Bedini School Boy Motor

[rickfriedrich]

This is my latest Self-runner setup with full pictures and video. Exhaustive details. Don't ask for any more. If you ask I know you didn't read all the details. Don't ask to see it as it WAS only intended for encouragement. The time has come to show this all, and John has promised to show this even easier.

Directory:Bedini SG:Self-Runner - PESWiki

Directory:Bedini SG:Self-runneretails - PESWiki

second self-runner

Directory:Bedini SG:Self-runner:Window - PESWiki

Please see what you think of the pages and tell anyone you want.


Let the games begin. It is all over now.

[Aaron]

Bedini School Boy Motor

Here is the thread for discussion on the Bedini "School Boy" motor. Reported as self-running, etc...

[Aaron]

extra coil

Congrads Rick! Good work buddy, I'm glad you're doing what you're doing and I'm impressed with what you found.

Besides myself, you're the second person to find out what I discovered about 7 years ago. I was recovering power from the SG using a coreless coil that was wrapped around a roller skate wheel It could light bulbs, led's, charge caps, go back to batts, etc...

I even showed it to John with one application of using it to power an led that I used an optical tachometer to read the rpm. The thing about it is...you can can get even more power from that coil in a different location and with different geometry that I have never shared with anyone. I only mention this because you're brave enough to post this stuff

I cold take my "recovery coil" and get power from the magnets or place it elsewhere and make power from it WITHOUT THE MAGNETS.

Anyway, keep up the good work and feel free to post anything here in this thread about the School Boy motor.

I didn't want to just copy and paste stuff from the Peswiki site so if you feel like it, it would be great if you could post the same info here and if not, that's cool too.

[linesrg]

konehead's spatter coils

Aaron/ Rick and others,

Why does this remind of such things as konehead's spatter coils and collecting energy from both the near and far from radiant energy devices?

I'll need to go back and look at this stuff again.

Regards

Richard

P.S. Very good work by the way Rick.

[Aaron]

near and distant recovery

Hi Richard,

Look at this post by Mario:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa....html#post2407

Interesting results that are definitely from near...wrapped on the same
coil but not being powered by the transistor, just recovering extra of what is already there and produced by just one transistor.

On Rick's motor, the alternative magnets aren't necessary. I believe he is doing that because you don't want north both hitting both sides of the coil on the inside that is wrapped around the whole wheel.

All you have to do is leave all the North magnets and then just bend one end of the coil on the other side upwards enough so that it will be in between two north magnets. He is probably getting more from that coil with the N/S/N/S, but I never found it necessary. Even on a little rollers skate motor putting that coil wrapped around it through a bridge and back to the battery made the battery voltage go up appearing to be a self runner but on that particular experiment, I found the voltage was very fluffy and didn't make real power very good. Looked good on the meter though.

Running 24 hours is ok but I'd like to see it run for a whole week and keep it self charged up.

[Aaron]

school girl window

School girl roller skate motor



small "window coil"



roller skate motor with window coil



roller skate motor with window coil powering LED



this is one of the old coils and configurations from about 7-8 years ago using a small coil surrounding the wheel and resting on the axle. Everything else is boxed up and this is all I have besides some bike wheel stuff and trifilar oscillator circuits.

Anyway, I'm posting this just for the concept that a coil like this can be used to power an LED like in the original roller skate wheel motor but obviously not a pickup coil with a core and this doesn't cause any drag that I can notice.

The coil can be wound one way to power the LED on the power pulse or wound the other way to catch the collapsed pulse. Years ago I thought it was cool to be able to power the coil without the transistor, just connect the coil straight to the battery on both ends and the LED wouldn't light up. Then, as soon as I disconnected the battery, the light would light up. That taught me long ago that you can get work from the system when turning it off! No mystery to everyone here but that made a deep impression on me.

Looking at this coil, one may think the magnets on the rotor are what are inducing the current in the coil to light the bulb and it CAN be from that but isn't necessarily so.

This video is just the plain motor running as normal on a 12v battery.
http://www.esmhome.org/library/john-...schoolgirl.wmv
22 seconds 2.82MB WMV video format

This video shows that the coil is powering the LED with the induced current from the magnets spinning on the rotor. I disconnect the battery and the LED still lights proving that the magnets on the rotor are doing it.
http://www.esmhome.org/library/john-...irlwindow1.wmv
19 seconds 2.47MB WMV video format

This vid shows that the coil powering the LED will only power the LED when there is battery power because the light goes out when I disconnect the battery and will only light it when the power is on.
http://www.esmhome.org/library/john-...irlwindow2.wmv
15 seconds 2.08MB wmv video format

Having the coil not produce power from the magnets on the rotor but from the electromagnetic coil will cause much higher voltage from that coil than with just the magnets - or you can get a combination of both. It can charge small caps higher than the battery voltage. I had that setup charging the input battery without any timing system, just the cap was going to the battery through the diode. The input battery would climb but on that setup the input battery voltage climbed but wound up getting to be pretty fluffy and wouldn't power a load very well after a while but on the meter the voltage did go up. Anyway, just a simple thing to try and results can be had with a smaller scaled system.




