Solid State Bedini

[Shamus]

If I were the betting kind, I would bet that those spikes will diminish as the batteries are conditioned. Right now I'm in the process of trying to revive a 17Ah gel cell and I've got neons lit up like Xmas trees. If the battery can't take it, it has to go somewhere...

[dambit]

Hi Guys,

I have attached a pic of the h wave in the dvd. Feel free to remove it if I'm not supposed to post it. (there everyehere on the net anyway)

I have also attached a pic of mine Jetijs running on 24 volts (ss). Now I understand that solid state will give a different wave, so I guess my question is, does the shape of the wave matter or is it just the spike that's important?

I have also attached a pic of the wave I got when I accidently put one of my old setups into solid state while taking a measurement with a multimeter. I was not able to reproduce the condition after I changed the setup. It was a single bifilar coil running on 12V

Cheers,

Steve.

[Aaron]

self running oscillator

This isn't exact, BUT

This is my 2000 turn trifilar self-oscillating

WITHOUT a battery or cap on the output.

AND

WITHOUT a battery or cap on the input

AND

WITHOUT any earth rod or antenna connected to any part of the circuit

The transistor switches by itself

[Jetijs]

Ren, the wavform I posted is from a setup without any cap pulser setup, just many basic SS outputs go into the battery in parellel. John Bedini somewhere in the dvd said that if you got enough coils and spikes, you don't even need a cap pulser setup.

[theremart]

Re: 24v..

Hi Guys,

I have attached a pic of the h wave in the dvd. Feel free to remove it if I'm not supposed to post it. (there everyehere on the net anyway)

I have also attached a pic of mine Jetijs running on 24 volts (ss). Now I understand that solid state will give a different wave, so I guess my question is, does the shape of the wave matter or is it just the spike that's important?

I have also attached a pic of the wave I got when I accidently put one of my old setups into solid state while taking a measurement with a multimeter. I was not able to reproduce the condition after I changed the setup. It was a single bifilar coil running on 12V

Cheers,

Steve.

Some of the things you must consider when looking at the h wave form on the video is that is a very special configuration generating that "h" wave. He has a magnet configuration that he was unwilling to share, as well he is using special triggering, and 10 Amps of power to generate that wave.

So our configuration may not match the big machine's because we don't have all the parts of the puzzle. As well, maybe his scope is far more accurate than ours for showing the detail of the spike.

Just some thoughts... But I do feel in the dark as to know what target is... you sorta have to feel around and do the trial and error.

[theremart]

Caps / spikes

Dambit, I think you may be reffering to the cap pulsers waveform, as seen in the FEG book. The "H" wave form is the waveform the coil produces. The cap pulser waveform looks a little different. Specify which waveform you are reffering to.

Jet, does the SS setup you have there charge like the SG? Or is it collected into a cap before it returns to the battery?

Thats still quite a spike with the battery attached, my spike almost disappears when the charging battery is attached... YOu may be right about it being related to the condition of the battery. Interesting to see if the spike changes at all as your batteries get better

I bet if we used different types of caps we would get different types of spikes. The internal resistance of batteries are very different from one another.

I was thinking the big advantage of using the caps is that you do not have to use an inverter when swapping from the charging side to the primary..

Love this conversation

[Jetijs]

Didn't John say that he uses some big neo magnets glued together on his 12pole machine? Sounds like a superpole configuration that Kevin and Aaron posted on another thread where two magnet N poles are glued together pressing against each other and what comes out from the sides is a scalar N pole. Maybe he uses this config to get a wave like that, but that is just a speculation

[theremart]

RE: Without

This isn't exact, BUT

This is my 2000 turn trifilar self-oscillating
WITHOUT a battery or cap on the output.
WITHOUT a battery or cap on the input
WITHOUT any earth rod or antenna connected to any part of the circuit
The transistor switches by itself

Err... would not the circuit have a ground from the scope, and the coil act as an inductor?

I have notice a similar wave if I don't have ground hooked up to the circuit running normally.

Thanks for sharing.

[Sephiroth]

Some of the things you must consider when looking at the h wave form on the video is that is a very special configuration generating that "h" wave. He has a magnet configuration that he was unwilling to share, as well he is using special triggering, and 10 Amps of power to generate that wave.

