger resistance is to low)This is best adapted to a rotor SSG circuit that runs and your familiar with in tuning.It is best tuned with a 1kohm1watt or higher potentiometer and a resistor on the normal trigger setup(this works opposite to the normal adjustments in this solid state setup/more resistance equals more input amps till there's a level out).So its a balance between normal tuning and the two extra resistors aswell .Once you find the balance you'll see definite 0 volts between firing thats adjustable in width from the normal trigger resistance once on and running (ive got some circuits that can be adjusted from one pulse every half second to multiple pulses per millisecond) ( normal SSG setup is better with rotor but this solid state setup can run a rotor/aswell as air core solid state and multicoil setups as i have built them all) When adjusted right you can connect a solar panel and a cap (about 20000uf) to the input (the benefit is as the sun first comes up the cap fills and turns the solid state SSG on till the cap runs out so you are utilizing the panel before it has enough potential to charge that battery and when the panel can it will simply keep going and riding on the solar panels changing output throughout the day and doing what it did in the morning in the afternoon as the sun goes down) with the panel setup you can leave the on/off switch on overnight.This runs good of a power pack aswell.Loads discharged at(c/20) on charged batteries preform very good.A normal few hundred turn bifiler coil on average will use about half an amp roughly in this setup and will charge up to 7ah batteries most times at a good rate(depends on the battery)...hope my ideas help...

[Hoppy]

Hey guys,

I can chage a 250 volt cap to over 450 volts in just a couple of seconds. Has anyone else tried this?
I was going to add more transistors to the other wires but dont see any reason too.

Mark

This is fine for for conditioning batteries but if you intend to charge a big battery bank then multi-strand / transistor working is needed to generate the necessary high voltage and sufficient current to charge a battery bank at a practical rate. High voltage with little current will take a long time to charge big batteries. Also, go for forward triggering as Nog suggests.

A low current / high voltage energiser will lower the internal resistance of a battery by desulfation - even a new battery - over a large number of charge / discharge cycles. Although this will allow the energiser to charge a battery quicker as it becomes progressively conditioned over many cycles, the charge rate will primarily depend on the available charging current. It is therefore a matter of building the energiser / charger powerful enough to charge at an acceptable rate for the required application.

Hoppy

[N O G]

Enery from the vacuum 10 released

...Just letting everyone know part 10 has been released...

[wwdotme]

Hi all
I'm running 2 SS's in parrelel.( basicly 2 SSG's with higher resistants to get an oscilation)
My question is teh frequency goes up and down pulling about 100 mA difference in the supply. Is this adjustable by changing resistance around?
when it goes high my charge Volts jump almost half a volt.

Thanks WW

[dambit]

(SSG circuit )(for experienced builders/not for begginers )The best results i found a while ago was to forward feed the trigger for soild state mode making the coil fire like the motor runs (no continuous firing/meaning there is a 0 volts time between the two firing times/most times standard SSG circuits that SELF resonate let the current catch up giving fluffy charges) This was done by connecting a resistor in between the power wire negative terminal on coil and base and a resistor between the input negative and the base, added to a standard SSG setup (around 33kohms on coil side and 22kohms on other side/start with higher resistances of course and KEEP higher resistance on coil side)the coil side resistor lets a small amount of current to the base the other helps limit that flow so the SSG circuit HAS to have an on/off switch on the positive input to the coil or the transistor will GET HOT OR BURN UP from the current to the base through the extra two resistors (mostly if the motor is switched on and not firing/BEWARE/this happens usally when the normal trigger resistance is to low)This is best adapted to a rotor SSG circuit that runs and your familiar with in tuning.It is best tuned with a 1kohm1watt or higher potentiometer and a resistor on the normal trigger setup(this works opposite to the normal adjustments in this solid state setup/more resistance equals more input amps till there's a level out).So its a balance between normal tuning and the two extra resistors aswell .Once you find the balance you'll see definite 0 volts between firing thats adjustable in width from the normal trigger resistance once on and running (ive got some circuits that can be adjusted from one pulse every half second to multiple pulses per millisecond) ( normal SSG setup is better with rotor but this solid state setup can run a rotor/aswell as air core solid state and multicoil setups as i have built them all) When adjusted right you can connect a solar panel and a cap (about 20000uf) to the input (the benefit is as the sun first comes up the cap fills and turns the solid state SSG on till the cap runs out so you are utilizing the panel before it has enough potential to charge that battery and when the panel can it will simply keep going and riding on the solar panels changing output throughout the day and doing what it did in the morning in the afternoon as the sun goes down) with the panel setup you can leave the on/off switch on overnight.This runs good of a power pack aswell.Loads discharged at(c/20) on charged batteries preform very good.A normal few hundred turn bifiler coil on average will use about half an amp roughly in this setup and will charge up to 7ah batteries most times at a good rate(depends on the battery)...hope my ideas help...

Hi NOG,

Do you have a schematic for this setup? As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Cheers,

Steve.

[pvar06]

Hi Jetijs,

I have replicated the page46 circuit of FEG Book. Currently kept one bettery for testing and it is slowly improving.

Just I came across your classic circuit so thought of replicating and testing it at my end. I did the following

1. I have used Trifilar coil [as it was readily available - I have made this for page46 diagram]. It is 23 AWG 450 turns. The size of spool is 4 inch long and inner pipe is 1/2 inch diameter. The core is made using welding electrodes.

2. I have used 3 nos 180 Ohm 2 Watt resistor in prallel at one end of trigger coil. So the total value of these resistor was around 60 Ohms.

3. I have used 3 Nos 1n4007 Diodes along with each transistor.

4. Insatalled the Ampere meter at input side. The power is supplied through 240-12volts 3.5 Amps SMPS power supply.

When I have started the circuit then the coil has not started oscillating the there was no current draw. However the magnetic field were observed at the core. So as mentioned in your old post, I have waved neo magnet around the core to make it oscillate but there was no improvement.

After that I have placed one 100 ohm 2 Watt resistor between one transistors collector and base. Immdiately after that the coil started oscillating and circuit was drawing 1.9 Amps. But on running the circuit for around 10 minute the 100 ohm resistor was hot and the 3 Nos 180 ohm resistors [on trigger coil] was little warm. However the battery voltage suddenly rised from 11.69 volts to 12.03 volts and i could see the 'cold boiling' inside the battery.

But how to run this circuit without any resistor between collector and base of transistor i.e. how to make it self start without resistor. Also please let me know, if i want to place a resistor between collector and base of each transistor then what should be value for the same and wattage.

Thanks in advance.

Regards

Praveen