This

[Aaron]

School Girl window coil led from distance

It should be obvious where the real strong power in this coils come from in the SG and it is not the magnets. The magnet induction in this coil is weak compared to this.



video of example

http://www.esmhome.org/library/john-...eddistance.wmv
18 seconds 2.24MB wmv video file

[Aaron]

"window coil"

On Rick's motor, the alternative magnets aren't necessary. I believe he is doing that because you don't want north both hitting both sides of the coil on the inside that is wrapped around the whole wheel.

This is my misunderstanding about that "window" coil around the wheel. It wasn't being used but Rick said it was getting 5 v from it. In his diagram, he has 16 magnets. That means the same poles are hitting that coil on both sides. I think that tries to negate each other out and only gives him 5 volts from it. His diagram says it could be used to charge another battery with 5 volts? Wouldn't it make sense for the magnet # around the wheel to be divisible by 3 since that would make N and S on opposite sides of the coil to get more from that window coil?

Even the small one on the roller skate motor, from the magnets alone, there isn't much voltage but it is much higher having the regular coil's magnetic field go through it to cause it to generate the power. I don't know if it really takes away from what is going back to the coil or if it is capturing extra coming back (if it is wrapped to be powered on the collapse instead of the power on pulse).

[Aaron]

Bedini SG self runner plan

This is the variation of Ricks duplication attempt I'm going to make since I already have just about everything to make it.

In Rick's schematic, I don't see why the charging battery needs to be disconnected. It 'may' capture a little wee pulse from the magnets while
the primary is disconnected as long as it stays connected.

In my schematic, I'm only going to disconnect the primary - AND I'm going
to keep the recovery bridge + connected to the + on the primary and
instead, I'm going to connect the - of the bridge to the primary when the
primary battery's - disconnected from the rest of the circuit.

About 6 years ago when I had a bicycle wheel SG running in the back
of my workplace, I had 2 trifillars and 1 of them, I used as a recovery coil.
I got the idea from John's original skate wheel schematic showing a
recovery coil. I pulsed it to a cap and discharged with mechanical switch
with 1:1 ratio and also with a pulley. The discharge switch I used is
virtually identical to what Rick F is using now but mine was more simpler and I could manipulate the copper tabs to flick the switch slower or faster
on each rotation. The switch disconnected the primary and at that moment
it would discharge the cap to the primary. The volts went up on this and
it just worked so so but I proved the concept to myself. I also tried it
without the cap and that worked so so for me too.

At that moment, I messed with the circuit and suddenly thought I
discovered some cosmic energy source when my coil was humming and
a cap bank of over 100,000uf was charging up to 60 volts in just a few
seconds. Basically, discovered the self-oscillating effect...my resistance
was set too high at the base plus having 2000 turns per wire on my
trifilar helped.

Anyway, I tried many variations of these things but the oscillating effect
6 years ago really got me on that track. I found several variations that
made my roller skate motor's primary climb in voltage, but after a while
the voltage was higher but the rpm's got slower and slower. Just like it
was just a fluffy charge that wouldn't power a real load...like itself.

It is possible Ricks method of disconnecting the charging batt will give
better results but only experimentation will tell.

That switch can be put on axle for 1:1 rotation or on pulley system
so more turns per discharge in case wheel is smaller diameter.

You can do this with a roller skate wheel if your switch pulley is big enough
to let the wheel go round plenty to charge the coil before discharging.

Also, I believe it can still be monopole with North facing out from the magnets
around rotor. John mentioned that the S give extra window for the discharge
but with this mechanical switch that has been there since the 1984 book,
it can be whatever window you want regardless of magnet orientation or spacing.

This schematic is what I'm going to do next:

[Aaron]

Bedini's Magneto Energizer

THE YEAR IS 1984

After looking at what Tom Bearden did in the book Electromagnetics part 4, This is what I did in 1984 to make the first model 2. I knew that it must be a switching and impedance problem, I also knew allot about pulse charging systems and what they did to the lead acid storage batteries. I also knew about charging batteries with huge Capacitor Banks. I was good at this because of the Amplifiers we were building at the time. You run into all kinds of Impedance problems and Phasing, so this was a piece of cake.

I also knew about Mass weight and what flywheels did and how they stored energy. I figured that the generator could not be the normal kind because they were saying the word ENERGIZER which really means MAGNETO, but this did not answer the question of where the current came from, the CAPACITOR was the answer.