So our configuration may not match the big machine's because we don't have all the parts of the puzzle. As well, maybe his scope is far more accurate than ours for showing the detail of the spike.

Just some thoughts... But I do feel in the dark as to know what target is... you sorta have to feel around and do the trial and error.

hi mart,

from what I remember from the dvd it looked like he used the original superpole configuration, though he did say he made the magnets himself

and since we are talking about the voltage spike I'll just throw this in there will be a significant spike if you are using recovery coils with a single diode instead of a bridge rectifier. I believe that it occurs because when the coil energizes voltage is induced in the recovery coil in the opposite polarity to the supplied voltage but current is blocked by the charging diode so the recovery coil acts as a capacitor. negative charge builds up at the top of the recovery coil, and positive charge at the bottom. Then when the field collapses there is nothing seperating these charges and so they crash through the recovery coil and this appears a voltage spike in the primary coil.


This may be an improvement over the ssg configuration as it results in a sharper gradient when the coil discharges.

the spike may also be present with a bridge rectifier on the recovery coil since the inductance of the recovery coil will resist the change of polarity and so the collapsing field will create a spike in the primary before the current in the recovery has changed direction.

[dambit]

I don't think they would be neos, JB has always said that neos are too powerful and they saturate the core.. I had a close look at the latest dvd and the colour of them suggests that they are ceramic. Could always be wrong though. I thought that it just had a common trigger. One wind triggering all of the circuits.

I would like to get my hands on one of those digital scopes. Might rent one for a day or so just to compare.

P.S. It's been a few years since he built that machine and I'm sure he has much better designs now, so maybe if we ask nice he will elaborate a bit more on its design. You never know.

[Aaron]

self oscillator

Err... would not the circuit have a ground from the scope, and the coil act as an inductor?

I have notice a similar wave if I don't have ground hooked up to the circuit running normally.

Thanks for sharing.

The ground from the scope is actually connected to the circuit. It is actually doing what you see in that shot. It isn't goofy stuff from the scope.

[Joit]

The other thing I notice is that the back end batteries on those drawings don't have any diodes to prevent backflow from one battery leaking into its paralleled neighbor. This would imply that the batteries are well matched to each other and in similar condition. So much to think about.

Shamus there is an updatet Circuit, where the there are Diodes for each charging Batt as well.
http://peswiki.com/images/0/02/UPDATED_CIRCUIT.JPG
I did the mistake, that i didnt put it in, it did mess it up a bit

Aaron maybe your Coils are starting to selfoscillate, there is enough Wire to store Energie, and build up a Magnetfield that you get a resonant Circuit.
Just because the Coils are pretty same Size, it maybe stay still at the same Level.

Maybe you change the Size from one, that it comes into an other Resonance and swing up.
That is, what i try often to reach, that one Coil can drive the 2nd, but i cant find the right Ratio for both.
Maybe, maybe its the Golden Cut with 1:1,61 Ratio.

[Aaron]

self oscillating transistor

Hi Joit,

The transistor hooked to his coil, even with the diodes and resistors disconnected...self oscillates.

It is one of two things.

It is an antenna for the 60hz emissions from around it and that has enough to kick it off and on...I did not measure the frequency but if it is 60hz, that is probably it...if it is anything other than 60hz...

It is an antenna and is triggered by gravity potential...

Old germanium transistors were known to practically trigger themselves.

Because of this, it is easy to have an earth battery switch at high frequency for nothing and relays aren't necessary.

[Joit]

Well, if thats it, good.
But i can figure, that it can come from the Iron core too, what still has 180 Mhz, when you use one.

Something strainge happend to me last Days, as i played around with my Bedini coil motor.
I did let it run, stopped it, disconnected all cables from the Source and Transistor,
and still got a little Spark, as i disconnected the the Cables from the Coil and brought them together.
So there was still Power in there, even, when there was nothing else connected.
Btw, my Coils looks some different, it are zwo Pancakes beside with an Iron Core, but not to much Wire on it, maybe 30m of 0.2mm and 20m of 0.4mm.

[Aaron]

entrainment

Also, the effect is stronger when it is measured in the same spot that is has been running for a long time..."aetheric entrainment"