The MAGNETO would charge this very fast and to High Voltages some times 10 times the battery voltage. When the machine first ran it would explode the batteries if they were bad, so I put the switch S1 to control it. When the battery would get low I would switch S1 to charge the battery back up. This was 18 years ago with what we have today this machine can be made real easy if you tinker with it and get it set right.

The ENERGIZER How did I come up with this one you see in the picture. My uncle was a old time mechanic who was a real tinker, he use to tell me of the old lighting circuits just after the horse and carriage days and things that people would never believe, this is where My MAGNETO comes from.

I told Jim Watson how to do this, I never thought that he would build a Machine that big but He did and that's the story of this machine. Jim got paid off I got pushed agents the wall and told to buy gasoline the rest of My life but once you see something like this you never give up.




In 1984 we could not just go down the street and by switching controllers, we just had to make are own from whatever parts we could find there were no Moss Fets no IBGT's just BI-Polar Transistors and some very good ones, but the easiest to do was a switched commutator as shown in the drawing which developed the most power with out loss. This machine worked the same way described in Gabriel Krons statements talking about the "OPEN and CLOSED" paths.

This brings us to Kron's analogy said a different way.

When the Generator (MAGNETO)current becomes zero the circuit is self-supporting as the negative resistance of the circuit just supply the energy consumed by the positive resistance in the Capacitor.When the Motor current is positive the circuit draws energy from the Battery, and when the current is negative the Capacitor circuit pumps back energy into the source(Battery) this is known as” open-paths” and “closed-paths”. That discovery of open-paths established a second rectangular transformation matrix... into the Capacitor which created 'lamellar' currents. This circuit uses positive resistance in the Motor by an inductance and a negative resistance by a Capacitor bank collecting charge from the Magneto.

What is it that I'm really saying?. I'm saying once the machine starts and is pulsed buy the controller, or commutator there is a switching taking place between the motor and the magneto using a capacitor that is being charged by the magneto in the OPEN path, while the motor is drawing a momentary current in a CLOSED path the two do not interfere with each other. So the magneto is something STATIC like a lighting bolt, just a CHARGE no real current. This is where the TRANSFORMATION takes place from STATIC to real usable current for discharge across the battery. The switching takes place and the capacitor discharges across the storage battery, but only to the level of the storage battery, so the level of the MAGNETO must be 5 times the battery voltage , the capacitor is now at the level of the storage battery and the process starts all over. Now you have KRON'S open and closed path system with no interacting grounds. If the battery is in good shape the impedance is around .0023 Ohms. If this is done fast enough and correct you will get a constant high current flowing to the battery, what the motor is using for power is not worth talking about. The system here can be done many ways this is just one.

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The above is from John Bedini's page here:
The Year is 1984

Personally, I believe that is the best explanation for self running SG on the internet or any self running electrical system for that matter. Even if a machine is self running and appears the loop is closed, it is pseudo closed because it still never really is closed.

[Aaron]

sg switch

switch based on my drawing low budget low tech style
empty cd rom case fit over shaft.

copper strips taped to case

screw insulated with tape

left brush for the emitter negative connection
middle brush common for emitter and discharge switch
right brush only for discharge switch





video clip closeup of switch action

Bedini SG switch video

[Aaron]

Bedini SG Self Runner

5 video clip compilation of Rick Friedrich's videos showing his self-running SG bike wheel energizer. Charges the input batter while charging a secondary battery.

http://www.esmhome.org/library/john-...elf-runner.wmv
20 minutes
18.2 MB
wmv video format

[LutherG]

Alternative Coil Geometry

Hello Aaron,

You wrote:

I even showed it to John with one application of using it to power an led that I used an optical tachometer to read the rpm. The thing about it is...you can can get even more power from that coil in a different location and with different geometry that I have never shared with anyone. I only mention this because you're brave enough to post this stuff

Would you please reconsider sharing this different geometry?

Thanks and best regards,

Luther

[Aaron]

geometry

Hi Luther,

I won't post any details on this but will tell you that there is something that is more practical with possibly more benefits that I will post once testing is complete. Everyone is going to love it I think and it does have to do with geometry.

[ren]

Exciting stuff guys. I am getting geared up to replicate this self runner. Aaron, I was looking at some schematics of Bedinis and the cap pulsing trifilar interested me. The trigger and power coil arent feeding through the diode to a secondary, basically because all your potential is being captured on the third winding. Would a ssg setup which charges the secondary off collector still be as beneficial in a trifilar cap setup? Or am I better off just capturing off the third winding.

Basically, can I run both off the same coil? Or should the cap/bridge pulser be a separate coil?

Posting some pics soon, taken my time cutting a acrylic rotor, its a pain to center but it will look good when finished!